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9 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Nope and with their OL, running game and Wentz’s familiarity with him the Colts looks to be a top 2-3 team in the AFC. 

Fantasy wise Wentz is now very intriguing. 

I wouldn't go that far just yet, but given their cap situation in this market I think this team will get better next month.

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I'm not sure they would draft a QB, but I also think that if drafting Hurts ruined Wentz's confidence, that doesn't say much for Wentz's mental strength.  I also think Hurts looked good and it wouldn'

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I think he instantly becomes a top 32 QB.

Damn that rename was fast. Didn't have time to bug Faust!

 

If Wentz can rebound mentally and mechanically, he's going to have some fantastic tools at his disposal. Pittman Jr., TY Hilton, and whomever survives the 3rd WR Rondo along with Taylor, Hines and a much better O-line certainly sets him up for success + he has his old coaches with him. Unless he's suddenly spooked by Jacoby Brissett being his backup, things are definitely looking up for him.

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Huge boom to Wentz's value....best set up he could have gone....I saw him being ranked in the late 20s in dynasty before the trade....this has to move him up quite a bit....

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Just now, foxco said:

I think he instantly becomes a top 32 QB. ;)

yeah I hear ya. I have him around 20. Even if he hits, he's not really likely to crack the top 10 with how many good young dyansty qbs there are.

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1 minute ago, IHEARTFF said:

yeah I hear ya. I have him around 20. Even if he hits, he's not really likely to crack the top 10 with how many good young dyansty qbs there are.

I believe he could be an upgrade to Phillip Rivers.

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51 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

yeah I hear ya. I have him around 20. Even if he hits, he's not really likely to crack the top 10 with how many good young dyansty qbs there are.

He was a top 10 dynasty QB just last preseason in most rankings....with this new set up Id probably put him around 15-17 with upside if that O gels.....could be a solid buy low opportunity.  

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Wait, so the Colts offered 2x second round picks, and the Eagles said no, we'd prefer a 2nd and a 3rd? :lol: 

Probably the best possible landing spot for Wentz - great defense, good OL, good RB, and a bevy of talented/potentially talented receivers. Now the only question remains is whether he's fixable.  

If he is, this is a bargain for the Colts. 

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1 minute ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Wait, so the Colts offered 2x second round picks, and the Eagles said no, we'd prefer a 2nd and a 3rd? :lol: 

Probably the best possible landing spot for Wentz - great defense, good OL, good RB, and a bevy of talented/potentially talented receivers. Now the only question remains is whether he's fixable.  

If he is, this is a bargain for the Colts. 

I think the Eagles are counting on that pick being a 1st, not a 2nd.  Remember, it is a conditional 2nd.

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Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports the Bears never made a trade offer for Carson Wentz.

The Bears were certainly doing their homework on Wentz and likely were on the phone with Eagles GM Howie Roseman, but things never fully escalated. Breer reports the Colts were the only team actually in the mix for Wentz, who was traded for a 2021 third-round pick and a 2022 second-round pick that could turn into a first-rounder if Wentz plays more than 75% of the Colts' snaps next season. Chicago still has a major hole to fill at quarterback, and GM Ryan Pace doesn't have the luxury of waiting to find his guy next offseason. Expect the Bears to turn to the Marcus Mariota, Cam Newton, and Teddy Bridgewater tier of quarterbacks over the next month.

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Carson Wentz

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SOURCE: Albert Breer on Twitter

Feb 18, 2021, 1:23 PM ET

 

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On 2/19/2021 at 7:08 AM, AJF07 said:

 

2020 pass protection rank (ESPN's pass block win rate):

11. Eagles

12. Colts

 

I think this is often overlooked - so many blame O Line woes for Wentz’ issues last year but it’s simply not the case.

