Dynasty Value Discussion Thread

[FreeBaGeL 8,863]

Careful trying to pick the Rams offense based on the last 8 games.  This team seems to switch up who the target hogs are like every 8 games.

Edited May 21, 2020 by FreeBaGeL

[Cobbler1 1,098]

24 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

On the topic of Rams, the fact that they drafted one of the developmental move TE guys in the mid rounds this year pretty much locks in stone that their mindset is to let Everett hit FA after this season. That was probable after the Higbee extension but feels even moreso now that they've already gotten a backup plan in place.

Everett flashed big time and this league is desperate for impact at the TE position, as shown by the Hurst trade and other TE moves across the league. Now might be the time to buy if possible. You could wait and hope Higbee stays healthy but then there's always the possibility that McVay keeps running more 2TE sets and goes away from going 3-wide as often (the change that led to Kupp's dip in target share and snap count, that as someone else already mentioned was only camaflouged by his TD numbers down the stretch).

I think this is a pretty good call. If you can get him cheap, do it. Hold for a few months and see where he lands and what he gets paid.

[northern exposure 1,471]

6 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Cooper all day. JJSS did not exactly impress in top dog role.

Before you write off JJSS in the top dog role, remember who the Steelers had at QB last season. I'd wait and see what he does when Big Ben is back.

[ffmail4me 778]

10 hours ago, northern exposure said:

Before you write off JJSS in the top dog role, remember who the Steelers had at QB last season. I'd wait and see what he does when Big Ben is back.

Very true and fair statement. Its why I'm so excited about Diontae Johnson this year as well 

[JohnnyU 3,935]

2 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

Very true and fair statement. Its why I'm so excited about Diontae Johnson this year as well 

People have short memories when it comes to FF.

[Terpman22 212]

Thinking about moving Zeke/rebuilding my last league I haven't drafted yet. Had already traded away Mostert for what is now 2 late 3's (which are pretty valuable this year), and just Mack and lol Carlos Hyde. Drafting 1.6, have all my picks just only have 3 really good pieces in Zeke, Parker, and Ertz. Zeke is just SO PRODUCTIVE, but has like a millions touches already too. Is Something like Miles or Singletary a 1 this year a 1 next year too much? 

[BigTex 859]

On 5/20/2020 at 7:46 PM, Zyphros said:

Akers > Ekeler and Ridley > Jeudy, not even close to me

I'm a big believer in Akers so take that a little lightly.  He constantly was rising up my board the more I looked into him during this rookie process. 

Ridley vs Jeudy seems like an interesting debate for long term purposes but next year I don't think it's close at all in Ridley's favor.  

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I'm also a believer in Akers, at this point I plan to take him over Swift. This could change as our draft is not until the end of August but as of right now I LOVE what I see.

Tex

 

[BigTex 859]

13 minutes ago, Terpman22 said:

Thinking about moving Zeke/rebuilding my last league I haven't drafted yet. Had already traded away Mostert for what is now 2 late 3's (which are pretty valuable this year), and just Mack and lol Carlos Hyde. Drafting 1.6, have all my picks just only have 3 really good pieces in Zeke, Parker, and Ertz. Zeke is just SO PRODUCTIVE, but has like a millions touches already too. Is Something like Miles or Singletary a 1 this year a 1 next year too much? 

If I was you I would wait to move Zeke, there's a chance he'll be the #1 running back in the league this year especially with the addition of Lamb. Teams can no longer put 8 in the box and Zeke is going to eat all day long. I have Zeke and I'm going to wait until after next season as I'm beating I could get top 3 pick and then some.

Tex

[ConnSKINS26 5,718]

20 minutes ago, Terpman22 said:

Thinking about moving Zeke/rebuilding my last league I haven't drafted yet. Had already traded away Mostert for what is now 2 late 3's (which are pretty valuable this year), and just Mack and lol Carlos Hyde. Drafting 1.6, have all my picks just only have 3 really good pieces in Zeke, Parker, and Ertz. Zeke is just SO PRODUCTIVE, but has like a millions touches already too. Is Something like Miles or Singletary a 1 this year a 1 next year too much? 

