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Just now, Max Power said:

Maybe its just me, but they seem to be implying that he isn't a man of his words

 

Yeah and that might stick except he has been saying and fighting for the same things for 40 years. Atwater taught always attack a strength. Bernie's integrity is his strength.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

I think @NCCommish is right at this point that Bernie is the frontrunner, at least for now. 

And it strikes me that part of this is Joe Biden’s continual refusal to commit himself to the race despite his many hints that he wants in. At some point people are going to get bored with his hesitancy; that may have already happened. 

Did you see the townhall? Did you see him go on Fox and win the crowd? That guy can beat Trump.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

I think @NCCommish is right at this point that Bernie is the frontrunner, at least for now. 

And it strikes me that part of this is Joe Biden’s continual refusal to commit himself to the race despite his many hints that he wants in. At some point people are going to get bored with his hesitancy; that may have already happened. 

Biden's time has passed.

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8 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

Did you see the townhall? Did you see him go on Fox and win the crowd? That guy can beat Trump.

Running against Trump is different than winning over a room.  Winning over a room is a personal thing, face to face, them hearing his message.

Running against Trump is running against the Republcian machine.  One that will be hammering Bernie on every level, including socialism, socialized healthcare, and Bernie can have a tendency to be professorial with all of his math which is something Trump can easily exploit.

I think Bernie was a much better choice than HIllary in 2016...but in 2020 I think there may be better differentiation available.  Bernie and Trump are both old.   Bernie is strongest on issues dealing with the economy, less on security.  Trump has had some good economic results in his term which reduces Bernie's effectiveness there, and he also isn't strong on security issues and Trump pretends to be strong there.  

Would be interesting to see a breakdown of how you see Bernie stacking up against Trump on important issues.  Healthcare, economy, immigration, wealth redistribution, social programs, foreign diplomacy, Russia, etc.

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24 minutes ago, adonis said:

Running against Trump is different than winning over a room.  Winning over a room is a personal thing, face to face, them hearing his message.

Running against Trump is running against the Republcian machine.  One that will be hammering Bernie on every level, including socialism, socialized healthcare, and Bernie can have a tendency to be professorial with all of his math which is something Trump can easily exploit.

I think Bernie was a much better choice than HIllary in 2016...but in 2020 I think there may be better differentiation available.  Bernie and Trump are both old.   Bernie is strongest on issues dealing with the economy, less on security.  Trump has had some good economic results in his term which reduces Bernie's effectiveness there, and he also isn't strong on security issues and Trump pretends to be strong there.  

Would be interesting to see a breakdown of how you see Bernie stacking up against Trump on important issues.  Healthcare, economy, immigration, wealth redistribution, social programs, foreign diplomacy, Russia, etc.

How many Fox viewers do you think watched that? And every time they thought hey this doesn't sound so bad and the audience did the same do you think that stuck a bit? Made them feel less like they were wrong? I bet it did.

As to the second part I'll try to do that for you later, remind me.

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16 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

How many Fox viewers do you think watched that? And every time they thought hey this doesn't sound so bad and the audience did the same do you think that stuck a bit? Made them feel less like they were wrong? I bet it did.

As to the second part I'll try to do that for you later, remind me.

I think it stuck, but again, it's in the absence of strong political headwinds at this point.  

Look forward to seeing your thoughts on how Bernie stacks up overall, based on whatever category breakdown you want to put forward.

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This guy is a joke.

It's okay to use the corrupt system to become a millionaire and own three homes...but if you use the same system to run a business and enable jobs for thousands of people and become a billionaire you are part of the problem.

Hypocrisy in its finest hour.

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1 minute ago, PhantomJB said:

This guy is a joke.

It's okay to use the corrupt system to become a millionaire and own three homes...but if you use the same system to run a business and enable jobs for thousands of people and become a billionaire you are part of the problem.

Hypocrisy in its finest hour. 

This is a really sharp and insightful post, a great contribution to the discourse.  Excellent work.

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1 minute ago, PhantomJB said:

This guy is a joke.

It's okay to use the corrupt system to become a millionaire and own three homes...but if you use the same system to run a business and enable jobs for thousands of people and become a billionaire you are part of the problem.

Hypocrisy in its finest hour.

You're misrepresenting his message and creating/attacking a straw man.

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So Bernie released his taxes. And as expected no tomfoolery just pretty boring stuff. No Cayman island accounts. No 401ks with a lot more value than they should have. Just a guy reporting income and paying whatever the rate was. He is now a very low 7 figure guy calling for tax increases on himself and those that make more. Oh and he voted against the tax cuts that benefitted him. 

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Just now, The Commish said:

you're just part of the echo chamber NCC...you aren't foolin' anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty sure a lot of left leaning posters here dont get the echo they would like from me.

It's funny I get called everything from a commie to a right winger in the closet. I must be doing something right.

