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Bernie is eviscerating Trump. 
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Bernie Sanders HQ! *A decent human being. (4 Viewers)
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Gotta say Anderson has been good in this format - asking good follow-ups, without trying to sandbag Bernie - I expect similar treatment with Clinton.
From a political junkie standpoint - I think the parties should pursue more of these type of events.
ETA - much better than that clown in Iowa.
From a political junkie standpoint - I think the parties should pursue more of these type of events.
ETA - much better than that clown in Iowa.
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Short Corner
Footballguy
He has never said that only the top 1% would see a tax increase. The plans have been linked to several times ITT.
BeaverCleaver
Footballguy
Bernie is so sincere and honest. He is the opposite of Hillary. The guy is awesome.
bud29
Footballguy
Trump should be attacked on his "policies', but he negates that by running as a populist.Bernie is eviscerating Trump.
I'l probably watch later, but, specifically on the GOP side, those are not debates. Too many people, and these campaigns don't want the one on one battles.
I'm much rather like these guys sitting in small settings and getting Tim Russert (Chris Wallace does similar work, but nobody can do what Russert did) type Q/A where your record is put on trial.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Bernie v Trump would be pretty amazing. Class vs ###
You do understand that healthcare is not free, right?
You can pay $5000/year to an insurer, or you can pay $1000/year to the government.
What would you prefer? Lower taxes?
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
There is no salivation in politics, no magic bullets and no easy fixes. Obama showed this.
But I really hope we get the chance to see someone of Bernie's timber in the White House.
A qualified leader, a person who wants us to take our medicine and he seems to be a good man
But I really hope we get the chance to see someone of Bernie's timber in the White House.
A qualified leader, a person who wants us to take our medicine and he seems to be a good man
bud29
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Riversco
Footballguy
Just remember that Bernie Sanders will never be able to raise taxes or accomplish any of his domestic goals. He would have a republican congress. If Bernie wins, he will drop his entire domestic agenda and focus on foreign policy. His first 100 days would be all foreign policy.
crewmember
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It's fine to investigate the math of a president's platform but no one seems that critical of all the republican budgets. They all seem to add an enormous amount to the deficit which they just explain away with some outrageous claim that economy is going to grow by a million percent.
The_Man
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The_Man
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ffldrew
Footballguy
He would have no problem heading to the "bully" pulpit and work to get the changes in Congress he would need.
ffldrew
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Is there a scenario you have in mind? It's probably best to talk about a particular issue than in generalities.
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crewmember
Footballguy
I agree, I like Bernie's platform but don't expect miracles. Who is president matters though even if facing the opposition party. Elizabeth warren recently made the case in this op-ed. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/opinion/elizabeth-warren-one-way-to-rebuild-our-institutions.html?_r=0
Even without legislative freedom it will matter that Bernie is president because he hasn't been bought. Obama's wall street donations and cabinet decisions clearly had an effect on his actions or lack of. Right now he could pass an executive decision to require federal contractors to reveal their campaign donations. Also Bernie has repeatedly pointed out the main problem of money in politics and mentioned publicly funded elections as opposed to most politicians throwing out a token line about Citzens United. When legislature fails he will be sure to explain why it did. I also expect Bernie to use the bully pulpit better to get out the truth and will encourage citizens to engage politically(besides voting) President Obama only really showed any energy when an election was coming up, his speech would speed up 4x, and he would remind people why they voted for him, the other 90 percent of the time they couldn't tell.
ffldrew
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But up until recently not everyone can obtain or afford insurance - the insurers get the profit , pick and choose how they cover people - and in doing we are being asked to carry the burden not only creating profit but to cover those they don't want to cover. In essence we are being double taxed to cover the profit for people who get sick.
crewmember
Footballguy
A national health insurance program could save approximately $150 billion on paperwork alone. Because of the administrative complexities in our current system, over 25% of every health care dollar goes to marketing, billing,
utilization review, and other forms of waste. A single-payer system could reduce administrative costs greatly.
http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php
crewmember
Footballguy
seems like the same pattern of the last one they did. At least this time Cuomo isn't there screaming BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG GOVERNMENT!