 

Gotta start by saying that Sanders and Singletary are nowhere close to each other in value so don't start there!

[Buckna 1,401]

On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2020 at 5:41 AM, Cobbler1 said:

Trying to buy. Offered 1.14, guy said a little light for him. 

I was offered the 1.12 in one league for Hunt and passed. There are some WRs I like going in that range but I still much prefer Hunt to them.

In another league I tried to buy and was told they wouldn't have even taken my 1.7 pick for him straight up.

[Terpman22 212]

2 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

 

Gotta start by saying that Sanders and Singletary are nowhere close to each other in value so don't start there!

Haha well, just looking explicitly at who truly might be available as just not everyone will dump a ton of value on Zeke just to have him, but I feel ya there. I personally have Miles a bit higher than Singletary. 

[ffmail4me 778]

5 hours ago, BigTex said:

If I was you I would wait to move Zeke, there's a chance he'll be the #1 running back in the league this year especially with the addition of Lamb. Teams can no longer put 8 in the box and Zeke is going to eat all day long. I have Zeke and I'm going to wait until after next season as I'm beating I could get top 3 pick and then some.

Tex

IF, IF, IF the Cowboys are smart enough to utilize him properly. I honestly think they made a mistake throwing so much last year...that team was built from the line and run game first...yes its great Dak has really matured and showed to be a good QB...and they are improving their WRs every year...but I think its to the detriment of the team to get pass happy and not control the clock and game with Zeke. But then again, I'm a Redskin fan and don't mind if they continually underachieve

[rockaction 23,234]

Hunt might now officially be overvalued. 

[Hankmoody 3,756]

5 hours ago, Terpman22 said:

Thinking about moving Zeke/rebuilding my last league I haven't drafted yet. Had already traded away Mostert for what is now 2 late 3's (which are pretty valuable this year), and just Mack and lol Carlos Hyde. Drafting 1.6, have all my picks just only have 3 really good pieces in Zeke, Parker, and Ertz. Zeke is just SO PRODUCTIVE, but has like a millions touches already too. Is Something like Miles or Singletary a 1 this year a 1 next year too much? 

Wait you aren't asking if Sanders is too much for EZE are you?   Or if Singletary and a 1 are too much? 

[Terpman22 212]

12 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Wait you aren't asking if Sanders is too much for EZE are you?   Or if Singletary and a 1 are too much? 

No, I should clarify as my wording is not clear. Hypothetically speaking a 1st round pick this year + a 2021 1st + a RB like Sanders or Singletary.

Just completed a trade with this same team (Ertz/Parker for 1.7+2.9+2.12) so the time is nigh. Cannot move Zeke without a RB or top 3/4 included in a deal at this point. 

[Milkman 2,348]

2 hours ago, rockaction said:

Hunt might now officially be overvalued. 

He wasn't a month ago. Think he gets a good starting gig next year and he's a sneaky RB2 this year. He's good man. 

[rockaction 23,234]

1 minute ago, Milkman said:

He wasn't a month ago. Think he gets a good starting gig next year and he's a sneaky RB2 this year. He's good man. 

Nope. You're right. He's good. There's no doubt. See further up the thread for my thoughts, anyway. He was about a high second-rounder a month ago. Now you have to break the bank.

[Vandelay 223]

56 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Nope. You're right. He's good. There's no doubt. See further up the thread for my thoughts, anyway. He was about a high second-rounder a month ago. Now you have to break the bank.

This was certainly not the case in any of my leagues.  More like a late 1st.

[rockaction 23,234]

11 minutes ago, Vandelay said:

This was certainly not the case in any of my leagues.  More like a late 1st.

I meant early second-round. Like 2.01 or 2.02 or .03. Probably not "high" as you understood it. He's still valued at next year's 2.01 per Roto Underworld's Trade Dominator. That's the market rate for him. Maybe the owners in all our Hunt leagues are just savvy fellows.

