And will affect the Watson owners some also. They wish they kept Stills now I bet.Glad that second plus a player I offered didn't even merit a response. Whoops. Whatever. This isn't the end of his career or anything. He should be good to go next year after a game off, it's just who knows where he'll be. Or what shape he'll be in. Or...okay, enough. This stinks for him and his GMs.
I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"
They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test.I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.
They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed.
If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication.
I was thinking the same about his price in redraft.May be a silver lining in that this makes it much easier for him to resign cheaply in HOU for maybe a 1yr prove it deal. Otherwise HOU probably would not have been able to afford to bring him back without major cuts (they still need to make major cuts anyway.)
Did we ever get an explanation for that cut?And will affect the Watson owners some also. They wish they kept Stills now I bet.
No they don't; he just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok. It sounds like he did everything right except ask a person in the medical field who was uninformed.I don't get this either, or at least how players take ownership for this.
They know they are getting tested regularly. They know the substances that are not allowed.
If I am a player, knowing that the probability of me getting tested for illegal substances is likely 100%, and where NFL careers are short and every games' pay matters, I would be 100% sure of everything I am putting in my body and have someone in my entourage whose job is to get second opinions on any medication.
Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving.He had a career year and now has no risk of injury. He has a big payday coming and this will not matter one bit towards his next contract except missing one pay check next season. He leaves a team that was actively shopping him at the trade deadline. I don't see a downside for him.
They know what they are taking is illegal. They are probably misled on the probability of it triggering a failed test.
Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player.No they don't. He just said he asked a medical professional and they said it was ok.
On the bright side you might be able to acquire him for much less now.Yeah, I was trying to convince myself of that, too, then I just gave up and realized it's certainly a much worse situation than the elation over his Thanksgiving performance and his perceived value going forward right after said Thanksgiving.
I traded Fuller two weeks ago for Allen Robinson (essentially) and Fuller basically knocked out the team most likely to produce a monster playoff run (Henry, Gibson, Moestert, Lamar, Andrews). Crazy what kind of drama the fantasy football season tends to bring.Lost by 2.4 points this week against a fuller team that nails the coffin for me to make playoffs
I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window.I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts.
I knew there was something up with his newfound health, I just didn't know what. He even ran differently than he had previously. Should have seen it coming.On the bright side you might be able to acquire him for much less now.
He knew exactly what he was doing and was hoping to get away with it for a big contract next year, but he got caught. He probably figured it was worth the risk, can't say I blame him when the potential payoff is huge, and the downside is probably a similar contract to what he would have gotten otherwise.Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"
Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes.And whatever he was taking should be legal, IMO, unless it makes his winkie fall off later. Then no bueno.
Yeah, but then all the nanny-staters point to where his winkie once was and weep for the poor, tortured soul that we allowed to do that.Hey, it's his winkie. As long as it doesn't make MY winkie fall off I don't really care what Fuller takes.
Stompin' Tom Connors said:Truth is always somewhere in between and likely varies with each player.
I totally can see a player knowingly taking an illegal substance and thinking that they can fool the test (a la Ontarrio Smith) or not get picked up in the kinds of tests the NFL conducts.
I can also totally see a young athlete going to a specialist and being naive enough to think that all doctors know what they are doing and trust them entirely without questioning or probing.
It's impossible for us to really know which for any given instance (unless you are talking about a guy and situation like Onterrio Smith's).
OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done? LOLHot Sauce Guy said:I mean, once you find yourself carrying around a prosthetic penis (in one of the many exotic ethnic color varieties the Wizinator had available) so that you can urinate through it in order to incorporate a masking substance into your pee, “plausible deniability” sort of goes out the window.
It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing.OMG did this really happen or are you just guesstimating that's how it's done? LOL
Not that I have seen. It sounded like a mutual parting of the ways. It seemed like all he did was produce when he played.Hot Sauce Guy said:Did we ever get an explanation for that cut?
Maybe it was like, "well it sucks we traded Hopkins, but finally we're set at WR, we don't need that guy!"
Man, life comes at ya fast when you're the Texans.
I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing.
Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794
I’ve legit been wondering why for three months. Then I read the last half of your sentence very s l o w l y and laughed out loud.I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.
It literally happened. He was caught at the airport with it in a briefcase with the pump and masking powder, to make it even more embarrassing.