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Just now, NCCommish said:

I try very hard not to engage with posters who make dishonest arguments these days. It's hard sometimes. 

I saw something today about how this absurd anti-Bernie argument is a product of the right wing bubble. It's similar to the "AOC wants drastic action on climate change but rides around town in a minivan!" garbage. 

These arguments are remarkably stupid, of course. The whole idea is that large scale collective action is needed to fix the massive problems of climate change and inequality because individual voluntary actions are irrelevant. Most people see right through this nonsense and don't take it seriously. The only people who think this is an effective line of attack are people who've been hearing it employed by the Sean Hannitys of the world and go unchallenged.

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5 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

I saw something today about how this absurd anti-Bernie argument is a product of the right wing bubble. It's similar to the "AOC wants drastic action on climate change but rides around town in a minivan!" garbage. 

These arguments are remarkably stupid, of course. The whole idea is that large scale collective action is needed to fix the massive problems of climate change and inequality because individual voluntary actions are irrelevant. Most people see right through this nonsense and don't take it seriously. The only people who think this is an effective line of attack are people who've been hearing it employed by the Sean Hannitys of the world and go unchallenged.

Even challenged though they still go back to it.

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8 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

A whopping 84% of the $18 million Bernie brought in came from donations of less than $200 ― the next closest candidate is Sen. Elizabeth Warren, with 70%" of her $6 million haul.

:thumbup:

He got 27 from me. And now that he has released his taxes he'll get some more. I felt it was only right to hold off until he did what we want Trump to do.

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35 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

Pretty sure a lot of left leaning posters here dont get the echo they would like from me.

It's funny I get called everything from a commie to a right winger in the closet. I must be doing something right.

yeah..."echo chamber" around here is anyone who doesn't agree with Trump being labeled "left" and in squarely in the echo chamber.  I share your struggle though on some things perhaps from the moderate side.

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12 hours ago, PIK95 said:

I made a few donations already.  The only thing that can stop us now is shenanigans. 

I think the only way for shenanigans to be effective is if the Third Way Centrist people come together, really right now, around one candidate. It does seem to be that support is coalescing around Pete. But it may be already too late. This is why I was saying maybe Biden waited too long because they really needed to have somebody for the weight of the establishment to get behind a couple of months ago. So we'll see

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21 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Never count out the establishment . They don’t like to lose power

Yep - still way too early to know how this is going to go.  I’m pretty sure in the last month Tim has declared Harris, Biden, Buttigieg and Bernie all the front runner or favorite.  It’s just too early but Bernie still resonates with me because he still comes across as genuine and caring about the people.  Mayor Pete has that quality, Beto somewhat but most of the rest just have the typical politician telling me what I want to hear feel to them.  Bernie doesn’t care if his message is unpopular with some people, he believes it and it shows.  

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21 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

So today Bernie's campaign announced endorsements from 7 black lawmakers in South Carolina. Bernie got his ground game going much earlier this time and has been very active in the state. Hopefully it pays off.

Maybe too early to tell, but who do you feel like Bernie would tag for VP?

 

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2 hours ago, NCCommish said:

So today Bernie's campaign announced endorsements from 7 black lawmakers in South Carolina. Bernie got his ground game going much earlier this time and has been very active in the state. Hopefully it pays off.

B, B, But....BeRnIe CaN'T gEt ThEm BlAcK vOtEs

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19 hours ago, NCCommish said:

So today Bernie's campaign announced endorsements from 7 black lawmakers in South Carolina. Bernie got his ground game going much earlier this time and has been very active in the state. Hopefully it pays off.

That's what doomed him in 2016. I told my daughter and son-in-law who are Sanders supporters he wouldn't win the nomination because he waited to long to go after the black vote in the south. 

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Meh, it really wasn't that big a gaffe. He elaborated, rationalized it, and didn't stumble in any of it. I think it's a fair viewpoint and can see the "slippery slope" he brings up.

CNN going for the emotional appeal in their choice of prisoners as mentioned in the question is just what the Democrats do best. It's part of why we actually have Trump in fact.

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I can see people having a problem with his answer.  Though, he elaborated well.  Id say, in a way its similar to debates on gun control with the slippery slope.

I happen to disagree with him on felons just as I do with those who have issues on gun control.  I think there are practical ways to say...for this crime, or for this instances of issues...this person shouldn't vote or this person shouldn't own a gun.  That when you commit certain acts or exhibit certain behavior (but it must be well defined), you give up those rights.  He says they are in jail and that is their punishment...well perhaps giving up the right to vote is as well?  I bring up guns because Im trying to be consistent with the message.  You will have people that say Bernie's answer is terrible...but when talking about something similar with gun control will claim you are infringing on rights.

I also don't think its the suicide some thing...were there any voting for or supporting him that are so on the other side of this that they will be against him now?

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