The Commish
Footballguy
Take healthcare as an example....your out of pocket would be 2.2% of your AGI. Now think about that number in terms of how much you pay in insurance premiums. I'm pretty sure you'd come out on top, no?
crewmember
Footballguy
No Clinton you didn't say break them up. Squirming and lying right now.
crewmember
Footballguy
"They aren't giving me much money now"
Only $170,000 from Goldman Sachs this election
Only $170,000 from Goldman Sachs this election
Short Corner
Footballguy
It's all calculated by expectation. And it doesn't always work out for the insurance companies, hence the existence of re-insurance companies but in the long run due to the law of large numbers they do expect to run a profit. Virtually all uninsured are uninsured because they can't afford it, not because insurers turn them away. It is very rare they will turn away someone who is high risk if that person can afford the premiums associated with that risk.
Capella
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The Commish
Footballguy
Sorry to hear that GB...you have bigger problems than Bernie taxes
How cheap are the gov't issued health plans these days?
Capella
Footballguy
I don't know exactly how much they pay, but it's a lot and seems to be really good coverage. ?Sorry to hear that GB...you have bigger problems than Bernie taxes
The Commish
Footballguy
do you not have to pay any premiums? That'd put 10ish grand back in my pocket to make that jump.I don't know exactly how much they pay, but it's a lot and seems to be really good coverage.Sorry to hear that GB...you have bigger problems than Bernie taxes
Capella
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Like 130 a paycheck.do you not have to pay any premiums? That'd put 10ish grand back in my pocket to make that jump.I don't know exactly how much they pay, but it's a lot and seems to be really good coverage.Sorry to hear that GB...you have bigger problems than Bernie taxes
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HellToupee
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Don weighing in on twitter tonight
crewmember
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Imagine if Sanders had the mind of Trump, he'd fire back "Trump says I would be easy to beat because I wouldn't be easy to beat" It would be the never ending twitter war.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is where we're at too. It wouldn't be much of a savings (unless they decided to jack up our rates) but it wouldn't cost us anymore either.
pantagrapher
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Almost falling off the first page. Here, let me help you out, Bernie.
Just some closing thoughts on last night:
1. I thought Anderson Cooper was excellent. Really never tried to impose himself on the process, allowed the candidates to have their space, literally and figuratively. And, I thought he had some good follow-ups, but not trying to create any gotcha moments for either candidate. I thought the question to Sanders about the VA issues taking too long to solve was appropriate, as well as the question to Clinton about the speaking fees. He did not go for the low-hanging fruit by asking Sanders why he flip-flopped on guns, nor did he take the bait of the recent email issues with Clinton.
2. Really enjoyed this format, much more than a typical debate. This allowed candidates to give more in-depth answers to questions, and kept the sniping to a minimum.
3. Clinton's performance last night should be very worrisome to democratic establishment types. It really highlighted some deficiencies in her as a candidate. First, she clearly has trouble connecting with voters on a personal level. There may be lots of legitimate reasons for that - but it is a problem for her, and is why her favorability ratings are so low. This is a deal-killer for her in a general election.
As many of you know, I am not a fan of Clinton's on a personal level, nor even on an issue level - but last night was the first time I had seen her look completely lost in this election cycle. That raises two questions in my mind - when she has time (weeks) to prepare for a campaign event like a debate/townhall, Clinton has had excellent command of the issues, knows her talking points cold, knows when to throw a jab, and generally comes across as being in complete control of the situation. I don't have to like her to acknowledge that she was much more polished as a debater than Sanders. So, something changed last night, and I can only come up with two reasonable explanations: 1. She was not prepared for the townhall; or, 2. she was mentally and physically exhausted by the whirlwind campaigning to close out Iowa and start in on New Hampshire. Both of those explanations should worry a voter who is concerned about someone taking a phone call at 3:00 am. Either she needs weeks to prepare, or she needs daily naps - neither of which she will have the luxury of having as president.
