SaintsInDome2006
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Donna Brazeale on CNN. This is a vice chairwoman of the DNC who is supposed to be impartial....
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chet
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
What if I told you I don't care what celebrities think about anything but especially not about politics? Any idiot that bases their vote on what celebrities think doesn't really deserve the opportunity to vote.
chet
Footballguy
What if I told you that I agree with you 100% but many others--especially millennials--place a lot of credence in the opinions of celebrities.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
What if I told you that if it helps get Bernie elected, I don't care why the celebrities are doing it?
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Tom DeLay reporting that the FBI is ready to indict Hillary, for whatever that's worth.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
How could Tom DeLay of all people possibly have any inside knowledge of this investigation?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I tend to agree as to it's value, just reporting it here with proper disclaimers.
Maybe he still has friends on the inside. They say cellmates can be life-long relationships...
The Commish
Footballguy
There's something else afoot here in northern SC. I think the GOP is underestimating Bernie's appeal to "anti-establishment" types. Of course, I could be completely wrong (the whole birds of a feather and what not) but I have seen and heard many suggesting Bernie would be a consideration for them under the right circumstances (usually when the option is between him, Trump/Cruz). There's an ever growing "anyone but Hillary" thing going on around here. Was talking with a PS prof here at Winthrop a few days ago and he wouldn't be surprised at all to see Bernie do very well up here. He also said "ok" in the Columbia area and doesn't have any real idea in the Charleston area. Something to keep an eye on going forward I suppose.
glock
"Don't grumble, give a whistle!"
Yet many here on this bored hope to debate/argue/influence others. I find that interesting...
freakinback
Footballguy
I think the professor has it backwards, I think Sanders has a much strong chance in Charleston. In Northern SC, I just don't see it. Maybe he basing this on how long John Spratt held the house seat, but his family owned Fort Mill. We'll see.
The Commish
Footballguy
If Charleston is the "lock" out of the three, then Hillary's in trouble because there is no question the "anyone but Hillary" group up here is growing. There's also a group on the "conservative" side here in the "WTF is happening to my party" category. This is the first time in a long time I've seen people shy away from "democrat" and "republican" labels in favor of "liberal" and "conservative". It's pretty interesting to watch.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think (and certainly I hope) this is all wishful thinking. I'd be stunned if Hillary lost South Carolina. Even if she lost the first 3 contests, which would be a calamity, I would still expect her to win SC.
The Commish
Footballguy
It's an observation Tim. Take it or leave it 
All I can tell you is what I am seeing and hearing from people. People I never thought would bail on the GOP are doing so. People I never thought would bail on the Dems are doing so. I frequently question myself on this because I never thought I'd see it, so when someone in the field independently validates what I am seeing, I think it's worth mentioning. Feel free to dismiss it however you see fit.
All I can tell you is what I am seeing and hearing from people. People I never thought would bail on the GOP are doing so. People I never thought would bail on the Dems are doing so. I frequently question myself on this because I never thought I'd see it, so when someone in the field independently validates what I am seeing, I think it's worth mentioning. Feel free to dismiss it however you see fit.
timschochet
Footballguy
I'm not dismissing anything in this election. We'llKnow soon enough.It's an observation Tim. Take it or leave it
All I can tell you is what I am seeing and hearing from people. People I never thought would bail on the GOP are doing so. People I never thought would bail on the Dems are doing so. I frequently question myself on this because I never thought I'd see it, so when someone in the field independently validates what I am seeing, I think it's worth mentioning. Feel free to dismiss it however you see fit.
Columbia is certainly the most solidly blue part of the state and has the most liberals. Democratic voters in Charleston are by and large going to be minority (although both cities have large minority populations).
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Statorama
gangster
There's a strong "anybody but Hillary" vibe happening in Wisconsin too. This server/email thing is sitting over her head, and is a lot more damaging than I think she appreciates. And I don't think people really like her. Also, RIP Vince Foster.
The guy in the cube next to me leans right, member of the NRA, church goer...donated to Bernie's campaign, calling him "the only genuine one in the bunch".
Bernie has a real good shot at this. As long as his running mate doesn't go full Stockdale on him, I think he's aces.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I wonder how many of us are our there?
How many Clinton people are out there that would switch to Trump if Bernie is the Dem candidate?
I would assume that the first population is greater than the second but maybe Tim or Tommy could explain why that assumption is wrong.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
This kind of sums me up. Although not a church goer or NRA guy. Lean heavily right on all things financial/economic/taxation/etc. Don't actually believe anymore that anybody in government supports what I believe so I may as well go with the guy I like the best. That just happens to be Bernie. Guy definitely seems genuine thus far. Counts for a lot.
timschochet
Footballguy
Gopher State
Footballguy
latest Minneapolis Star Tribune poll has Hillary up by 34 in Minnesota
timschochet
Footballguy
That's OK. Just as soon as they start thinking about Vince Foster, they're sure to change their minds.
99% of the voting people have no idea who he is.
Yeah, he was a great QB for the Longhorns but flopped in the NFL.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Vince Foster isn't the skeleton in Hillary's closet that her campaign has to worry about. The FBI Indictment is one. The other is just the general desire among many Americans to have anyone but a Bush or Clinton in the White House.
timschochet
Footballguy
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
You serious Clark?
