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6 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

Perhaps some shortage, but the midwest feeds the world and we don't have that much poverty as California.  The cost of the aid to the illegal immigrants has to be outrageous. 

The Central Valley alone contains the top 4 counties in the US in Agricultural Sales (Fresno, Tulare, Kern, and Merced).  The Valley alone produces over 8% of the nation's agriculture on less than 1% of the nation's farmable land.

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38 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

I just looked it up and it was once -63 degrees in Minnesota. No thank you. 

Yeah I lived there for eight years. I experienced -40. 4-5 months of the year are brutally cold. 

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

Voting rights are one of the main hot topics of the day, especially with the administration trying unsuccessfully to create a closed-door “voter fraud” committee that it then disbanded.

Speaking of voter fraud, I forget if I linked this yesterday:

ICE and DOJ decide to look into 8 years worth of voting records in NC

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Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Department of Justice have gotten a court order for North Carolina to turn over eight years of voter registration records from the state.

The North Carolina board of elections made the subpoena public as part of the materials for a public meeting it is holding Friday, where the request will be considered.


There is little context provided for the request, which is only listed by the board as "Consideration of subpoenas issued by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement via the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of North Carolina."


The subpoena asks the state records office to provide "any and all voter registration applications and/or other documents, as identified below, that were submitted to, filed by, received by, or maintained by the North Carolina State Board of Elections from January 1, 2010, through August 30, 2018, within any of the counties in North Carolina."


The list of documents include voter registration forms, absentee ballots, early voting application forms, provisional voting forms, "Admission or Denial of Non-Citizen Return" forms and voter cancellation or revocation forms.

A separate subpoena issued to Pitt County requests poll books, voting records, voting authorization documents and "executed official ballots," including absentees, from August 30, 2013 through August 30, 2018.

A federal law enforcement official confirmed the request is related to indictments announced in late August, when the Department of Justice and ICE announced they had charged 19 foreign nationals with voting illegally.


That press release noted, "The indictments follow an investigation by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) as part of a newly created Document and Benefit Fraud Task Force (DBFTF) in the Eastern District of North Carolina."

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Harris knows something, obviously. And he knows she knows. Wow was he squirming. Totally at a loss, because if he lies he's screwed but if he tells the truth she'll ask about the contents of the conversation...which she may also know. 

The way she kept pounding on the name of the firm makes it seem like she knows he talked to a name partner about the Mueller investigation. Otherwise he could easily weasel out using the excuse he tried--that he can't know who does and doesn't work there. The confidence and bluntness she displayed there makes it seem like that defense won't work. I saw someone reference the saying "lawyers don't ask questions they don't know the answers to" and that seems to be the case here. 

I'm sure a leak will be forthcoming. 

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5 hours ago, BigSteelThrill said:

What a disgusting piece of crap.

If she knows the name of someone who he has supposedly talked to at that firm regarding the Muller investigation, then why wouldn't she ask the question, "Have you ever talked to 'enter name here" about the Muller investigation?".  Now that is a "simple question".  Bad questioning on Harris' part. 

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

If she knows the name of someone who he has supposedly talked to at that firm regarding the Muller investigation, then why wouldn't she ask the question, "Have you ever talked to 'enter name here" about the Muller investigation?".  Now that is a "simple question".  Bad questioning on Harris' part. 

It really wasn't...he knows who he talked to but does not want to answer.  The questioning was clear and perfect and telling that he couldn't answer.  Not a good look for a guy with questions already surrounding whether he lied in his initial confirmation.

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4 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Harris knows something, obviously. And he knows she knows. Wow was he squirming. Totally at a loss, because if he lies he's screwed but if he tells the truth she'll ask about the contents of the conversation...which she may also know. 

The way she kept pounding on the name of the firm makes it seem like she knows he talked to a name partner about the Mueller investigation. Otherwise he could easily weasel out using the excuse he tried--that he can't know who does and doesn't work there. The confidence and bluntness she displayed there makes it seem like that defense won't work. I saw someone reference the saying "lawyers don't ask questions they don't know the answers to" and that seems to be the case here. 