Edited May 23, 2020 by rockaction

[EBF 1,924]

Here's one for you guys:

What's Ingram's rookie pick value in a PPR? We have only one mandatory RB slot, but lots of flex spots.

Dobbins fell to me at 1.05 in the rookie draft and I'd like to lock up the backfield if I can do it for cheap, but I also don't want to give up a decent pick for a 30 year old RB in what looks like a committee. I liked Ingram a lot for last year's redraft leagues, but it's a very different landscape now after the Dobbins pick and it feels like buying him now might be dumping assets for an unusable FF RB3 who gets you 8-12 ppg and makes no difference in the W-L column.

[rockaction 23,234]

27 minutes ago, EBF said:

Here's one for you guys:

What's Ingram's rookie pick value in a PPR? We have only one mandatory RB slot, but lots of flex spots.

Dobbins fell to me at 1.05 in the rookie draft and I'd like to lock up the backfield if I can do it for cheap, but I also don't want to give up a decent pick for a 30 year old RB in what looks like a committee. I liked Ingram a lot for last year's redraft leagues, but it's a very different landscape now after the Dobbins pick and it feels like buying him now might be dumping assets for an unusable FF RB3 who gets you 8-12 ppg and makes no difference in the W-L column.

I'd think mid-to-late second round and that's what the calcs immediately seem to say, some in the middle some at the end.

[fruity pebbles 3,255]

Mid 2nd imo.

[Zyphros 1,897]

12 hours ago, EBF said:

Here's one for you guys:

What's Ingram's rookie pick value in a PPR? We have only one mandatory RB slot, but lots of flex spots.

Dobbins fell to me at 1.05 in the rookie draft and I'd like to lock up the backfield if I can do it for cheap, but I also don't want to give up a decent pick for a 30 year old RB in what looks like a committee. I liked Ingram a lot for last year's redraft leagues, but it's a very different landscape now after the Dobbins pick and it feels like buying him now might be dumping assets for an unusable FF RB3 who gets you 8-12 ppg and makes no difference in the W-L column.

I try my best to never pay premium picks for devalued assets.  Ingram is the "young" Frank Gore.  His legs seem fresh even though he's 30 and he goes to clog up backfields now in his career.  I have him in between Ke'Shawn Vaughn and Zack Moss in my dynasty rankings, which is the same as a mid-late 2nd.  If I owned him, I probably want an early 2nd unless I need him for the year, then I probably want more.  If you're just cashing out to get whatever you can, any 2nd and I'd do it.  Might even do it for a 3rd and a deep devalued guy like Isabella or something depending on the player.  

[Catbird 186]

One year rental. If he stays healthy, gradually decreasing value as the year winds along. Win now or don't bother. 

[IHEARTFF 1,059]

Ingram is still worth buying and shouldn’t cost his likely level of production. Offer late 2. 

[ZWK 1,969]

13 hours ago, EBF said:

Here's one for you guys:

What's Ingram's rookie pick value in a PPR? We have only one mandatory RB slot, but lots of flex spots.

Early 3rd. After Dillon/Gibson/Moss, before Bowden/Evans/Kelley.

[EBF 1,924]

4 minutes ago, ZWK said:

Early 3rd. After Dillon/Gibson/Moss, before Bowden/Evans/Kelley.

Consensus seems to be mid 2nd, but early 3rd feels right to me as well.

Seems disrespectful to Ingram, but most of his career is burned at this point, Lamar was already a vulture, and now there's Dobbins too.

Just seems like a really small pie for him moving forward.

Edited May 23, 2020 by EBF

[joey 1,497]

Disagreement with a guy in my league over value of Slayton WR NYG. He says future 1st. I say no way, much less. 
thoughts?

[fruity pebbles 3,255]

8 minutes ago, joey said:

Disagreement with a guy in my league over value of Slayton WR NYG. He says future 1st. I say no way, much less. 
thoughts?

