matttyl
Footballguy
I heard on the radio they had a 3rd Heisman winner on the team, but I don't think it was an offensive player (and thus not all on the field at the same time)
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QB Lamar Jackson, BAL (1 Viewer)
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dcgangstas
Footballguy
Safe to assume nobody in the least is concerned about Jackson's week 13 matchup vs SF?
Critical week obviously for many as it's the week prior to the fantasy playoffs.
Tempted to pick up Foles (vs TB) just in case I need to break glass in case of emergency. That said, I could use that roster spot to take a shot down the field on a RB lotto ticket.
Critical week obviously for many as it's the week prior to the fantasy playoffs.
Tempted to pick up Foles (vs TB) just in case I need to break glass in case of emergency. That said, I could use that roster spot to take a shot down the field on a RB lotto ticket.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I am not benching him. He played well against NE and while the SF seems real, they can be beat and who better than this dynamic guy?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I love that they went all-in on him in the off-season.
Lamar has progressed as a passer but this is a run-based offense.
The offense has looked different and Harbs has created something the league has never seen before.
Jackson's numbers
- 255 attempts with 168 completions (65.9%)
- 2,036 passing yards
- 15 passing TDs
- 5 INTs
- 106 rushing attempts
- 702 yards
- 6 rushing TDs
- 4 fumbles 0 lost
Total Yards Per Game
- 431.8
- 2nd
- 234.6
- 22nd
- 197.2
- 1st
habsfan
Footballguy
I'm concerned but not "start Nick Foles" concerned. My backup is Ryan so that's a bit more to reflect on.
The Frankman
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
This guy is a cheat code. He's doing things as a runner and passer that Vick, VY, RG3, Wilson, Kaep, Watson never did in their peak years (or were never allowed to), he's on another level wow.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Cardinals slicing up that d right now. Between that and what Lamar did to NE, zero concern.
The_Man
Footballguy
Starting with Lamar’s “Hell yeah, Coach let’s go for it” in Seattle, when he turned a 4th and 2 into an 8-yard TD run, the Ravens have outscored opponents 144-43 in 13+ quarters
Lamar during that stretch:
144.6 QB rating, 51 of 67 for 635 yards, 8 TDs, 0 INT
37 rushes for 273 yds, 7.37 ypc, 4 TDs
Imagine believing that anyone cares what your "take" on Lamar is at this point
Lamar during that stretch:
144.6 QB rating, 51 of 67 for 635 yards, 8 TDs, 0 INT
37 rushes for 273 yds, 7.37 ypc, 4 TDs
Imagine believing that anyone cares what your "take" on Lamar is at this point
Man of Constant Sorrow
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Russell Wilson is still my pick for MVP, but Jackson is certainly in a comfortable 2nd place now.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm in a best ball league where I did just that.What? People were still thinking of sitting him?
I almost started him during his bye week out of respect.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Luckily, I'm not as hard-core as Mark Ingram.Ghost Rider said:
RW vs LJ is a good conversation, imo. I have had it with the Wilson owner in my dyno. The remainder of the season should provide a lot of excitement.
Faust
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Man of Constant Sorrow
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habsfan
Footballguy
Given the Ravens are 8-2 and Jackson was pulled for another 4th quarter, is anyone else starting to get concerned about his fantasy availability in Week 16?
need2know
Footballguy
Patriots are 9-1, and I expect the Ravens would rather be in Baltimore for January games. Reason to keep playing to win.
elguapo07
Footballguy
Koya
Footballguy
You never know, but as of now they are a game behind the Pats, a game ahead of the Chiefs. Not as if they are 3 games ahead of the pack.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I would be more concerned with good players on bad teams. Much better reason to shut them down.
Lamar has only done this for one year (so far). Vick did have the incredible year in Philly that was very similar to what Lamar is doing right now. This could be a single peak year for Lamar (I think he will still be very good just not sure he will match this peak again) similar to that peak year for Vick.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Vick was past his prime by that point after wasting years. Jackson hasn't even entered his prime yet.
I was taking "peak years" as actual production peak not in their career prime age years. Based on your comment you meant it differently.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I just mean Vick's peak may have lasted longer if he wasn't so old by the time that Eagle's season happened. Hard to say.
As has been stated in here, what Lamar is doing is historical so I would guess that he will taper off even if he hasn't hit his "prime" yet. Vick was always a solid FF asset even if his real football performance wasn't there. Lamar and Vick are obvious comps and Lamar will be a great FF asset until his speed drops. Lamar does have a chance to fly way past Vick if his passing keeps developing. Lamar has also had (to this point) a coach that is playing to his strengths rather than trying to change him into something he is not. I am not sure if Vick had that same luxury during his development.
need2know
Footballguy
vick is a good comp but man i have seen more from lamars arm this season than anything i recall from vick. lamar > vick already
Weebs210
Footballguy
Vick's arm was much better than Lamar's. Vick was not very accurate and never really developed that (that could be due to a prison sentence hindering that development) accuracy. It is obvious Lamar has worked on that over the off season but I also think the coaching staff deserves a ton of credit for giving him complimentary weapons to his strengths and developing the offense that also plays well to his strengths. I agree as an all around QB Lamar is well on his way to passing up Vick and has probably done so already if he keeps at this level. My only concern is he has played basically one full NFL season. Things can change in a hurry.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
As a Louisville guy, I don't attempt an objective analysis of LJ too often, as my bias is off the charts. However, I made a comment in this past Sunday's game thread that sums up my opinion pretty well.
