Dynasty Value Discussion Thread

[frae 25]

Anyone seen a trade with Cam Newton in a SF league?  I have 4 starting qb's in a 12 team league (watson, m ryan, brees, and cam) and just exploring what Cam is worth.  Is it a 2021 1st?  Is it more than that, is it one of this years WR's like Jefferson or Reagor?  Just looking for a ballpark of what I might be able to get.  

[smbkrypt24 368]

2 minutes ago, frae said:

Anyone seen a trade with Cam Newton in a SF league?  I have 4 starting qb's in a 12 team league (watson, m ryan, brees, and cam) and just exploring what Cam is worth.  Is it a 2021 1st?  Is it more than that, is it one of this years WR's like Jefferson or Reagor?  Just looking for a ballpark of what I might be able to get.  

Before his play last week and when Damien Harris was all the hype as NE starting RB I sold Newton and Harris for a 2023 1st and 2nd.  I was told it was light, but my team is in rebuild so I want picks not older assets that put up points.

After seeing Newton in week 1 I there is a possibility someone would have paid more for him than what I sold him for.

[jm192 1,719]

Anyone sold on:

David Johnson

Gurley

Singletary

Snell

Malcom Brown?

[jm192 1,719]

Looking at buying low on Akers.  

Offered Snell/Singletary/MVS.  

Too much?

[Boone22 338]

3 minutes ago, jm192 said:

Looking at buying low on Akers.  

Offered Snell/Singletary/MVS.  

Too much?

Is this Dynasty?  If so, as an Akers owner I’d take that IF I had the room on my roster.  I’d definitely try to “make” room. 

[barackdhouse 2,040]

2 hours ago, jm192 said:

Anyone sold on:

David Johnson

Gurley

Singletary

Snell

Malcom Brown?

1/5 

[BearsFan4Life 198]

12 minutes ago, Boone22 said:

Is this Dynasty?  If so, as an Akers owner I’d take that IF I had the room on my roster.  I’d definitely try to “make” room. 

I own Akers in dynasty and would not deal him for that cluster after 1 game.

[jm192 1,719]

23 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

1/5 

What'd you get?

[jm192 1,719]

57 minutes ago, Boone22 said:

Is this Dynasty?  If so, as an Akers owner I’d take that IF I had the room on my roster.  I’d definitely try to “make” room. 

I'm surprised to hear it.  Can you expand on your thinking a bit?

I would think people are low on Singletary now.  I'm hoping MVS is a bit of a sell high.  

Snell is the tough one to place.  Is there a chance he's the man in Pitt next year?

[lardonastick 942]

Price check on James Robinson? For those who are thinking of cashing in your found money, what are you looking for? Future 2nd rounder from the right owner? 

[TVT 0 N S T A 32]

15 minutes ago, lardonastick said:

Price check on James Robinson? For those who are thinking of cashing in your found money, what are you looking for? Future 2nd rounder from the right owner? 

I think if you are trading a 2nd for James Robinson, you are in real dire straits and not in a win now mode.  The backfield in Jacksonville is murky, from a dynasty perspective.  I wouldn't trade a 2nd for Robinson after 1 game.  I would after a couple high snap % games, but then a James Robinson owner is going to think he's more valuable than a 2nd... amirite?

[FreeBaGeL 8,840]

7 hours ago, frae said:

Anyone seen a trade with Cam Newton in a SF league?  I have 4 starting qb's in a 12 team league (watson, m ryan, brees, and cam) and just exploring what Cam is worth.  Is it a 2021 1st?  Is it more than that, is it one of this years WR's like Jefferson or Reagor?  Just looking for a ballpark of what I might be able to get.  

Someone in one of my FFPC SF leagues posted that he's available for a 2021 1st after Sunday's game and he hasn't been moved yet.  I'm flush with QBs in that league but I'm surprised someone else hasn't jumped in and taken it.  Worth noting that QBs are worth slightly less in FFPC SF than typical SF leagues as the smaller roster limits make it not totally impossible to find a QB on the WW at some points during the year.