Not worth a future 1st

[IHEARTFF 1,059]

It’s close though. Early 2020 2nd seems pretty fair. 

[joey 1,497]

3 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

It’s close though. Early 2020 2nd seems pretty fair. 

Oh yeah. 2020 rookie draft is already over. This is 2021 future 1st value. 

[Hankmoody 3,756]

22 hours ago, Terpman22 said:

No, I should clarify as my wording is not clear. Hypothetically speaking a 1st round pick this year + a 2021 1st + a RB like Sanders or Singletary.

Just completed a trade with this same team (Ertz/Parker for 1.7+2.9+2.12) so the time is nigh. Cannot move Zeke without a RB or top 3/4 included in a deal at this point. 

Ok well to start off with there's a WORLD of difference between Miles Sanders and Singletary.  I'm not looking to move EZE at all but I would probably do it for Sanders + a couple firsts depending on the 100% absolute randomness that predicting future 1st rounders is.  I wouldn't consider Singletary plus two 1sts unless this year's was 1.01 - 1.04 and even that's unlikely.

[Hankmoody 3,756]

1 hour ago, joey said:

Disagreement with a guy in my league over value of Slayton WR NYG. He says future 1st. I say no way, much less. 
thoughts?

I offered my 2021 1st in a 16 man league.  I'm loaded and have won the last two years so good chance it's a last-4 pick so it feels a lot more like giving up an early 2nd.  I'd happily give any 2nd round pick for him.  He looked the part and his QB should be better.  They brought no one in to take reps.

[Vandelay 223]

2 hours ago, joey said:

Oh yeah. 2020 rookie draft is already over. This is 2021 future 1st value. 

I have him in several leagues and unless I was depending on him with a contending roster, which seems contradictory, id take any future 1st.  I like him as a player but don't see him ever becoming even a high end WR2.  More like a 200 point ppr guy, which in FFPC format types is basically a dime a dozen.

FWIW, I think Slayton is a good comp for Ruggs.  The rook is a notch faster but there are a lot of similarities.

[Andy Dufresne 11,751]

2 hours ago, joey said:

Disagreement with a guy in my league over value of Slayton WR NYG. He says future 1st. I say no way, much less. 
thoughts?

I tried to get a 2nd from just about every team in two different leagues to no avail.

Best I did was trading him for Zack Moss post-draft in a PPR.

No, he's not worth a 1st.

[RC94 2,001]

Slayton has too much upside to trade for anything less than a future 1st IMO.  He's young, has a promising and upcoming QB, has already played well in the NFL, and has a lot of upside.  I don't see the point to trading a player like that at all, so I would have to get a future 1st otherwise I would rather keep him.

[JohnnyU 3,935]

7 minutes ago, RC94 said:

Slayton has too much upside to trade for anything less than a future 1st IMO.  He's young, has a promising and upcoming QB, has already played well in the NFL, and has a lot of upside.  I don't see the point to trading a player like that at all, so I would have to get a future 1st otherwise I would rather keep him.

No one is getting a 1st for Slayton, so he can just stay on whatever teams he's on.

[RC94 2,001]

Just now, JohnnyU said:

No one is getting a 1st for Slayton, so he can just stay on whatever teams he's on.

I'm fine with that in the leagues I have him.

[Andy Dufresne 11,751]

Slayton had two 100 yard games and only three games with 5+ catches. Very TD dependent.

He just looks like a very boom or bust type - which could have a place depending on your roster.

He's a fun NFL player but likely a frustrating FFB one.

[joey 1,497]

1 hour ago, JohnnyU said:

No one is getting a 1st for Slayton, so he can just stay on whatever teams he's on.

And he sure didn’t get a 1st for him from me either.

Our trade didn’t go thru since I saw Slayton as more of a dart throw and wasnt the focus of the trade and he thought I was massively lowballing him.

is it also worth noting that Slayton only turned it on a bit after both Tate and Sheppard were dinged up? (read that somewhere but don’t follow the giants so don’t know if that’s totally true)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

Two QBs, what’s their current value in a superflex no-cap dynasty league? 