Out of curiosity I checked the website and was delighted to find that you could purchase the "Wizzinator" in Black, Caucasian, Latino, Mixed Race and a few others.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=2061794
It's Whizzinator guys......at least get the spelling right. I mean if a guy is going to go through all that trouble you might as well get the spelling of the product correct in case anybody else is looking for that edge. You don't want anybody using the off brands for this kind of thing.I’m not the biggest fan of the Chris Harris podcast, but I do love the fact that his nickname for Kerryon Johnson is the Wizzinator.
Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling.Will Fullers statement on his Instagram
“willfullerv Earlier this year, I sought treatment from a medical professional who prescribed medication that he believed to be permitted under the NFL’s drug policy. As it turns out, my trust in this professional was misplaced because this medication was NOT a permitted substance under the NFL Policy on Performance Enhancing Substances.
As a result of this mistake, I have been suspended for six games for taking this prohibited medication. I want to sincerely apologize to the Texans organization and all of my fans for this mistake. I am looking forward to putting this all behind me and returning better than ever in 2021.
Thank you, Will”
Link
Standards for slander and libel are very high. Often, it's not worth going through legally.Either Fuller is right, and he should sue the medical professional for malpractice, or (more likely IMO) he's lying and the medical professional should sue Fuller for slander. The fact that neither seems interested in pursuing legal justice is very telling.
Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them...Is there not a 1-800 number these guys can call and ask "Hey, I'm thinking about putting substance X in my body...is it allowed?"
This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now.So we know this is definitive. No challenge, no appeal? Just don't want to drop the guy and have him play the next 2 weeks. I may have missed it but I have only seen Will Fuller and media outlets report this. Have the Texans and the league released this information?
Yes, it is a done deal, Fuller has issued a statement apologizing and accepting the suspension and stating he will be back in 2021. Completely droppable in redraft.This is kind of where I'm at and I came here hoping for definitive answers. Seems like it's a done deal but I'm hesitant to just drop him now.
You mean, like, some sort of "agency"?Or if there was only a profession, which those in that profession that could special in particular areas of practice, whereby people really learn the rules and advise others on how to follow them...
Yeah with guys that have at least three years of training in how to interpret rules, look at how judicial bodies have interpreted them, etc.You mean, like, some sort of "agency"?
The Houston Chronicle expects the Texans to re-sign Will Fuller.
There's been talk the Texans could move on from Fuller, who's set for unrestricted free agency in March. Fuller managed to stay healthy for the first time in his career before getting suspended for the final five games and Week 1 of next year. Houston has the eighth lowest projected 2021 cap space, but that won't prevent them from bringing back Fuller. Whoever lands the Texans' GM job should focus on locking up Fuller this offseason.
SOURCE: Houston Chronicle
Dec 4, 2020, 9:35 AM ET
Yep. That explanation looked like it came from a random PED excuse generator. IIRC the NFL can't disclose what they tested positive for, so it always benefits the player to put an innocent sounding story out.Fuller placed the blame on an unnamed physician, and some people actually believe him? Come on, don't be so gullible. Professional athletes with millions of dollars on the line know what substances they are putting in their body, and whether or not those substances are legal in their sport.
Tough to say what Houston will do when they have no GM and no real head coach. The fact that they moved nobody prior to the trade deadline I think means they will want Fuller back and this suspension will make him cheaper. I’d rather see them restructure Cooks than cut him as they have no one behind Fuller if they bring him back. But either way they need to cut salary badly with a number of guys either needing to be restructured, traded or cut: Watt, Cooks, both DJ’s, Cobb, Mercilus, Kelemete, Cunningham, McKinney, Murray, Roby. Some of these guys are good players that should be retained if they can, just a long list of badly structured or overpaid contracts BOB handed out.Yep. That explanation looked like it came from a random PED excuse generator. IIRC the NFL can't disclose what they tested positive for, so it always benefits the player to put an innocent sounding story out.
On Fuller being re-signed in Houston, I wonder if that means they cut Cooks to make space. I don't think Cooks is overpriced at $12m next year, but he can be released with no dead cap. Or maybe more likely he gets traded once again.
Will Fuller will be suspended for Week 1 of the 2021 season.
Fuller served five of his six-game suspension for a PED violation at the end of the 2020 season, and will have to finish the suspension in the first regular season game of next season. On Monday, suspensions for Fuller and teammate Bradley Roby were temporarily lifted so they can participate in offseason activities. The Texans are expected to re-sign Fuller, who will become an unrestricted free agent in March.
SOURCE: Aaron Wilson on Twitter
Jan 5, 2021, 8:46 AM ET