I stated that while LJ has "off the charts" level athleticism, I honestly believe that his greatest asset is his field awareness. This plays a very large role in his ability to run, as he seems to have a "bubble" around him that aids in his elusiveness; also resulting in lesser punishment from taking big hits (in most cases - some of his designed runs do expose him to larger hits).
This is also demonstrated in his exceptionally low turnover rate. Outside of week 4 (Cle) & 5 (@Pit) he has no turnovers this year that I am aware of. Last year, he totaled only 4 interceptions, but I am not sure if he had any fumbles resulting in a turnover.
Finally, if my hypothesis is true, then I see no reason that he will not continue to improve as a pocket passer. I played QB at the high school level, and for me, the most difficult thing was awareness while under pressure. It is one thing to have a strong and accurate arm in warm ups and throwing drills, however, it is quite another to keep everything in focus while the walls are collapsing. LJ handles the collapsing pocket while keeping his wits as well as any QB I have ever watched.
The sky is the limit, though I do acknowledge the higher than average injury risk. As a FF manager, I am willing to take that risk. I am also glad that the Ravens are willing to take the risk as well. I also believe that his exceptional awareness mitigates some of the risk, but not all of it.
I stated that while LJ has "off the charts" level athleticism, I honestly believe that his greatest asset is his field awareness. This plays a very large role in his ability to run, as he seems to have a "bubble" around him that aids in his elusiveness; also resulting in lesser punishment from taking big hits (in most cases - some of his designed runs do expose him to larger hits).
This is also demonstrated in his exceptionally low turnover rate. Outside of week 4 (Cle) & 5 (@Pit) he has no turnovers this year that I am aware of. Last year, he totaled only 4 interceptions, but I am not sure if he had any fumbles resulting in a turnover.
Finally, if my hypothesis is true, then I see no reason that he will not continue to improve as a pocket passer. I played QB at the high school level, and for me, the most difficult thing was awareness while under pressure. It is one thing to have a strong and accurate arm in warm ups and throwing drills, however, it is quite another to keep everything in focus while the walls are collapsing. LJ handles the collapsing pocket while keeping his wits as well as any QB I have ever watched.
The sky is the limit, though I do acknowledge the higher than average injury risk. As a FF manager, I am willing to take that risk. I am also glad that the Ravens are willing to take the risk as well. I also believe that his exceptional awareness mitigates some of the risk, but not all of it.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
You make a great point with the field awareness. It's not only what gets you extra yards, it as you said helps find safe outs to avoid big hits. Not a QB, but Barry Sanders also had a lot of that.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
I agree with the Sanders comp.
Also, thnx for clarifying my post. When I read it now, it's kinda confusing on this point.
I am in complete agreement. I alluded to this point in a previous post but not nearly as concise. The term of "field awareness" is perfect to describe how he runs and avoids hits. Compare that to RG3 who took a ton of punishment running because he didn't have that awareness. That is why I agree that Lamar is not your typical running QB so he seems to have less injury risk because of it.
Man of Constant Sorrow
Footballguy
Thnx. I agree with the RGIII point. And, to take that "awareness" beyond just running; in the same game thread I mentioned above, I compared him to D. Watson. In that game, Watson showed off the charts athleticism as well. However, on one particular play, his ability to stay on his feet (from his athleticism) actually backfired on him, because he lost his focus and threw the ball straight into a Balt defender's hands. I am not saying that Watson has bad awareness. I am saying that his awareness failed him on that play. LJ does not lose his focus in that way very often. And, it should improve as the game slows down for him.
Further, awareness plays a much larger role in the passing game than is often cited. People most often talk about the ability to absorb a playbook and then read the defense while going through the progression. This skips what may be the most important part; awareness of the environment. One cannot "read" what they are not "aware" of. Worse, if one is not aware of the actual environment, then one is more likely to assume it corresponds to the "X's & O's" that has been committed to mental & body memory through repetitive practice.
I believe that many QB's are unfairly criticized for their ability to "read" a def. Often, when they are aware, they read perfectly fine. However, in the heat of the game, awareness breaks down, and bad decisions are made not from a bad "read", but from reading faulty data caused by awareness gaps. LJ exceles in this type of awareness as well. He is not overly reliant on the "virtual reality" of a highly practiced play. While it is very important to have this "virtual reality memory" skill (most often demonstrated when the pass is made before a receiver even makes the break in order to get open); it is more important to be aware in order to both avoid mistakes and capitalize on opportunities.
Further, when you are a running QB, this awareness transfers over to the run option plays. So, even before we get to the up-close awareness of eluding defenders, a QB like LJ has a multitude of potential advantages long term, even if his running game is taken away or limited ... which makes him even more difficult to counteract for D coordinators.
I gotta take a walk. Thnx for the LJ talk. I'll prolly think of more.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
What was the correction?Stat correction killed me. If he wasn't a "running quarterback" this wouldn't have happened. Elias has it in for him
yellowdog
Footballguy
Lamar Jackson: from 9 to 10 Rushes.
Lamar Jackson: from 86 to 79 Rushing Yards.
Lamar Jackson: from 1 to 0 Sacks Against.
Lamar Jackson: from 7 to 0 Sack Yards Against.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Oh, damn. I lost by .5 and was hoping for a change in my favor but that Rushing stat could change things big time.
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