Will fuller dynasty and redraft prospect

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

26 minutes ago, tricky92 said:

I'm wondering if this was the reason why he was able to maintain his health this year. And, I hate to say it, but I can totally understand why he took the risk.

Contract years also can have that effect on players who are more willing to play through minor nicks and soft tissue tweaks that they might otherwise sit for, but PEDs can definitely aid in recovery. 

this sucks. 

[whole-show 291]

Will Fullers statement on his Instagram

“willfullerv Earlier this year, I sought treatment from a medical professional who prescribed medication that he believed to be permitted under the NFL’s drug policy. As it turns out, my trust in this professional was misplaced because this medication was NOT a permitted substance under the NFL Policy on Performance Enhancing Substances. 

As a result of this mistake, I have been suspended for six games for taking this prohibited medication. I want to sincerely apologize to the Texans organization and all of my fans for this mistake. I am looking forward to putting this all behind me and returning better than ever in 2021. 

Thank you, Will”

Link

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

Just devastating. Traded to get him in Dynasty. In redraft I have Watson. 

 

[starks 210]

Lost by 2.4 points this week against a fuller team that nails the coffin for me to make playoffs 😒

[Buckna 1,384]

He’s been WR5 since BOB was fired. Other than that gale force rain game in Cleveland HOU passing offense has really been on fire.

May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.)

[Andy Dufresne 11,604]

Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"

[rockaction 22,965]

Glad that second plus a player I offered back about four weeks ago didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs.

Edited December 1, 2020 by rockaction

[FairWarning 454]

13 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Glad that second plus a player I offered didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs.

And will affect the Watson owners some also.  They wish they kept Stills now I bet.

[Stompin' Tom Connors 4,241]

26 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"

I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.

They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed.

If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication.

[Nick Vermeil 3,221]

Just now, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.

They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed.

If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication.

They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test.   

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

44 minutes ago, Buckna said:

May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.)

I was thinking the same about his price in redraft. 

Clearly owners in my dynasty league thought so based on the 2 loball offers I've rejected already.  

Man, imagine what I could have commanded for him after the season had this not happened. Sickening. 

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

16 minutes ago, FairWarning said:

And will affect the Watson owners some also.  They wish they kept Stills now I bet.

Did we ever get an explanation for that cut? 

Maybe it was like, "well it sucks we traded Hopkins, but finally we're set at WR, we don't need that guy!" 

Man, life comes at ya fast when you're the Texans. 

[The Frankman 3,281]

9 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.

They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed.

If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication.

No they don't; he just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok. It sounds like he did everything right except ask a person in the medical field who was uninformed.

Edited December 1, 2020 by The Frankman

[osubuckeyeman 182]

29 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Glad that second plus a player I offered didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs.

 He had a career year and now has no risk of injury. He has a big payday coming and this will not matter one bit towards his next contract except missing one pay check next season. He leaves a team that was actively shopping him at the trade deadline. I don't see a downside for him. 

[rockaction 22,965]

1 minute ago, osubuckeyeman said:

 He had a career year and now has no risk of injury. He has a big payday coming and this will not matter one bit towards his next contract except missing one pay check next season. He leaves a team that was actively shopping him at the trade deadline. I don't see a downside for him. 

Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving.

Edited December 1, 2020 by rockaction

[Stompin' Tom Connors 4,241]

10 minutes ago, Nick Vermeil said:

They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test.   

 

3 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

No they don't. He just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok.

Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player.

I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts.

I can also totally see a young athlete going to a specialist and being naive enough to think that all doctors know what they are doing and trust them entirely without questioning or probing.

It's impossible for us to really know which for any given instance (unless you are talking about a guy and situation like Onterrio Smith's). 

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

16 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving.

On the bright side you might be able to acquire him for much less now. 