I'm sure a leak will be forthcoming. 

Yeah.  Another shoe dropping here in 4-3-2...

She knew she was holding the nuts and he knew he should fold but couldn't bring himself to do it.

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8 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

I just looked it up and it was once -63 degrees in Minnesota. No thank you. 

January averages -

The average temp in January in Minnesota is 15.6 degrees. 

Average high temperature:23.7°F

Average low temperature:7.5°F

Average temperature:15.6°F

Average Precipitation:0.91 inch

Average snowfall:12 inch

 

Feb averages -

Average high - 29

Average low - 13

Average precip - 0.79

Average days with precip - 7

Average snowfall in inches - 8

 

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8 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

It really wasn't...he knows who he talked to but does not want to answer.  The questioning was clear and perfect and telling that he couldn't answer.  Not a good look for a guy with questions already surrounding whether he lied in his initial confirmation.

Why didn't she just say, "Have you ever talked to so-and-so about the Muller investigation"?  Not rocket science, but why she wouldn't do that is very telling on her part, unless she is just fishing.

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2 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

January averages -

The average temp in January in Minnesota is 15.6 degrees. 

Average high temperature:23.7°F

Average low temperature:7.5°F

Average temperature:15.6°F

Average Precipitation:0.91 inch

Average snowfall:12 inch

 

Feb averages -

Average high - 29

Average low - 13

Average precip - 0.79

Average days with precip - 7

Average snowfall in inches - 8

 

Then the Vikes should play in an outdoor stadium, but I digress.

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3 hours ago, Punxsutawney Phil said:

The positive is it doesn't appear he will be trying to flip Roe vs. Wade.

Didn't he attempt to delay an abortion of a young woman who jumped through all the hoops to get one? The strategy for Rs is to not make abortion illegal, but to make it too challenging to get. Considering those that seek these procedures are commonly vulnerable young woman without resources, slowing down this process makes them effectively illegal. This is not new.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

Why didn't she just say, "Have you evey talked to so-and-so about the Muller investigation"?  Not rocket science, but why she wouldn't do that is very telling on her part.

Because maybe he talked to multiple people?

Why couldn't he just answer the question as asked?  Do you really think he didn't recall who he had spoken to?

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4 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

Why didn't she just say, "Have you every talked to so-and-so about the Muller investigation"?  Not rocket science, but why she wouldn't do that is very telling on her part.

Eh KH has a document, Kavanaugh knows that. The amazingly dumb thing is that when she produces it it’s going to be abundantly clear it’s not some exchange with a random nobody but someone he obviously knew was at Kasowitz. And yet he squirmed like a 5th grader at the principle’s office anyway.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Because maybe he talked to multiple people?

Why couldn't he just answer the question as asked?  Do you really think he didn't recall who he had spoken to?

I wouldn't expect him to know the names of every person in every law firm in DC.  If she wasn't fishing, then just ask, "Have you ever talked to so-and-so".....period.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

I wouldn't expect him to know the names of every person in every law firm in DC.  If she wasn't fishing, then just ask, "Have you ever talked to so-and-so".....period.

I would expect someone nominated to the highest court in the land to know he was likely talking to a partner or higher up at such firm (likely what Harris has).

Defending that answering and complaining about the question is ridiculous but expected from the defend at all costs crowd.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

I wouldn't expect him to know the names of every person in every law firm in DC.  If she wasn't fishing, then just ask, "Have you ever talked to so-and-so".....period.

He just needs to know the names of the people had spoke with regarding the Mueller investigation. Considering he lead off "with other judges" the list should be short enough for a legal genius to recall, certainly a guy that is 100% plugged into the legal community of Washington DC. But you know all of this. It would be great if people would stop the intellectual dishonesty on this forum.

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3 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Honestly, I don't get this.  I have no reason to believe he's lying.  Harris comes off terribly, in my opinion.  

All she did was ask a question. In a respectful manner. And asked again and again because it wasn't answered.

I didn't think she came off terribly at all. I thought he did.

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6 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

Honestly, I don't get this.  I have no reason to believe he's lying.  Harris comes off terribly, in my opinion.  