4. That was Bernie's best performance of the campaign. I thought he did a good job commanding the stage, he was thoughtful and on point in his answers to the questions. He connected with people in a way that Clinton simply cannot do. He still has a mountain to climb, but for the sake of the democrats, and really the country, I hope he reaches the peak. We need Bernie's vision to drive the fundamental changes we need in politics, and we really can't afford to let the republicans run loose in the candy store.
Having said all of that - I expect Clinton to perform much better tonight, in a debate format, where she will be forced to keep her answers short and to the point. She will also do better going head-to-head against Sanders. The townhall format favored Sanders, as it forces candidates to promote their own agenda, rather than a debate formate which encourages candidates to attack their opponent.
1. I thought Anderson Cooper was excellent. Really never tried to impose himself on the process, allowed the candidates to have their space, literally and figuratively. And, I thought he had some good follow-ups, but not trying to create any gotcha moments for either candidate. I thought the question to Sanders about the VA issues taking too long to solve was appropriate, as well as the question to Clinton about the speaking fees. He did not go for the low-hanging fruit by asking Sanders why he flip-flopped on guns, nor did he take the bait of the recent email issues with Clinton.
2. Really enjoyed this format, much more than a typical debate. This allowed candidates to give more in-depth answers to questions, and kept the sniping to a minimum.
3. Clinton's performance last night should be very worrisome to democratic establishment types. It really highlighted some deficiencies in her as a candidate. First, she clearly has trouble connecting with voters on a personal level. There may be lots of legitimate reasons for that - but it is a problem for her, and is why her favorability ratings are so low. This is a deal-killer for her in a general election.
As many of you know, I am not a fan of Clinton's on a personal level, nor even on an issue level - but last night was the first time I had seen her look completely lost in this election cycle. That raises two questions in my mind - when she has time (weeks) to prepare for a campaign event like a debate/townhall, Clinton has had excellent command of the issues, knows her talking points cold, knows when to throw a jab, and generally comes across as being in complete control of the situation. I don't have to like her to acknowledge that she was much more polished as a debater than Sanders. So, something changed last night, and I can only come up with two reasonable explanations: 1. She was not prepared for the townhall; or, 2. she was mentally and physically exhausted by the whirlwind campaigning to close out Iowa and start in on New Hampshire. Both of those explanations should worry a voter who is concerned about someone taking a phone call at 3:00 am. Either she needs weeks to prepare, or she needs daily naps - neither of which she will have the luxury of having as president.
4. That was Bernie's best performance of the campaign. I thought he did a good job commanding the stage, he was thoughtful and on point in his answers to the questions. He connected with people in a way that Clinton simply cannot do. He still has a mountain to climb, but for the sake of the democrats, and really the country, I hope he reaches the peak. We need Bernie's vision to drive the fundamental changes we need in politics, and we really can't afford to let the republicans run loose in the candy store.
Having said all of that - I expect Clinton to perform much better tonight, in a debate format, where she will be forced to keep her answers short and to the point. She will also do better going head-to-head against Sanders. The townhall format favored Sanders, as it forces candidates to promote their own agenda, rather than a debate formate which encourages candidates to attack their opponent.
tommyGunZ
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He's a good dude, and I'll be happy to support him if he's the nominee, but his plans don't pencil out. Virtually all of the analysis from credible sources suggest that the same ideas that have so many eager to support him aren't practical and won't happen.
I'm in favor of hiking my own tax brackets and the tax brackets of those earning far more; it makes no sense that the hightest top bracket (39%) hits in the mid-$400s. Why isn't there a 45% bracket starting at $1M, and a 50% bracket at $5M, and 60% at $20M?
But even with a much more progressive tax system, it wouldn't pay for all the promises Bernie is making. If we're going to point out that Tea Party Republicans aren't serious with their tax cuts and flat tax proposals, we have to be willing to say the same thing when folks on our side promise plans that don't make economic sense.
Riversco
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The only two ways to pass a domestic agenda when the other party has congress is if you win the presidency in a historic landslide or you make huge compromises on core beliefs. Bernie wont do either. He will head straight to foreign policy. Bully pulpit doesn't work.
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