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
timschochet
Footballguy
Very much so. Here's a clue for you: in the last two Republican conventions, George W. Bush was nowhere to be seen. In the last two Democratic conventions, Bill Clinton was a major presence. Why do you think that is?You serious Clark?
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The story out of blue state MN is that Hillary is losing to Rubio by 9 points in that poll.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Good review of the debate here...
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2016/jan/26/bernie-sanders-candidate-clinton-poll-debate?CMP=share_btn_tw
Have there been any poll numbers on who won the town hall?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2016/jan/26/bernie-sanders-candidate-clinton-poll-debate?CMP=share_btn_tw
Have there been any poll numbers on who won the town hall?
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I'm no conservative Tim. I repeated it.
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
There are a lot of "anti-Hillary" people out there. Sure, most of them are conservatives, but there are quite a few moderates and liberals who would prefer anyone but Hillary.
She may overcome it, but to pretend it doesn't exist is pretty naive.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Is it going to take Bernie in the White House in order for you to realize this is a mistaken belief Tim?
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
The_Man
Footballguy
That poll has some totally crazy results. Shows Minnesota - which has gone with the Democratic Presidential candidate for at least the last 10 elections (including the only state that went against Reagan) - voting for Rubio over Hillary by 9% and even Cruz beating her by 2%!
And that's with a sample of 236 Republicans and 307 Democrats.
Those Presidential results alone make me very suspicious of anything that poll says. But if you take it as accurate, then Hillary's lead over Bernie isn't the big news, the big news is that Hillary is running so poorly even in Minnesota.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well now you're talking about something else. Sure, there are some people, not a lot of people, who don't like Hillary and think, "anyone but her."I'm no conservative Tim. I repeated it.
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
There are a lot of "anti-Hillary" people out there. Sure, most of them are conservatives, but there are quite a few moderates and liberals who would prefer anyone but Hillary.
She may overcome it, but to pretend it doesn't exist is pretty naive.
But that's different from an attitude of "We're sick of the Bushes and the Clintons". Republicans feel this way about the Bushes, and they're trying to pretend that Democrats feel the same way about the Clintons. It's not true.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well, that would certainly go a long way, yeah.Is it going to take Bernie in the White House in order for you to realize this is a mistaken belief Tim?
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
The Commish
Footballguy
Is it a feather in the Democratic cap to say "meh....if we have to elect Hillary to get more Bill, sobeit??Well now you're talking about something else. Sure, there are some people, not a lot of people, who don't like Hillary and think, "anyone but her."I'm no conservative Tim. I repeated it.
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
There are a lot of "anti-Hillary" people out there. Sure, most of them are conservatives, but there are quite a few moderates and liberals who would prefer anyone but Hillary.
She may overcome it, but to pretend it doesn't exist is pretty naive.
But that's different from an attitude of "We're sick of the Bushes and the Clintons". Republicans feel this way about the Bushes, and they're trying to pretend that Democrats feel the same way about the Clintons. It's not true.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
The establishment, maybe. There is a good portion of the populace who thinks that way about both the Bushes and the Clintons.Well now you're talking about something else. Sure, there are some people, not a lot of people, who don't like Hillary and think, "anyone but her."I'm no conservative Tim. I repeated it.
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
There are a lot of "anti-Hillary" people out there. Sure, most of them are conservatives, but there are quite a few moderates and liberals who would prefer anyone but Hillary.
She may overcome it, but to pretend it doesn't exist is pretty naive.
But that's different from an attitude of "We're sick of the Bushes and the Clintons". Republicans feel this way about the Bushes, and they're trying to pretend that Democrats feel the same way about the Clintons. It's not true.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Also has a 70% vs 30% skew toward land lines vs. cell phones. I don't know a single person up here that owns a land line, personally. Reading further, it was conducted by Mason-Dixon Research, which had one of the worst polling accuracy ratings by 538 from the 2012 election (second worst it looks like, actually), though it does appear they have a solid B+ from 538 over a much longer timespan. The poll also doesn't appear to say how many respondents there were in each age bracket. My guess is that it is heavily skewed toward 50+.
The land line numbers alone make me doubt the result, though. 538 and other have pointed out that, more and more, skewing toward land line polling is leading to major accuracy issues as the usage of phones dramatically shifted in the last decade.
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JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
:scoreboard:
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
If the Dems were so energized to get another Clinton in the WH, why isn't she serving her 2nd term right now?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Because the 'Change' in Hope & Change originally referred to the Clintons.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
If you'll check the bolded I don't think I asked about Dem or Rep. conventions, I asked about the General Public (your words) caring about another Clinton in the white house.Very much so. Here's a clue for you: in the last two Republican conventions, George W. Bush was nowhere to be seen. In the last two Democratic conventions, Bill Clinton was a major presence. Why do you think that is?You serious Clark?
How long are conservatives going to repeat this nonsense?
For the umpteenth time, conservatives certainly don't want another Bush in the White House. But Democrats have no problem with another Clinton in the White House, and neither does the general public.
timschochet
Footballguy
The only way to prove you guys wrong is for Hillary to be elected our next President. When that happens hopefully some of you will admit you were mistaken all along. I'll be magnanimous in my response.
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