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Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (11 Viewers)
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Good question.Zyphros said:
I think Fant/Hock/Irv Smith/Gesicki have some draft capital in their favor along with youth as to why they are preferred to other possible options.
Tonyan is a UDFA who in some folks minds might just be a placeholder for Jace Sternberger who the Packers selected in the 3rd round 2019.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Its a bad time to sell him although I don't know if you will get a better opportunity later on. I think the Bears may add a RB next year.
So I guess you go for option two.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Input?Helaire-ious said:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I drafted him at his May ADP, so don’t put too much stock in my take. But I’m convinced that a player’s odds of ever breaking out are ~halved every year that he doesn’t breakout. Akers should be worth about half of what he was to start the season, IMO. If you account for the strength of the 2020 class, especially at RB, especially compared to 2021, he should still demand a late 1st in 2021 currency. That’s the strongest argument I have. Beyond that, he’s a plus athlete with day 2 draft capital in a plus situation, should he ever demand the role they had in mind when they drafted him. And Brown is an UFA.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think its interesting Coop that you had Akers as a sell in October with Henderson a buy and now Akers is a buy but Henderson is not a sell.
battlestar
Footballguy
This has been in my head since pre-season and I wish I had ignored it. (Even though part of me still sees the flashes and thinks Sternberger may still take that job)
Seems high. That said, in a 12 team PPR start 1 TE Waller just went for Kirk and a 2022 2nd. And even that could seem high depending on your valuation of Kirk.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
Yeah I would bet on Tonyan at this point but who knows?
Personally I am hoping Rodgers leaves Green Bay and then we wont care who their TE is anymore, but thats likely wishful thinking.
battlestar
Footballguy
Me too, but I can't get over my own sour grapes for not holding him where I had him. Yet. And who knows - Rodgers strikes me as one who would ultimately look out for number 1 and if he once again gets little offensive help this off-season (barring a Super Bowl) I could see him forcing his way out of town. Sure it's pretty out there but stranger things have happened.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I haven’t tracked down the All-22, but he’s looked damn good at times—to me. If Akers is a buy, Henderson should probably be a sell, but I can’t do it. If you’re paying less than a 1st for each, I think they’re both good investments.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have seen Henderson look good at times. I didn't watch the game last night. The last time I looked at it the Rams offensive line was doing very well, which somewhat surprised me as none of their RB have been able to take the lions share of the work and Brown has been getting the more premium looks at the goal line and as a receiver.
Will the Rams have a RB who is getting 60% or more of the touches in their offense or are they intentionally trying to keep this from happening?
Are any of these RB good enough to be that player? Based on you thinking Henderson and Akers are buys, I would guess you think both of them are good enough.
If they aren't then they are at risk of losing playing time to someone who is I think, even if they intend to keep splitting opportunities.
EthnicFury
Footballguy
I think he’s worth that in one specific scenario: you’re a contender who he’d provide a material advantage or plug a hole for and the pick is guaranteed to be late
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I like the odds of them being good enough to be the guy, relative to the cost to acquire. Henderson has shown that ability, IMO, and the profile suggests that Akers has a good shot. I trust that the staff has a valid reason to lean on Brown as much as they have been, but I expect it to be Akers and Henderson next season. No idea what the split will look like, however.
Smokin Okie
Footballguy
Just wanted to let y’all know about a couple of offers I received in two different dynasty leagues. Both leagues are 12 team PPR full dynasty
Was offered Keenan Allen and Jacobi Meyers for CEH in one league.
Was offered Diontae Johnson, Claypool and a 4th rd pick for Davante Adams. I declined both.
Was offered Keenan Allen and Jacobi Meyers for CEH in one league.
Was offered Diontae Johnson, Claypool and a 4th rd pick for Davante Adams. I declined both.
First one is an easy decline. I'd have to think very hard about the other one though (I do value Claypool and Diontae more than consensus)
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I would have accepted the second one. Adams is turning 28 next month. That’s not exactly old, but his owners are running out of time if they’re looking for this kind of exit value.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Waller is one of basically 2 reliable TEs available in the entire NFL right now.Helaire-ious said:
He offers the same PPG advantage over TE5 as DeAndre Hopkins offers over Will Fuller.
He offers the same PPG advantage over TE12 as DK Metcalf offers over Cole Beasley.
I don't think a 1st and a TE bust is an unreasonable asking price, personally.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I was just listening to Cecil and Blooms recap of last week. They are waxing poetic about how great the Steelers are doing this year and Cecil says this is Bens last season with the Steelers, Bloom doesn't seem to disagree with this statement.
If Ben is gone the Steelers are not in a position to acquire a QB in the draft. What free agents might be available?
I just don't want to see too many eggs being put in the Steelers basket counting on Ben to be back and playing at a high level in 2021.
Maybe they are completely wrong about this or just having a moment. I don't know. They are bigger Steelers fans than I am.
If Ben is gone the Steelers are not in a position to acquire a QB in the draft. What free agents might be available?
I just don't want to see too many eggs being put in the Steelers basket counting on Ben to be back and playing at a high level in 2021.
Maybe they are completely wrong about this or just having a moment. I don't know. They are bigger Steelers fans than I am.
