Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, tricky92 said: I'm wondering if this was the reason why he was able to maintain his health this year. And, I hate to say it, but I can totally understand why he took the risk. Contract years also can have that effect on players who are more willing to play through minor nicks and soft tissue tweaks that they might otherwise sit for, but PEDs can definitely aid in recovery. this sucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whole-show 291 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Will Fullers statement on his Instagram “willfullerv Earlier this year, I sought treatment from a medical professional who prescribed medication that he believed to be permitted under the NFL’s drug policy. As it turns out, my trust in this professional was misplaced because this medication was NOT a permitted substance under the NFL Policy on Performance Enhancing Substances. As a result of this mistake, I have been suspended for six games for taking this prohibited medication. I want to sincerely apologize to the Texans organization and all of my fans for this mistake. I am looking forward to putting this all behind me and returning better than ever in 2021. Thank you, Will” Link 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just devastating. Traded to get him in Dynasty. In redraft I have Watson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
starks 210 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Lost by 2.4 points this week against a fuller team that nails the coffin for me to make playoffs 😒 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buckna 1,384 Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 He’s been WR5 since BOB was fired. Other than that gale force rain game in Cleveland HOU passing offense has really been on fire. May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,604 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?" 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 22,965 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) Glad that second plus a player I offered back about four weeks ago didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs. Edited December 1, 2020 by rockaction 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FairWarning 454 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, rockaction said: Glad that second plus a player I offered didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs. And will affect the Watson owners some also. They wish they kept Stills now I bet. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stompin' Tom Connors 4,241 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 26 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?" I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this. They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed. If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick Vermeil 3,221 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Just now, Stompin' Tom Connors said: I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this. They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed. If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication. They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 44 minutes ago, Buckna said: May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.) I was thinking the same about his price in redraft. Clearly owners in my dynasty league thought so based on the 2 loball offers I've rejected already. Man, imagine what I could have commanded for him after the season had this not happened. Sickening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, FairWarning said: And will affect the Watson owners some also. They wish they kept Stills now I bet. Did we ever get an explanation for that cut? Maybe it was like, "well it sucks we traded Hopkins, but finally we're set at WR, we don't need that guy!" Man, life comes at ya fast when you're the Texans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Frankman 3,281 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said: I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this. They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed. If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication. No they don't; he just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok. It sounds like he did everything right except ask a person in the medical field who was uninformed. Edited December 1, 2020 by The Frankman Quote Link to post Share on other sites
osubuckeyeman 182 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 29 minutes ago, rockaction said: Glad that second plus a player I offered didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs. He had a career year and now has no risk of injury. He has a big payday coming and this will not matter one bit towards his next contract except missing one pay check next season. He leaves a team that was actively shopping him at the trade deadline. I don't see a downside for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 22,965 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, osubuckeyeman said: He had a career year and now has no risk of injury. He has a big payday coming and this will not matter one bit towards his next contract except missing one pay check next season. He leaves a team that was actively shopping him at the trade deadline. I don't see a downside for him. Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving. Edited December 1, 2020 by rockaction 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stompin' Tom Connors 4,241 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Nick Vermeil said: They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test. 3 minutes ago, The Frankman said: No they don't. He just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok. Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player. I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts. I can also totally see a young athlete going to a specialist and being naive enough to think that all doctors know what they are doing and trust them entirely without questioning or probing. It's impossible for us to really know which for any given instance (unless you are talking about a guy and situation like Onterrio Smith's). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, rockaction said: Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving. On the bright side you might be able to acquire him for much less now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tricky92 496 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, starks said: Lost by 2.4 points this week against a fuller team that nails the coffin for me to make playoffs 😒 I traded Fuller two weeks ago for Allen Robinson (essentially) and Fuller basically knocked out the team most likely to produce a monster playoff run (Henry, Gibson, Moestert, Lamar, Andrews). Crazy what kind of drama the fantasy football season tends to bring. ** The team with Fuller also has Watson. Double wammy. Edited December 1, 2020 by tricky92 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said: I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts. I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 22,965 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: On the bright side you might be able to acquire him for much less now. I knew there was something up with his newfound health, I just didn't know what. He even ran differently than he had previously. Should have seen it coming. And whatever he was taking should be legal, IMO, unless it makes his winkie fall off later. Then no bueno. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreenNGold 107 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said: Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?" He knew exactly what he was doing and was hoping to get away with it for a big contract next year, but he got caught. He probably figured it was worth the risk, can't say I blame him when the potential payoff is huge, and the downside is probably a similar contract to what he would have gotten otherwise. Edited December 1, 2020 by GreenNGold 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, rockaction said: And whatever he was taking should be legal, IMO, unless it makes his winkie fall off later. Then no bueno. Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 22,965 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes. Yeah, but then all the nanny-staters point to where his winkie once was and weep for the poor, tortured soul that we allowed to do that. Can't have all those grieving nannies. Lousy optics on the uptake. Edited December 1, 2020 by rockaction 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