Do you think the truthful answer is no? I'd like to think Harris is a prepared person who probably knows the answer she's asking. She wants him to answer it. He dodged it for 10 minutes. I guess he's lying in that he refused to answer the question, maybe you are being literal here.

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Just now, John Bender said:

All she did was ask a question. In a respectful manner. And asked again and again because it wasn't answered.

I didn't think she came off terribly at all. I thought he did.

Yup.  Fairly simple to answer, too.  "I've discussed the investigation with a number of people, just like everyone else. It's front page news all the time. I don't specifically recall discussing it with someone I know to be an employee of that firm, but it's certainly possible." Unless there's some big reveal coming, which I doubt, that would have been the end of it.  That's basically the answer he gave anyway, but he spent 5 minutes looking guilty as hell first.

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17 minutes ago, Dedfin said:

Do you think the truthful answer is no? I'd like to think Harris is a prepared person who probably knows the answer she's asking. She wants him to answer it. He dodged it for 10 minutes. I guess he's lying in that he refused to answer the question, maybe you are being literal here.

 Did it ever occur to you that he doesn't think he has, but doesn't answer without knowing the names in question?  If he had, but doesn't know they work for that firm, then that would make him a liar if he answered no.   Why don't they just ask the same question at a later date with a roster of names?   I guess that would be too logical.

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I don't think it's a simple question.  Six months ago you're at a bar and news about the Mueller investigation in on TV.  The guy next you says, "this stuff is crazy!"  You dismiss him by saying, "Sure is."  You've just had a conversation about the Mueller investigation.  Are you necessarily going to remember it?  Probably not.

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15 minutes ago, Dedfin said:

Do you think the truthful answer is no? I'd like to think Harris is a prepared person who probably knows the answer she's asking. She wants him to answer it. He dodged it for 10 minutes. I guess he's lying in that he refused to answer the question, maybe you are being literal here.

If she knows the answer then why didn't she ask, "Have you talked to ________ regarding the Muller investigation?".  She didn't because she is fishing.

Edited to add:   She may not know the name of the person in question, but may have heard from some source he talked to someone at that firm.  I guess that is a possibility.   If that is the case then she needs to provide that source.  Otherwise she is just fishing.

 

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

If she knows the answer then why didn't she ask, "Have you talked to ________ regarding the Muller investigation?".  She didn't because she is fishing.

Edited to add:   She may not know the name of the person in question, but may have heard from some source he talked to someone at that firm.  I guess that is a possibility.   If that is the case then she needs to provide that source.  Otherwise she is just fishing.

 

You're asking why she didn't make things as simple as possible for Kavanaugh, and instead chose to make him look bad and like he was hiding something?

Don't you already know the answer to that question?  It's the same reason Mike Lee jumped in about halfway through and acted like he was Kavanaugh's defense attorney instead of an objective member of a committee seeking information about a candidate for confirmation to the Supreme Court.

 

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45 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

January averages -

The average temp in January in Minnesota is 15.6 degrees. 

Average high temperature:23.7°F

Average low temperature:7.5°F

Average temperature:15.6°F

Average Precipitation:0.91 inch

Average snowfall:12 inch

 

Feb averages -

Average high - 29

Average low - 13

Average precip - 0.79

Average days with precip - 7

Average snowfall in inches - 8

 

I didn’t say it averaged -63

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6 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

If she knows the answer then why didn't she ask, "Have you talked to ________ regarding the Muller investigation?".  She didn't because she is fishing.

Edited to add:   She may not know the name of the person in question, but may have heard from some source he talked to someone at that firm.  I guess that is a possibility.   If that is the case then she needs to provide that source.  Otherwise she is just fishing.

 

I understand your point for sure as well. She might have been sort of setting him up to show maybe his integrity is not of the highest caliber. Which, is ok when it comes to a Supreme Court Justice IMO

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Just now, TobiasFunke said:

You're asking why she didn't make things as simple as possible for Kavanaugh, and instead chose to make him look bad and like he was hiding something?

