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I think there's a couple of different conversations going on. And people in one are answering people engaged in the other one and vicey versa. I was trying to be part of Mr. Ected's post about making parents shut up at games and may have inadvertently screwed up other dialogues.
South Jersey and hosting tournaments with that many teams, are you part of the group that hosts Beach Blast ?
I am not but we are hosting one of the Extreme Summer Heats
Yep pretty much. The main problem is the one guy is just clueless and running the show. He doesn't see he's the problem. And they say they don't cater to the "upper athlete". That fine but don't be all pissed when those kids look for other options.
Got ya...Ifor some reason I thought you were talking soccer not softball. We are headed to Wildwood for the More Beach Blast soccer tournament this weekend. You know finish baseball last week so might as well go to a soccer tournament...lol. Actually looking forward to 3 or 4 weeks downtime after that before soccer does start.I am not but we are hosting one of the Extreme Summer Heats
These are fund raising events for our league.
oh. No this is all Softball. I have no idea how our soccer league worksGot ya...Ifor some reason I thought you were talking soccer not softball. We are headed to Wildwood for the More Beach Blast soccer tournament this weekend. You know finish baseball last week so might as well go to a soccer tournament...lol. Actually looking forward to 3 or 4 weeks downtime after that before soccer does start.I am not but we are hosting one of the Extreme Summer Heats
These are fund raising events for our league.
I'd like to hear some opinions from parents whose kids aren't the best or second best players on the team. Doesn't seem there are any in the FFA though.
my 8 and 6 year olds are safely in the bottom 25% on their respective soccer teams
my oldest is all effort but lacks speed and athleticism. if she gets to the ball, look right the #### out. she may well kick it hard enough to go through a kid. but that's if she can contact the ball cleanly without anyone being too close. she's nice enough that she'll let someone else kick it if they're nearby. she'll just wait and let them have their turn. great kid.
she played last night. one of her best friends is on the other team. they were in a situation whereby they were both closing on the ball but my daughter got there first. she started giggling uncontrollably and said "you kick it!"
my 6 year old is the "kid who picks flowers". that team has 2 other kids that are so oblivious and lost, though, that they make mine look like Messi. (i coach them) when they get subbed in the first question (after i can get their attention, not because they're goofing off.. they're both just totally spaced out.. fraternal twins who have the exact same missing attention gene) is "what do i do?" followed closely by "where do i go?"
i played the three of them together on offense Monday night. they didn't move from the midfield stripe the entire quarter. it was a sewing circle for 9 minutes.
Sounds familiar.
Reminds me of when I was on our youth football board. When I got there, there was a feud ongoing with a current member of the board, and a coach. I went to high school with the coach in question, so we knew each other. Board member said we needed to get rid of the coach, and gave a long list of rule bending/breaking he had engaged in. At our league wide meeting (with neighboring associations), the other associations railed me (a new representative for our league) about how we could let this guy coach and we were an embaressment. Our board moved to remove the coach, which resulted him in going scorched earth, and slinging my name through the mud in emails to all of his parents, and everyone else he could get his name on. Good times...good times...
What was this in reference to specifically? My kids play multiple sports, are among the better players in some, are not in others.I'd like to hear some opinions from parents whose kids aren't the best or second best players on the team. Doesn't seem there are any in the FFA though.
And I should edit. She doesn't stink but she's just another kid out there has good moments and bad.
My son was playing in a tennis tournament recently, and one of his matches was cancelled because the other kid and his parents had tickets to Phantom of the Opera, and they left. The tournament organizer had the gall to ask me if we would be willing to reschedule the match at a later date. I was dumb-founded.
That is so weak...you want to act like a wus then deal with the ramifications of your actions...the fact that the organizer had the balls to ask this disgusts me...
this is where different levels of play should come in. You are correct that having fun is a big part but I also believe learning how to work hard, learning how to deal with adversity, learning how to win graciously, and learning how to lose are just as important as having fun.
Agreed. My older son is the better all around athlete. He was the QB in football when he played (two concussions this past fall ended that career). He's usually been one of the better basketball players, but now at high school, he's fallen to the middle of the pack. In baseball, he's got a great glove, might have a shot at varsity as he could be the best defensive 2nd baseman, but he can't hit a lick.
I disagree with this for the most part. This is the reason most of the "major" sports kids can play these days have rec teams and club/select /travel teams. Rec teams are great places for the kids who just want to play a game, but don't want to put the extra work in or have other things that will take priority when there's a conflict. That's why we have rec teams for kids, intramural sports in college, and co-ed beer leagues for adults - because team sports are fun even for those who don't feel like putting the hard work into it.
I think they should also have "drop off" leagues, where parents drop the kids off at a designated place and time and the kids just choose up sides and play. I'm not joking about this.CletiusMaximus said:
I do agree that the key is finding like minded people for team sports. If someone wants to just screw around and not care much they should be on a team with people that feel the same way. It is why there are different levels of play. Much of the discourse comes from parents pushing their kids into levels they don't belong. The kid doesn't want to work and just wants to screw around and is playing with a team that is above that level. It is frustrating for the coach, teammates, kid, and parents. However, it takes a parent that realistically looks at their kids participation/skill level and that doesn't happen very often.CletiusMaximus said:
As the kid that was always picked last, or somewhere close to last, that doesn't sound like fun. And my dad would have always just dropped me off if given that option.
Don't they have this already? It's called going to the park and playing with your friends.
That's how lots of us old guys got started in sports. We didn't even get dropped off, we just got together and played. Depending on who showed, anybody could get picked first -- or last. And sometimes the not so good kids got bigger and better. Figuring out how to make the teams balanced and how to enforce the rules was part of the growing up process.
I don't think it's as easy to do these days, maybe because of the nature of suburbia, the lack of free ranging and the increasing likelihood that kids have tons of entertainment options available without leaving the house.
You forgot to post the email here, chief.well, that was cathartic. helped me send an email to the parents that didn't include threats of violence
let me explain. no, there is too much. let me sum up.
- I have no idea why parents subject themselves to this torture! It is good banter the next day on random innerwebs though. Thanks for sharing, this is a good start to the AM.
was chatting with one of the dads afterwards. his oldest kid babysits my kids. he has three, all play soccer. he's one of those laidback guys who just sits in his lawn chair, mouth shut and watches. he must have been the only quiet one there last night.
Sounds like you need to bring beer and a chair to the next match. No more of this volunteering thing. Also, just to stir the pot a little bit, you should have stopped the game, grabbed the other coach and told her that you were going to make them forfeit if the parents from their side did not shut their pie holes. That would have been epic!
Have seen similar from parents at my kids soccer game when we were in a similar situation of no ref showing up.... however, we had a whistle. Our coach agreed to ref.. and like you, these were 7 year old kids playing, maybe 8. Parents got a little nutso, maybe not as bad as what you had from the sounds of it, but at one point, our coach blew the whistle to stop play, walked over to one particular loud parent from the other side, and handed them the whistle and told them they could ref the game since they were calling it anyway ---- pure silence. It was perfect and it definitely reduced the sideline chatter.well, that was cathartic. helped me send an email to the parents that didn't include threats of violence