1. Derrick Carr

Pick #?

player _____________?

2 Jameis Winston
 

Pick #?

player _____________?

[lardonastick 942]

25 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Two QBs, what’s their current value in a superflex no-cap dynasty league? 

1. Derrick Carr

Pick #?

player _____________?

2 Jameis Winston
 

Pick #?

player _____________?

Both Carr and Winston were picked in the 13th round in my recent startup, as were Bryan Edwards and Darrynton Evans. Hope this helps.

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 678]

New to dynasty. Light on QBs in a superflex league. What is a QB worth? Like let's say a guy like Sam Darnold. Young, hasn't shown a ton but could have some potential. Any help/discussion would be great. Thank you!

Edited May 24, 2020 by Twenty-Four Eighty-Four

[JoeJoe88 456]

2 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

New to dynasty. Light on QBs in a superflex league. What is a QB worth? Like let's say a guy like Sam Darnold. Young, hasn't shown a ton but could have some potential. Any help/discussion would be great. Thank you!

Depends if it’s 1QB or SF or 2QB. Obviously a ton more if it’s the latter. If it’s 1QB, I would definitely not overpay for any QB outside of the top four or five guys. 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four 678]

18 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

Depends if it’s 1QB or SF or 2QB. Obviously a ton more if it’s the latter. If it’s 1QB, I would definitely not overpay for any QB outside of the top four or five guys. 

Thanks for the input. It's a SF.

13 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

SF, Darnold is worth 1.09-10 or so. 

What about a current player? I know it can be dependent on rosters and such. Sorry for the rookie questions, I'm new to dynasty. Thanks for the help!

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

52 minutes ago, lardonastick said:

Both Carr and Winston were picked in the 13th round in my recent startup, as were Bryan Edwards and Darrynton Evans. Hope this helps.

Interesting - I would think Carr would be worth more. 

[Hankmoody 3,756]

38 minutes ago, JoeJoe88 said:

43 minutes ago, Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:

New to dynasty. Light on QBs in a superflex league. What is a QB worth? Like let's say a guy like Sam Darnold. Young, hasn't shown a ton but could have some potential. Any help/discussion would be great. Thank you!

Depends if it’s 1QB or SF or 2QB. Obviously a ton more if it’s the latter. If it’s 1QB, I would definitely not overpay for any QB outside of the top four or five guys. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy 8,910]

20 minutes ago, Dr. BD said:

Winston was just released on our first waivers... Hoping to grab him tomorrow. He can actually see now

He’s a great acquisition candidate IMO. 

[FreeBaGeL 8,863]

4 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Slayton had two 100 yard games and only three games with 5+ catches. Very TD dependent.

He just looks like a very boom or bust type - which could have a place depending on your roster.

He's a fun NFL player but likely a frustrating FFB one.

Weekly consistency isn't something that really tracks well from year to year for WRs*, but this is doubly triply quadruply true for rookie WRs.  Outside of Anquan Bolden and Randy Moss even the great rookie WR seasons are very inconsistent week to week.

 

*My favorite example of this is Ochocinco.  One year everyone hated him because while he put up good end up year numbers, he did it in the most maddeningly boring way possible putting up the same 6 catches for the same 85 yards every week but he never had those big blowup "win your game for you on his own" type weeks.  Then the next year everyone hated him because while he put up good end of year numbers, it all came on the back of 3 insanely monster games and he was really bad the rest of the year with no consistency and a really low floor.

Edited May 24, 2020 by FreeBaGeL

[dipandglide 372]

5 hours ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Slayton had two 100 yard games and only three games with 5+ catches. Very TD dependent.

He just looks like a very boom or bust type - which could have a place depending on your roster.

He's a fun NFL player but likely a frustrating FFB one.

This. You sell these guys before the true alpha arrives at the scene. I would sell for a mid-2nd in this class in a heart beat.

Edited May 24, 2020 by dipandglide