Don't you already know the answer to that question?  It's the same reason Mike Lee jumped in about halfway through and acted like he was Kavanaugh's defense attorney instead of an objective member of a committee seeking information about a candidate for confirmation to the Supreme Court.

 

I would think the objective on Harris' part would be to get an answer to a question asked correctly.  Give a roster of names so he can see who she is talking about.  How hard is that?  If it is hard at that moment in time, then ask later when they have some names he can look at.

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45 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I wouldn't expect him to know the names of every person in every law firm in DC.  If she wasn't fishing, then just ask, "Have you ever talked to so-and-so".....period.

That’s not how depositions work.

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10 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

 

I don't think it's a simple question.  Six months ago you're at a bar and news about the Mueller investigation in on TV.  The guy next you says, "this stuff is crazy!"  You dismiss him by saying, "Sure is."  You've just had a conversation about the Mueller investigation.  Are you necessarily going to remember it?  Probably not.

In the context of a SCOTUS nomination hearing, do you think Kamala Harris is looking for bar conversations? I doubt that's the situation you are imagining. If Kavanaugh had a lunch meeting with 2 partners at Kazowitz, etc would you think he remembers it? I think so.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

I would think the objective on Harris' part would be to get an answer to a question asked correctly.  Give a roster of names so he can see who she is talking about.  How hard is that?  If it is hard at that moment in time, then ask later when they have some names he can look at.

Why are you playing dumb here?  She wanted to make him squirm for political reasons, even though that's not strictly speaking her role as a member of the committee.  She succeeded.  Just like Mike Lee wanted to try to bail him out while he was squirming for political reasons, even though that's not strictly speaking his role as a member of the committee, and he kind of succeeded. You get that, right?

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

I didn’t say it averaged -63

To put that in perspective, I lived in Louisville, Ky in the early 90s and we had a temp of -22.  I've lived in Minnesota for 19 years and yes, we get below 0 a few times a year most of the time, but sometimes the daytime highs stay above zero the entire winter.  One winter a few years back it only snowed twice the entire winter in southern MN.

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Just now, JohnnyU said:

To put that in perspective, I lived in Louisville, Ky in the early 90s and we had a temp of -22.  I've lived in Minnesota for 19 years and yes, we get below 0 a few times a year most of the time, but sometimes the daytime highs stay above zero the entire winter.  One winter a few years back it only snowed twice the entire winter in southern MN.

Cool. 

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9 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

I just looked it up and it was once -63 degrees in Minnesota. No thank you. 

It gets cold, no question. 

When people ask why I moved to Colorado I say to get away from Winter.  they say, but Colorado has winter.  I say not compared to Wisconsin and Minnesota where I grew up.  30 years now here in Colorado and I have never gotten out my winter jacket, and I hunt in the Mountains in the late fall and ski during the coldest months.

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2 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Why are you playing dumb here?  She wanted to make him squirm for political reasons, even though that's not strictly speaking her role as a member of the committee.  She succeeded.  Just like Mike Lee wanted to try to bail him out while he was squirming for political reasons, even though that's not strictly speaking his role as a member of the committee, and he kind of succeeded. You get that, right?

Squirm for political reasons = fishing.  Nothing to see here then unless they know of someone from that firm he talked to.

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31 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

Why are you playing dumb here?  She wanted to make him squirm for political reasons, even though that's not strictly speaking her role as a member of the committee.  She succeeded.  Just like Mike Lee wanted to try to bail him out while he was squirming for political reasons, even though that's not strictly speaking his role as a member of the committee, and he kind of succeeded. You get that, right?

In the end, none of that matters to his confirmation unless they have a name.  I think everyone knows he will be confirmed

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

In the end, none of that matters to his nomination unless they have a name.  I think everyone knows he will be nominated. 

Well, duh.  This is like saying it gets cold in Minnesota.  Both have already happened.

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1 minute ago, rodg12 said:

Yet you took the time to respond and compare winters in Minnesota to those in Kentucky as if there was any sort of meaningful comparison there.

Average Temperatures for Louisville

Jan:  Low:24.9°F.  High:41.0°F.

Feb:  Low 28.5°F.  High:46.6°F.

Glad that’s settled. 

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