[tricky92 496]

1 hour ago, starks said:

Lost by 2.4 points this week against a fuller team that nails the coffin for me to make playoffs 😒

I traded Fuller two weeks ago for Allen Robinson (essentially) and Fuller basically knocked out the team most likely to produce a monster playoff run (Henry, Gibson, Moestert, Lamar, Andrews). Crazy what kind of drama the fantasy football season tends to bring.

** The team with Fuller also has Watson. Double wammy.

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by tricky92

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

 

11 minutes ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts.

I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window.

 

[rockaction 22,965]

9 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

On the bright side you might be able to acquire him for much less now. 

I knew there was something up with his newfound health, I just didn't know what. He even ran differently than he had previously. Should have seen it coming.

And whatever he was taking should be legal, IMO, unless it makes his winkie fall off later. Then no bueno.

[GreenNGold 107]

1 hour ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"

He knew exactly what he was doing and was hoping to get away with it for a big contract next year, but he got caught.  He probably figured it was worth the risk, can't say I blame him when the potential payoff is huge, and the downside is probably a similar contract to what he would have gotten otherwise.

Edited December 1, 2020 by GreenNGold

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

 

11 minutes ago, rockaction said:

And whatever he was taking should be legal, IMO, unless it makes his winkie fall off later. Then no bueno.

Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes. 

[rockaction 22,965]

6 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes. 

Yeah, but then all the nanny-staters point to where his winkie once was and weep for the poor, tortured soul that we allowed to do that.

Can't have all those grieving nannies. Lousy optics on the uptake.

Edited December 1, 2020 by rockaction

[travdogg 2,998]

No reason they can't bring stills back.

With how well Watson is playing, I think he's still a solid qb1, but loses his elite ceiling. 

Cooks might be a 12+ target a game guy going forward, and is likely a wr1 down the stretch.

Could see coutee being a top-30 guy, and skins and fells being leaned on more. Especially akins, who could be a te1 in this weak te year.

[shades 139]

1 hour ago, Stompin' Tom Connors said:

 

Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player.

I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts.

I can also totally see a young athlete going to a specialist and being naive enough to think that all doctors know what they are doing and trust them entirely without questioning or probing.

It's impossible for us to really know which for any given instance (unless you are talking about a guy and situation like Onterrio Smith's). 

 

Plus the NFL probably lists a bunch of stuff by certain names, but some new drug that's essentially "one of the banned ones, plus aspirin" won't be listed by name. You'd need a chemist to figure out if it's legal or not.

[Down Under 54]

1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

 

I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window.

 

OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done?  LOL

[Down Under 54]

This is just devastating news though.  Yeah, I'm sure the McCaffrey, et al owners are crying in their beers for me.

[IHEARTFF 1,031]

That explains some things. I'll take this year's version over previous versions. At least you know if you can play him or not this season.

[osubuckeyeman 182]

Here that sigh or relief? It was coming from Green Bay.

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

24 minutes ago, Down Under said:

OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done?  LOL

It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing. 

Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794

Edited December 1, 2020 by Hot Sauce Guy

[IHEARTFF 1,031]

that's not my bag baby

[Johnny Utah #9 223]

Just brutal, but explains some things in retrospect.

The only silver lining in all of this (and I am acknowledging this is a stretch) is at least this saves his owners from throwing him out there against some of those brutal playoff matchups on a “never bench your studs” basis.

I also saves us the possibility of the classic 1st quarter injury, a Fuller special, that would have inevitably happen in a playoff matchup.

But yeah, this is terrible.

 

Edited December 1, 2020 by Johnny Utah #9

[FairWarning 454]

8 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Did we ever get an explanation for that cut? 

Maybe it was like, "well it sucks we traded Hopkins, but finally we're set at WR, we don't need that guy!" 

Man, life comes at ya fast when you're the Texans. 

Not that I have seen.  It sounded like a mutual parting of the ways.  It seemed like all he did was produce when he played.  

 

You're correct about the Texans, they may be the most puzzling team when it comes to personnel moves.