[FreeBaGeL 8,840]

1 hour ago, TVT 0 N S T A said:

I think if you are trading a 2nd for James Robinson, you are in real dire straits and not in a win now mode.  The backfield in Jacksonville is murky, from a dynasty perspective.  I wouldn't trade a 2nd for Robinson after 1 game.  I would after a couple high snap % games, but then a James Robinson owner is going to think he's more valuable than a 2nd... amirite?

I think your last sentence kind of contradicts your first two.

Someone doesn't have to be counting on James Robinson to trade for him.  They could be thinking it's a realistic possiblity that he will get those couple high snap % games over the next few weeks and his value will increase to more than a 2nd.

He just put up 90 total yards and almost 70% of the team's stats in his first career game and has minimal competition.  Yeah he probably washes out but a lot of people thought that about Alfred Morris after his very similar rookie week 1 too.

[frae 25]

48 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Someone in one of my FFPC SF leagues posted that he's available for a 2021 1st after Sunday's game and he hasn't been moved yet.  I'm flush with QBs in that league but I'm surprised someone else hasn't jumped in and taken it.  Worth noting that QBs are worth slightly less in FFPC SF than typical SF leagues as the smaller roster limits make it not totally impossible to find a QB on the WW at some points during the year.

Yeah I was exploring moving him and I got an offer I liked this afternoon and took Justin Jefferson and a 2021 2nd.  I figured it was like a 2020 1st and 2021 2nd so pretty good return on a guy I took in the 16th round and would have to sit two of Deshaun Watson, Matt Ryan and Drew Brees to play this year.

[rockaction 23,173]

11 hours ago, KChusker said:

Wut?

Chubb is nowhere near Zeke in dynasty or redraft

Chubb was around 600 points to Zeke's 650 in the Dynasty League Football calc two months ago, which is pretty much the standard when it comes to assessing value from ADP. I'd imagine the disparity has grown much greater now the Zeke is over COVID and Chubb appears to be in a battle for touches with Hunt.

They were very close in the summer rankings at RB.

eta* Zeke's now around 830 and Chubb is at 650. It'd theoretically take someone like Will Fuller or Michael Gallup to get the deal fair according to ADP. But we know that's a lopsided deal for the side getting Zeke. I'm just telling you how the industry values Chubb.

Edited September 16, 2020 by rockaction

[Boone22 338]

4 hours ago, jm192 said:

I'm surprised to hear it.  Can you expand on your thinking a bit?

I would think people are low on Singletary now.  I'm hoping MVS is a bit of a sell high.  

Snell is the tough one to place.  Is there a chance he's the man in Pitt next year?

I’m sure this won’t be the consensus and I’m somewhat out on an island but I see the trade this way...

Singletary was RB#16 in my league last year.  Yes they added Moss so he’s got competition but Singletary also averaged over 5 ypc so he’s no slouch.  Akers is going to be given the opportunity to “be the man” but he also has completion with Brown and Henderson.  So both players are in a timeshare for the foreseeable future.  So I don’t see a lot of difference in value between them right now.  Now Akers could run away with the job and be a clear cut bell cow in a few games but that’s always a risk when you make a trade.  I like Snell longer term in Pitt as I don’t think Connor will be there past this year.  So I see Snell as making up the difference in value between Singletary and Akers.  MVS is purely a bench/depth guy and has no meaningful value in the trade (for me).  

[barackdhouse 2,040]

10 hours ago, jm192 said:

What'd you get?

Sorry, I misread what was being asked. I thought the question was "Is anyone sold on these guys?" As opposed to "who has sold them?"

I actually bought DJ in one dynasty recently for Jefferson and then a 3rd for a 4th (I forget which direction).

I did pick up Snell in a couple spots and put him on my block but no nibbles yet. Gotta see what Conner does.

[skycriesmary 661]

Dobbins or Swift and 2021 1st?

[Biabreakable 5,099]

11 minutes ago, skycriesmary said:

Dobbins or Swift and 2021 1st?

Dobbins.

[NightStalkers 67]

42 minutes ago, skycriesmary said:

Dobbins or Swift and 2021 1st?