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If there is any chance Wentz can turn it around, I feel like he landed in the exact right situation for success, with Frank Reich, a strong running game and quality receiving options.  Wentz will not be asked to carry the team, and if injuries have not robbed him of the abilities we saw earlier in his career, there is good reason to be excited about Wentz's future.  The mechanical issues can be fixed.  Not long ago, Wentz was seen as a top 10 QB in the league, and it is not unthinkable that he could return to that kind of prominence.  The dynasty buy-low window on Wentz may be closing, and of course it comes with the risk that what we saw from Wentz in 2020 is who he now is, but it may be worth inquiring into him in your dynasty leagues.  Wentz is set up to be a good QB2 option with QB1 upside.

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NBC Sports' Peter King reports many in the Eagles organization believed Carson Wentz "couldn't handle hard coaching" and was coddled in his final years in Philadelphia. 

King said Wentz's persistent clashing with former offensive coordinator Mike Groh, followed by the team firing Groh, created widespread perception that the quarterback was unable to take constructive criticism. Wentz's relationship with Philadelphia coaches -- including former head coach Doug Pederson -- steadily eroded after Frank Reich left for Indianapolis and ex-QBs coach John DeFilippo parted ways with the Eagles, according to King. Wentz reportedly didn't connect with many teammates in Philadelphia and could be "stubborn" with offensive coaches devising game plans. The team drafting Jalen Hurts in the 2020 NFL Draft "completely blindsided" Wentz, per King, further damaging his relationship with coaches team officials. It would seem Reich, Wentz's new head coach in Indianapolis, has more to handle than just improving Wentz's mechanics and decision making. 

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SOURCE: ProFootballTalk.com 

Feb 22, 2021, 9:22 AM ET

 

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On 2/19/2021 at 5:08 AM, AJF07 said:

 

2020 pass protection rank (ESPN's pass block win rate):

11. Eagles

12. Colts

 

Seems suspect, Eagles lost 2 starters before the season started and trotted out 11 different guys during the year. PFF rated the Colts 7th overall and the Eagles 19th. Still pretty decent rating for the Eagles given all that lineup shuffling.

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While it will no longer be Nick Sirianni’s job to fix Carson Wentz, this is interesting.


Can Philadelphia Eagles coach Nick Sirianni fix Carson Wentz? (January 27)

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Just how broken is Wentz?

Greg Cosell, senior producer at NFL Films and executive producer/analyst for the NFL Matchup show, believes Wentz's mechanics have become so out of whack coaches "need to start from scratch."

"They need to start literally with taking the snap, his drop, his plant, how he delivers a football," Cosell said.

Wentz is what Cosell describes as a "long strider." He has a wide base when he throws, something that became more pronounced during his down 2020 season. When you overstride and don't have a compact delivery, Cosell explained, you have to rush your arm to catch up, leading to inaccuracy, typically in the form of sailing balls. Wentz had the highest off-target percentage in the NFL last season at 23.6%, according to ESPN Stats & Information. In other words, almost a quarter of his throws were off the mark.

"That's one of his main fundamental issues that needs to be cleaned up. That is fixable. Anything from the waist down is fixable," Cosell said. "You're not going to change his delivery. He's never going to throw it like [Green Bay's] Aaron Rodgers or [Kansas City's] Patrick Mahomes in terms of just snapping it off. That's not the way he throws a ball. But that's OK, we've seen him have great success throwing the ball the way he throws it. But the lower half needs to be really fixed and worked on every single day."

Then there are the hesitancy issues. Wentz was often reluctant to "turn the ball loose to receivers who were open within the structure of the play design," as Cosell put it. "He was not seeing the field particularly well."

That can be traced back to Wentz's lack of confidence in the system, and eventually, himself.

 

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He couldn't have landed in a better situation.  Yes, their WRs aren't exactly proven, but the running game, OL, and GM are top notch.  I'm not 100% sold on Reich due to some bonehead coaching last year, but in general he is well thought of.

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Zach Hicks @ZacHicks2

My subject of study tonight is Carson Wentz's mechanics and the slow decline of them over the years. 

His issue to me is more lower half than upper half. He has major issues with syncing his two halves, his front foot alignment, and setting the hallway with his back foot.

https://twitter.com/zachhicks2/status/1403144610751389698?s=21
 

The rest of the Twitter thread is worth checking out.

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