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WR Will Fuller, MIA (4 Viewers)
- Thread starter bostonfred
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He’s been WR5 since BOB was fired. Other than that gale force rain game in Cleveland HOU passing offense has really been on fire.
May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.)
May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"
rockaction
Footballguy
Glad that second plus a player I offered back about four weeks ago didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs.
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FairWarning
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.
They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed.
If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was thinking the same about his price in redraft.
Clearly owners in my dynasty league thought so based on the 2 loball offers I've rejected already.
Man, imagine what I could have commanded for him after the season had this not happened. Sickening.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Did we ever get an explanation for that cut?
Maybe it was like, "well it sucks we traded Hopkins, but finally we're set at WR, we don't need that guy!"
Man, life comes at ya fast when you're the Texans.
The Frankman
Footballguy
No they don't; he just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok. It sounds like he did everything right except ask a person in the medical field who was uninformed.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving.
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Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player.
I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts.
I can also totally see a young athlete going to a specialist and being naive enough to think that all doctors know what they are doing and trust them entirely without questioning or probing.
It's impossible for us to really know which for any given instance (unless you are talking about a guy and situation like Onterrio Smith's).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I traded Fuller two weeks ago for Allen Robinson (essentially) and Fuller basically knocked out the team most likely to produce a monster playoff run (Henry, Gibson, Moestert, Lamar, Andrews). Crazy what kind of drama the fantasy football season tends to bring.Lost by 2.4 points this week against a fuller team that nails the coffin for me to make playoffs
** The team with Fuller also has Watson. Double wammy.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window.
rockaction
Footballguy
I knew there was something up with his newfound health, I just didn't know what. He even ran differently than he had previously. Should have seen it coming.
And whatever he was taking should be legal, IMO, unless it makes his winkie fall off later. Then no bueno.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
He knew exactly what he was doing and was hoping to get away with it for a big contract next year, but he got caught. He probably figured it was worth the risk, can't say I blame him when the potential payoff is huge, and the downside is probably a similar contract to what he would have gotten otherwise.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes.
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, but then all the nanny-staters point to where his winkie once was and weep for the poor, tortured soul that we allowed to do that.
Can't have all those grieving nannies. Lousy optics on the uptake.
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No reason they can't bring stills back.
With how well Watson is playing, I think he's still a solid qb1, but loses his elite ceiling.
Cooks might be a 12+ target a game guy going forward, and is likely a wr1 down the stretch.
Could see coutee being a top-30 guy, and skins and fells being leaned on more. Especially akins, who could be a te1 in this weak te year.
With how well Watson is playing, I think he's still a solid qb1, but loses his elite ceiling.
Cooks might be a 12+ target a game guy going forward, and is likely a wr1 down the stretch.
Could see coutee being a top-30 guy, and skins and fells being leaned on more. Especially akins, who could be a te1 in this weak te year.
Down Under
Footballguy
OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done? LOLHot Sauce Guy said:I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window.
Down Under
Footballguy
This is just devastating news though. Yeah, I'm sure the McCaffrey, et al owners are crying in their beers for me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing.
Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794
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Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
Just brutal, but explains some things in retrospect.
The only silver lining in all of this (and I am acknowledging this is a stretch) is at least this saves his owners from throwing him out there against some of those brutal playoff matchups on a “never bench your studs” basis.
I also saves us the possibility of the classic 1st quarter injury, a Fuller special, that would have inevitably happen in a playoff matchup.
But yeah, this is terrible.
The only silver lining in all of this (and I am acknowledging this is a stretch) is at least this saves his owners from throwing him out there against some of those brutal playoff matchups on a “never bench your studs” basis.
I also saves us the possibility of the classic 1st quarter injury, a Fuller special, that would have inevitably happen in a playoff matchup.
But yeah, this is terrible.
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FairWarning
Footballguy
Not that I have seen. It sounded like a mutual parting of the ways. It seemed like all he did was produce when he played.Hot Sauce Guy said:
You're correct about the Texans, they may be the most puzzling team when it comes to personnel moves.
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whole-show
Footballguy
Houston Texans CB Bradley Roby announced late Monday night that he too has been suspended 6 games for violating NFL's performance enhancing substances policy
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.
BoerumHill
Footballguy
I’ve legit been wondering why for three months. Then I read the last half of your sentence very s l o w l y and laughed out loud.
It's Whizzinator guys......at least get the spelling right. I mean if a guy is going to go through all that trouble you might as well get the spelling of the product correct in case anybody else is looking for that edge. You don't want anybody using the off brands for this kind of thing.
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onionsack
Footballguy
Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling.
rockaction
Footballguy
Standards for slander and libel are very high. Often, it's not worth going through legally.
Zow
Footballguy
Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them...
Zow
Footballguy
This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah with guys that have at least three years of training in how to interpret rules, look at how judicial bodies have interpreted them, etc.
I suppose those guys would be overpriced though.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Fuller placed the blame on an unnamed physician, and some people actually believe him? Come on, don't be so gullible. Professional athletes with millions of dollars on the line know what substances they are putting in their body, and whether or not those substances are legal in their sport.
jtd13
Footballguy
Yep. That explanation looked like it came from a random PED excuse generator. IIRC the NFL can't disclose what they tested positive for, so it always benefits the player to put an innocent sounding story out.
On Fuller being re-signed in Houston, I wonder if that means they cut Cooks to make space. I don't think Cooks is overpriced at $12m next year, but he can be released with no dead cap. Or maybe more likely he gets traded once again.
Tough to say what Houston will do when they have no GM and no real head coach. The fact that they moved nobody prior to the trade deadline I think means they will want Fuller back and this suspension will make him cheaper. I’d rather see them restructure Cooks than cut him as they have no one behind Fuller if they bring him back. But either way they need to cut salary badly with a number of guys either needing to be restructured, traded or cut: Watt, Cooks, both DJ’s, Cobb, Mercilus, Kelemete, Cunningham, McKinney, Murray, Roby. Some of these guys are good players that should be retained if they can, just a long list of badly structured or overpaid contracts BOB handed out.
dhockster
Footballguy
Since the Texans haven't hired a new GM or coach yet, how do we know they are expected to re-sign Fuller? Will is a great player who hasn't been able to stay on the field due to injuries, until this year, when he was suspended for taking PED's which can help you not get injured. I don't think the Texans will get in a bidding war for Fuller and they are better off extending Cooks to a long term deal.