I would take Swift and the pick.  Especially if it is possible to be 8th or lower.  Dobbins has 2 other rb's to deal with just like swift.  Remember swift dropped the winning touchdown.  Shows that Stafford had confidence in him.  Swift was always the higher rated prospect since high school i think.  I say this as a dynasty owner who has a team with CEH, Taylor, Dobbins, and Swift.  If i move any of them it might be CEH.  He is already at 5 overall in ADP, can't move up much more....

[TVT 0 N S T A 32]

15 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I think your last sentence kind of contradicts your first two.

Someone doesn't have to be counting on James Robinson to trade for him.  They could be thinking it's a realistic possiblity that he will get those couple high snap % games over the next few weeks and his value will increase to more than a 2nd.

He just put up 90 total yards and almost 70% of the team's stats in his first career game and has minimal competition.  Yeah he probably washes out but a lot of people thought that about Alfred Morris after his very similar rookie week 1 too.

Yeah, you aren't wrong.  I guess I was just saying the market for James Robinson is going to be a difficult one, because of the future of that backfield after year 1.  Redraft - I'd be all in.  However, nobody - including the Jacksonville front office, knows what the future brings for anyone on that team.

If I am trading a 2nd (this year at 2.8 I got A. Gibson) - then I am really sold on the longevity of James Robinson as a running back for the next few years.  I just think his future is difficult to forecast and after 1 game, I am not sure he is the guy going to propel a good team into a great team but any value thread is going to pose lineup questions

[tombonneau 985]

17 hours ago, lardonastick said:

Price check on James Robinson? For those who are thinking of cashing in your found money, what are you looking for? Future 2nd rounder from the right owner? 

M.Thomas owner. Debating on offering him s/u to Sanders owner who is weak at RB3 but deep at WR (14-teamer and he is benching AJ Brown!). I'd expect offer to be accepted pretty quickly.

[smbkrypt24 368]

8 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

M.Thomas owner. Debating on offering him s/u to Sanders owner who is weak at RB3 but deep at WR (14-teamer and he is benching AJ Brown!). I'd expect offer to be accepted pretty quickly.

Couple questions. Redraft or Dynstay? E. Sanders or M. Sanders?

[tombonneau 985]

56 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

Couple questions. Redraft or Dynstay? E. Sanders or M. Sanders?

Dynasty. (You forced me to double-check thread I posted in though.  )

And E.Sanders (own Thomas).

[JoeSteeler 3,407]

Was offered a trade for Fant and told the opener it was a terrible offer, which I am sure he did not like. Am I wrong?

16 team PPR, IDP can start 1-3 TE

Dissly, Will SEA TE; Year 2022 Round 4, Year 2022 Round 5 

for

 Fant, Noah DEN TE; Houston, Justin IND DE

 

[JohnnyU 3,934]

Just now, JoeSteeler said:

Was offered a trade for Fant and told the opener it was a terrible offer, which I am sure he did not like. Am I wrong?

16 team PPR, IDP can start 1-3 TE

Dissly, Will SEA TE; Year 2022 Round 4, Year 2022 Round 5 

for

 Fant, Noah DEN TE; Houston, Justin IND DE

 

Yeah, that belongs in the worst trade offer thread.  Hard to believe what goes on in some people's mind in how they justify that.  

[tangfoot 1,998]

1 hour ago, JoeSteeler said:

Was offered a trade for Fant and told the opener it was a terrible offer, which I am sure he did not like. Am I wrong?

16 team PPR, IDP can start 1-3 TE

Dissly, Will SEA TE; Year 2022 Round 4, Year 2022 Round 5 

for

 Fant, Noah DEN TE; Houston, Justin IND DE

Fant was a 1st round rookie pick in most leagues last year and you offered up two bits for him a few days after he ####### exploded in the 1st half of his game.  If you want to get serious, it's going to take a draft pick commensurate with where he was taken in 2019 to even begin the conversation.  And his owner likely now values him significantly higher than that.

[smbkrypt24 368]

4 hours ago, tombonneau said:

Dynasty. (You forced me to double-check thread I posted in though.  )

And E.Sanders (own Thomas).