travdogg 2,998 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 No reason they can't bring stills back. With how well Watson is playing, I think he's still a solid qb1, but loses his elite ceiling. Cooks might be a 12+ target a game guy going forward, and is likely a wr1 down the stretch. Could see coutee being a top-30 guy, and skins and fells being leaned on more. Especially akins, who could be a te1 in this weak te year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades 139 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said: Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player. I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts. I can also totally see a young athlete going to a specialist and being naive enough to think that all doctors know what they are doing and trust them entirely without questioning or probing. It's impossible for us to really know which for any given instance (unless you are talking about a guy and situation like Onterrio Smith's). Plus the NFL probably lists a bunch of stuff by certain names, but some new drug that's essentially "one of the banned ones, plus aspirin" won't be listed by name. You'd need a chemist to figure out if it's legal or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Down Under 54 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window. OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done? LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Down Under 54 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 This is just devastating news though. Yeah, I'm sure the McCaffrey, et al owners are crying in their beers for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,031 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 That explains some things. I'll take this year's version over previous versions. At least you know if you can play him or not this season. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
osubuckeyeman 182 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Here that sigh or relief? It was coming from Green Bay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Sauce Guy 8,910 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Down Under said: OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done? LOL It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing. Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794 Edited December 1, 2020 by Hot Sauce Guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,031 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 that's not my bag baby 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Utah #9 223 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) Just brutal, but explains some things in retrospect. The only silver lining in all of this (and I am acknowledging this is a stretch) is at least this saves his owners from throwing him out there against some of those brutal playoff matchups on a “never bench your studs” basis. I also saves us the possibility of the classic 1st quarter injury, a Fuller special, that would have inevitably happen in a playoff matchup. But yeah, this is terrible. Edited December 1, 2020 by Johnny Utah #9 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FairWarning 454 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: Did we ever get an explanation for that cut? Maybe it was like, "well it sucks we traded Hopkins, but finally we're set at WR, we don't need that guy!" Man, life comes at ya fast when you're the Texans. Not that I have seen. It sounded like a mutual parting of the ways. It seemed like all he did was produce when he played. You're correct about the Texans, they may be the most puzzling team when it comes to personnel moves. Edited December 1, 2020 by FairWarning Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAG 261 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Well, much like Fuller’s anatomy, my playoff hopes are shriveling. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whole-show 291 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Houston Texans CB Bradley Roby announced late Monday night that he too has been suspended 6 games for violating NFL's performance enhancing substances policy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnny Utah #9 223 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 12 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing. Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794 I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BoerumHill 171 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, Johnny Utah #9 said: I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator. I’ve legit been wondering why for three months. Then I read the last half of your sentence very s l o w l y and laughed out loud. 2 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gally 4,688 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said: It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing. Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others. https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794 22 minutes ago, Johnny Utah #9 said: I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator. It's Whizzinator guys......at least get the spelling right. I mean if a guy is going to go through all that trouble you might as well get the spelling of the product correct in case anybody else is looking for that edge. You don't want anybody using the off brands for this kind of thing. Edited December 1, 2020 by Gally 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,000 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 What Will Fuller's suspension means for his future with Texans Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jurrassic 224 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 So we know this is definitive. No challenge, no appeal? Just don't want to drop the guy and have him play the next 2 weeks. I may have missed it but I have only seen Will Fuller and media outlets report this. Have the Texans and the league released this information? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,000 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Deshaun Watson: 'Very important' that Houston Texans re-sign suspended WR Will Fuller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
onionsack 253 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 7:27 AM, whole-show said: Will Fullers statement on his Instagram “willfullerv Earlier this year, I sought treatment from a medical professional who prescribed medication that he believed to be permitted under the NFL’s drug policy. As it turns out, my trust in this professional was misplaced because this medication was NOT a permitted substance under the NFL Policy on Performance Enhancing Substances. As a result of this mistake, I have been suspended for six games for taking this prohibited medication. I want to sincerely apologize to the Texans organization and all of my fans for this mistake. I am looking forward to putting this all behind me and returning better than ever in 2021. Thank you, Will” Link Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 22,965 Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, onionsack said: Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling. Standards for slander and libel are very high. Often, it's not worth going through legally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zow 8,504 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 11/30/2020 at 5:03 PM, Andy Dufresne said: Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?" Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zow 8,504 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 12/2/2020 at 3:52 PM, jurrassic said: So we know this is definitive. No challenge, no appeal? Just don't want to drop the guy and have him play the next 2 weeks. I may have missed it but I have only seen Will Fuller and media outlets report this. Have the Texans and the league released this information? This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GreenNGold 107 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Zow said: This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now. Yes, it is a done deal, Fuller has issued a statement apologizing and accepting the suspension and stating he will be back in 2021. Completely droppable in redraft. Edited December 4, 2020 by GreenNGold 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,604 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Zow said: Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them... You mean, like, some sort of "agency"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zow 8,504 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said: You mean, like, some sort of "agency"? Yeah with guys that have at least three years of training in how to interpret rules, look at how judicial bodies have interpreted them, etc. I suppose those guys would be overpriced though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Synthesizer 487 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Fuller placed the blame on an unnamed physician, and some people actually believe him? Come on, don't be so gullible. Professional athletes with millions of dollars on the line know what substances they are putting in their body, and whether or not those substances are legal in their sport. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,000 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Quote The Houston Chronicle expects the Texans to re-sign Will Fuller. There's been talk the Texans could move on from Fuller, who's set for unrestricted free agency in March. Fuller managed to stay healthy for the first time in his career before getting suspended for the final five games and Week 1 of next year. Houston has the eighth lowest projected 2021 cap space, but that won't prevent them from bringing back Fuller. Whoever lands the Texans' GM job should focus on locking up Fuller this offseason. SOURCE: Houston Chronicle Dec 4, 2020, 9:35 AM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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