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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (3 Viewers)
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He'll run around. Win some games early as against other weak teams and then DCs will remember how to play defense against that. Usually takes 6 games before a good DC game plans to stop the running and forces him to pass. Or of course he gets broken in 2 since he's only 205 lbs. Then it all falls apart. Then the GM gets fired and they start over.
So what dummy GM takes this guy?
So what dummy GM takes this guy?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Bold prediction: Cleveland drafts Lamar Jackson and Hue Jackson deploys a 2 QB backfield.
Cleveland is really lucky that they don't have to consider this guy at all. They will already have their guy way before this guy gets picked...unless some other GM loses his mind.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I don’t see how a guy who couldn’t post a 60% or better completion percentage in any of his college seasons is going to succeed as a QB in the NFL. No matter how you slice it, in the NFL the QB’s primary job is to distribute the football.
I wish him well, and maybe you shouldn't judge off the bowl game, but he threw 4 interceptions against a team without its HC or DC and only 4 coaches on the sidelines. The same defense whose secondary was repeatedly torched by Alabama, Auburn, Georgia and Ole Miss in its 4 losses.
NREC34
Footballguy
Probably. Most continue to get recycled. Philbin just completed 2 stints destroying whatever he got his hands on and the Packers took him back.
steelers1080
Footballguy
How good is Jackson's WR corps and O-line? Trying to figure out if there's any excuses for his low completion percentage.
Tau837
Footballguy
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
In an age where offensive line blocking is for ####, this ability isn't for nothing.
It sure as hell can be in fantasy. Nothing better than a QB who can throw for 160 yards and a TD and still have a 25 point game because of his legs. He may never be a great real life QB, but to overlook his potential as a fantasy QB is short sighted.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO he won't make it as a long term NFL starting QB. I see RGIII, not Wilson or Vick.
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massraider
Footballguy
Louisville had among the worst drop percentage in the country the last three years. Some guy on Twitter posted completion percentages adjusted for drops:
https://twitter.com/jasonffl/status/961299379767296000
Something to think about in terms of completion percentage:
49.3--62.1--61.6--59.3. Career percentage of 59.9. Those are Matt Ryan college numbers. We heard the same thing about Ryan's completion percentage before the draft.
52.7--55.7--61.4. Career percentage of 57.1. Those are Matthew Stafford college numbers. Went #1 overall.
How about these:
56.0--56.3. Career percentage of 56.2 Those are Josh Allen's numbers.
Lamar Jackson:
54.7--56.2--59.1. Career of 57.0
Baker Mayfield and Josh Allen have real questions about level of competition, yet they are in the group of four QBs that are all considered top 10 talents. Lamar is a notch below---going by draft talk right now.
Allen's completion percentage hasn't improved, Jackson's has, and he started as a true frosh, and has been killing people from day 1. His percentage has gone up every year playing against better competition than ALL the other QBs, his receivers have been near the worst in terms of drops, and he completed 59.1%, which is what, BAD? 60% is good, but 59.1% is bad?
People need to dig deeper on Lamar.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I really like this guy and I am a bit surprised that he hasn't been mocked as a 1st round pick. He seems to have some special traits such as his mobility that merits consideration.
Wouldn’t surprise me if someone traded into the late first and grabbed him. I’m grabbing him in as many dynasties as I can.
BINGBING
Footballguy
There are stories circulating around here that he still hasn't hired an agent, and is working out by throwing to High School kids. It also didn't sound as if there is anybody prepping him for the combine. He will do fine with interviews because he keeps to himself and just play video games a lot, but there should be someone who knows how the underwear olympics work getting him ready.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Do they keep a stat for QBs missing their targets by 10 yds or more?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Stop saying white QBs aren't asked to move. That's a lie. Tim Tebow was asked to move to TE. Tebow went on to win a big playoff game at QB. And the NFL still ran him out of the league. So maybe he should have moved to TE. And not that Edelman was a sought after QB, but he was asked to move to WR. Several rings later it seems like it was a smart move. Scott Frost was moved to safety. Eric Crouch tried to move. Matt Jones was moved to WR. I'm sure there are others.
It's not a black/white thing. It's an athleticism thing. Athletic QBs that have their throwing skills questioned are always going to get these opinions. It's better than being told they have no chance in the NFL, or that they don't have the brains to play QB like happened 25 years ago.
I think Jackson should try QB in the NFL. He's fun to watch and with some footwork coaching he could improve his accuracy. After all those years playing QB I can't imagine giving it up without a fight.
It's not a black/white thing. It's an athleticism thing. Athletic QBs that have their throwing skills questioned are always going to get these opinions. It's better than being told they have no chance in the NFL, or that they don't have the brains to play QB like happened 25 years ago.
I think Jackson should try QB in the NFL. He's fun to watch and with some footwork coaching he could improve his accuracy. After all those years playing QB I can't imagine giving it up without a fight.
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Yenrub
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
DARN good question. My guess is no. Any team thinking about him at WR is probably thinking that some team that is thinking about him at QB will take him earlier than THEY would, so how much time do they wanna spend on this idea of a conversion?
I think this is a more a talking point for NFL media, who are starved for real headlines right now.
Whether you think it's racially motivated or not, whatever. It can't be proved, so why bother with the back and forth?
Whatever the reason, some of these media types are showing their ### on this, whether you think Lamar can make it the NFL or not.
Bill Polian talked about accuracy, but doesn't offer close to the same criticism as Allen. He said he was too short, but also said Johnny Manziel should be in the conversation for the #1 overall pick.
Mel Kiper Jr. is quoted on Josh Allen as saying, ''stats are for losers. He wins." When asked about Jackson, he cited his comp percentage as why he wasn't a 1st rounder. \
I mean, that's some pretty damning contradictions.
The fact is that he's shown enough as a passer to warrant exclusive consideration as a QB.
If I could bet on a player no one is talking about in the top 10 right now, who is going to rocket to the top of the mock drafts and the actual draft, it's Jackson.
massraider
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Yeah, I happen to believe that’s kind of important for QBs. What does that have anything to do with the comment you posted about Allen changing positions? Do you think Allen is capable of playing another position at the NFL level like it appears Jackson would be?
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