Giving Michael Thomas for Emmanuel Sanders in any dynasty league would be a big mistake.

[ConnSKINS26 5,718]

36 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

Giving Michael Thomas for Emmanuel Sanders in any dynasty league would be a big mistake.

He’s saying he’d offer James Robinson for Sanders because he’s the MT owner

[rockaction 23,173]

4 hours ago, JoeSteeler said:

Was offered a trade for Fant and told the opener it was a terrible offer, which I am sure he did not like. Am I wrong?

16 team PPR, IDP can start 1-3 TE

Dissly, Will SEA TE; Year 2022 Round 4, Year 2022 Round 5 

for

 Fant, Noah DEN TE; Houston, Justin IND DE

No, that's just awful.

[Drezden 28]

M.Thomas value at this moment ? I am in very competitive 16 teams league, M.Thomas on the block, owner would like Odell and 1,2 next year, I am not doing that simply because I will not survive 6 weeks without Thomas and will kill my future. Let me think what is Thomas value now ??

[smbkrypt24 368]

45 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

He’s saying he’d offer James Robinson for Sanders because he’s the MT owner

Didn't follow his original post, but re-reading it that makes more sense than offering M. Thomas for E. Sanders.

[smbkrypt24 368]

7 hours ago, tombonneau said:

M.Thomas owner. Debating on offering him s/u to Sanders owner who is weak at RB3 but deep at WR (14-teamer and he is benching AJ Brown!). I'd expect offer to be accepted pretty quickly.

If you need help at WR I see that as a good trade. E. Sanders was on injury report today / didn't practice so I might see if he is healthy before pulling the trigger though.

[kutta 5,497]

21 minutes ago, smbkrypt24 said:

If you need help at WR I see that as a good trade. E. Sanders was on injury report today / didn't practice so I might see if he is healthy before pulling the trigger though.

This is a dynasty trade thread. That’s a terrible trade. Why would anyone do that?

[smbkrypt24 368]

45 minutes ago, kutta said:

This is a dynasty trade thread. That’s a terrible trade. Why would anyone do that?

I don't see Robinson as anything more than a stop gap RB and will be replaced.  If not this year, next year.  E Sanders should be heavily targeted in a NO now with Thomas down until approximately week 7.  It could even take Thomas some more time to heal and adjust once back to playing.  E. Sanders has been a very good WR for the past few years.

That is why someone would do that.

[FreeBaGeL 8,840]

1 hour ago, Drezden said:

M.Thomas value at this moment ? I am in very competitive 16 teams league, M.Thomas on the block, owner would like Odell and 1,2 next year, I am not doing that simply because I will not survive 6 weeks without Thomas and will kill my future. Let me think what is Thomas value now ??

I would move Odell+1st/2nd for Thomas pretty easily, personally.

Time to go MT shopping I guess.

Edited September 17, 2020 by FreeBaGeL

[JoeSteeler 3,407]

5 hours ago, tangfoot said:

Fant was a 1st round rookie pick in most leagues last year and you offered up two bits for him a few days after he ####### exploded in the 1st half of his game.  If you want to get serious, it's going to take a draft pick commensurate with where he was taken in 2019 to even begin the conversation.  And his owner likely now values him significantly higher than that.

I have Fant

[kutta 5,497]

1 hour ago, smbkrypt24 said:

I don't see Robinson as anything more than a stop gap RB and will be replaced.  If not this year, next year.  E Sanders should be heavily targeted in a NO now with Thomas down until approximately week 7.  It could even take Thomas some more time to heal and adjust once back to playing.  E. Sanders has been a very good WR for the past few years.

That is why someone would do that.

I misread the post like others above. I thought he was giving Michael Thomas for Sanders.

Carry on.

[tangfoot 1,998]

43 minutes ago, JoeSteeler said:

I have Fant

Yeah, I saw that later. You can send my response to the guy that wants him, lol!

[Birdie048 314]

21 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

I would move Odell+1st/2nd for Thomas pretty easily, personally.

Time to go MT shopping I guess.