Edited December 1, 2020 by FairWarning

[DAG 261]

Well, much like Fuller’s anatomy, my playoff hopes are shriveling. 

[whole-show 291]

Houston Texans CB Bradley Roby announced late Monday night that he too has been suspended 6 games for violating NFL's performance enhancing substances policy

[Johnny Utah #9 223]

12 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing. 

Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794

I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.

[BoerumHill 171]

14 minutes ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.

I’ve legit been wondering why for three months. Then I read the last half of your sentence very    s l o w l y and laughed out loud.

[Gally 4,688]

13 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing. 

Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others. 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794

 

22 minutes ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.

It's Whizzinator guys......at least get the spelling right.  I mean if a guy is going to go through all that trouble you might as well get the spelling of the product correct in case anybody else is looking for that edge.  You don't want anybody using the off brands for this kind of thing.  

Edited December 1, 2020 by Gally

[Faust 5,000]

What Will Fuller's suspension means for his future with Texans

[jurrassic 224]

So we know this is definitive. No challenge, no appeal? Just don't want to drop the guy and have him play the next 2 weeks. I may have missed it but I have only seen Will Fuller and media outlets report this. Have the Texans and the league released this information?

[Faust 5,000]

Deshaun Watson: 'Very important' that Houston Texans re-sign suspended WR Will Fuller

[onionsack 253]

On 12/1/2020 at 7:27 AM, whole-show said:

Will Fullers statement on his Instagram

“willfullerv Earlier this year, I sought treatment from a medical professional who prescribed medication that he believed to be permitted under the NFL’s drug policy. As it turns out, my trust in this professional was misplaced because this medication was NOT a permitted substance under the NFL Policy on Performance Enhancing Substances. 

As a result of this mistake, I have been suspended for six games for taking this prohibited medication. I want to sincerely apologize to the Texans organization and all of my fans for this mistake. I am looking forward to putting this all behind me and returning better than ever in 2021. 

Thank you, Will”

Link

Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling. 

[rockaction 22,965]

10 minutes ago, onionsack said:

Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling. 

Standards for slander and libel are very high. Often, it's not worth going through legally. 

[Zow 8,504]

On 11/30/2020 at 5:03 PM, Andy Dufresne said:

Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"

Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them...

[Zow 8,504]

On 12/2/2020 at 3:52 PM, jurrassic said:

So we know this is definitive. No challenge, no appeal? Just don't want to drop the guy and have him play the next 2 weeks. I may have missed it but I have only seen Will Fuller and media outlets report this. Have the Texans and the league released this information?

This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now. 

[GreenNGold 107]

27 minutes ago, Zow said:

This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now. 

Yes, it is a done deal, Fuller has issued a statement apologizing and accepting the suspension and stating he will be back in 2021.  Completely droppable in redraft. 

Edited December 4, 2020 by GreenNGold

[Andy Dufresne 11,604]

8 hours ago, Zow said:

Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them...

You mean, like, some sort of "agency"?

[Zow 8,504]

2 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

You mean, like, some sort of "agency"?

Yeah with guys that have at least three years of training in how to interpret rules, look at how judicial bodies have interpreted them, etc. 

I suppose those guys would be overpriced though. 

[Synthesizer 487]

Fuller placed the blame on an unnamed physician, and some people actually believe him?  Come on, don't be so gullible.  Professional athletes with millions of dollars on the line know what substances they are putting in their body, and whether or not those substances are legal in their sport.

[Faust 5,000]

 

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The Houston Chronicle expects the Texans to re-sign Will Fuller.

There's been talk the Texans could move on from Fuller, who's set for unrestricted free agency in March. Fuller managed to stay healthy for the first time in his career before getting suspended for the final five games and Week 1 of next year. Houston has the eighth lowest projected 2021 cap space, but that won't prevent them from bringing back Fuller. Whoever lands the Texans' GM job should focus on locking up Fuller this offseason. 

SOURCE: Houston Chronicle

Dec 4, 2020, 9:35 AM ET