While I can understand shopping MT (Brees gone next year?), and I would accept that for MT.  OBJ needs a better QB to really elevate his game.  OBJ rumors to NE or SF would make that an overpay IMO.  

Reports are coming out on how "surprised how far he progressed" in recovery and with the Monday game, there is chance he plays.  Might not miss 6 weeks after all!  

[ConnSKINS26 5,718]

If I were an OBJ owner I would not want him in SF or NE.

[JFS171 838]

Price check on Minshew?  It’s a Superflex league so young QB with upside has value, but at the same time if the Jags have a bad season, new coaching staff, etc. does Minshew get drafted over and replaced?  Would he get traded to start somewhere else?  Basically what’s the confidence level in Minshew right now?

His owner offered me Minshew, 2021 3 (probably early), and FAAB for two late 2021 2s. It seems very reasonable at first blush but I’m wondering what I’m missing. 

[robb 71]

It’s almost like Minchew & FAAB for a 2nd then. Sounds like a great deal to me!

[kutta 5,497]

25 minutes ago, JFS171 said:

Price check on Minshew?  It’s a Superflex league so young QB with upside has value, but at the same time if the Jags have a bad season, new coaching staff, etc. does Minshew get drafted over and replaced?  Would he get traded to start somewhere else?  Basically what’s the confidence level in Minshew right now?

His owner offered me Minshew, 2021 3 (probably early), and FAAB for two late 2021 2s. It seems very reasonable at first blush but I’m wondering what I’m missing. 

Seems reasonable to me. I don’t have a ton of faith in the guy, but he’s probably worth that if you need another QB.

[Zyphros 1,893]

I play mostly Superflex and 2QB leagues.  I have a few 1QB leagues this year and need a QB of the future.  Thinking about offering Akers -> Lamar Jackson.  Is this close or no?  

[JFS171 838]

10 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

I play mostly Superflex and 2QB leagues.  I have a few 1QB leagues this year and need a QB of the future.  Thinking about offering Akers -> Lamar Jackson.  Is this close or no?  

As the Lamar owner in a Superflex, I wouldn’t even counter that probably. 

He’s such a cheat code. 

[JFS171 838]

32 minutes ago, kutta said:

Seems reasonable to me. I don’t have a ton of faith in the guy, but he’s probably worth that if you need another QB.

Superflex you sort of always need QBs. I have Lamar and Watson, so Minshew is depth, but 24 and seems solid. 

[FreeBaGeL 8,840]

1 hour ago, JFS171 said:

Price check on Minshew?  It’s a Superflex league so young QB with upside has value, but at the same time if the Jags have a bad season, new coaching staff, etc. does Minshew get drafted over and replaced?  Would he get traded to start somewhere else?  Basically what’s the confidence level in Minshew right now?

His owner offered me Minshew, 2021 3 (probably early), and FAAB for two late 2021 2s. It seems very reasonable at first blush but I’m wondering what I’m missing. 

I would definitely do that. Sure there is a chance he gets replaced but he had a phenomenal rookie year and has tons of upside. He is way underpriced. 

[smbkrypt24 368]

1 hour ago, JFS171 said:

Price check on Minshew?  It’s a Superflex league so young QB with upside has value, but at the same time if the Jags have a bad season, new coaching staff, etc. does Minshew get drafted over and replaced?  Would he get traded to start somewhere else?  Basically what’s the confidence level in Minshew right now?

His owner offered me Minshew, 2021 3 (probably early), and FAAB for two late 2021 2s. It seems very reasonable at first blush but I’m wondering what I’m missing. 

I own Minshew in a superflex league.  I think Minshew should be worth more than 2 late 2021 2s.  For you I would take that deal.  He could get replaced, but I think the league has seen enough for someone to take a chance on him as their QB.

[ConnSKINS26 5,718]

37 minutes ago, JFS171 said:

As the Lamar owner in a Superflex, I wouldn’t even counter that probably. 

He’s such a cheat code. 

I think he’s saying he mostly plays 2QB and SF so he’s checking Lamar’s price in 1QB, where he is looking to buy him.

And yes, Lamar>>Akers

Edited September 19, 2020 by ConnSKINS26