Smokin Okie
Footballguy
That one was tempting. I’m 7-4 and fighting for the playoffs and just couldn’t give Adams up.
DropKick
Footballguy
Any adjustment to your thinking for the unusual circumstances that this year's rookies fell into? Lack of everything?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree with others that Waller is worth a 1st plus a TE prospect like Engram although I wouldn't call Engram a bust. He was better with Eli. I think Engram is a buy actually, he is pretty talented and no one seems to like him now.
Makes sense for a team not contending this season to do a deal like that. Makes sense for any competitive team to get the guy making a difference right now.
Makes sense for a team not contending this season to do a deal like that. Makes sense for any competitive team to get the guy making a difference right now.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
If I didn't have Goedert, I may have done it. I am 7-4 & competitive this season. Should I really do this deal? Nothing too great coming out rookie wise mid to late 2021 pick? We start 2 flex so I can still start Waller w/Goedert, though. Maybe counter offering Golladay straight up for Waller? But then I am still stuck with Engram who would never start for me after that...
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Helaire-ious
Footballguy
& now I was offered Miles Sanders for my AJ Brown & a 2021 2nd (Would be mid to late) PPR league
Even though RB is where I need depth (Start 2 RB + 2 flex & I have nothing worth a crap behind CMC, CEH & Robinson), I think I prefer AJB here.
Should I be taking this deal? I think I'd rather counter with offering Golladay straight up for Sanders...
Even though RB is where I need depth (Start 2 RB + 2 flex & I have nothing worth a crap behind CMC, CEH & Robinson), I think I prefer AJB here.
Should I be taking this deal? I think I'd rather counter with offering Golladay straight up for Sanders...
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
Its probably "fair" value, but I think you could command more for Brown. I would have to get a 1st with Sanders to even think about it personally.
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
Trying to get Mixon w/Waller from him. Can't figure out what WR to add to my 2021 1st (mid to late) & Engram. Won't be AJ Brown, Allen or ARob. I'm not sure he'd say yes if it were a guy like Aiyuk or Antonio Brown, though. Maybe add Golladay, but I think I might be overpaying at that point?
I tried to also get Thielen from him, but he wanted waaaaay too much then (My J. Robinson, Engram, Golladay AND one of Allen or AJB) So I took Thielen out of after that...
ghostguy123
Footballguy
A little forward thinking, but with the current tight end landscape, what do you think Kelce's trade value will be in terms of draft picks in the offseason? Think both regular and TE premium leagues.
31 now and heading into his final year of his contract (though I fully expect them to extend that at some point).
As a contender what would you pay to get him? What would it take to let him go whether you are a contender or not?
31 now and heading into his final year of his contract (though I fully expect them to extend that at some point).
As a contender what would you pay to get him? What would it take to let him go whether you are a contender or not?
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BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
This happened today ..
14 team.. no ppr
Fuller and Gaskin
for
Conner and Hollywood Brown
14 team.. no ppr
Fuller and Gaskin
for
Conner and Hollywood Brown
Good q. In one 1/2 ppr league, I’ve had his whole career. I think I would consider selling him this offseason. Not sure what I would want. Probably a 1st + upside TE like Irv Smith or similar.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
If you believe this then you have no choice but to sit on him and wait for his value to go up.
joey
Footballguy
In my TE premium league, I’m holding and riding into the ground. He gives such an amazing weekly advantage over other teams that I’ll ride him into the sunset and deal with the ramifications later. (Granted, I also have Andrews and start them both in FFPC). But I’ll be grabbing a young TE like Trautman off waivers (FFPC doesn’t have deep benches and only keep 14 non-K/DST players) in the next week or 2 for dirt cheap for the off-season and we’ll see if he makes my keeper cut.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
If Kelce can be had for a 1st plus Irv Smith obviously that would be a better deal than a 1st and Engram for Waller.
I think this price for Waller is reasonable so Kelce should fetch more.
I think this price for Waller is reasonable so Kelce should fetch more.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So what would you pay to get him?joey said:
joey
Footballguy
I own him and don’t think I’d sell him for less than 2 high firsts but only if I were in a full rebuild.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It's very unlikely you would get that for him in any scenario for a variety of reasons.
Also, if that's what you are holding out for in a rebuild, that's a mistake. Holding him next year kills at least 33% of his future value. He isnt going to play at a high level forever.
joey
Footballguy
Yeah, we’ll, like I said, I only own him on a win-now team, so my view of him is definitely biased and I will ride this horse to the glue factory.
He signed an extension already, very team friendly.ghostguy123 said:
I don't know what I'd pay to get him but every time I've traded for an older "win now" player it's been a bad deal so I'd be out. But someone in one of my leagues said last week a contending team of theirs dealt Barkley and a mid first for Kelce and Kupp.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
And you wonder if that guy is planning to leave the league after this yea
I had Kelce on the block this past offseason with really no interest, at least not for anything close to two high 1sts. More like one mid 1st. I cant imagine that interest will increase with another season passed.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I paid, 1.06, 1.07, 2021 1st and 2nd for Kelce/Woods in April. In my opinion, there's not a price that's too high for the best fantasy TE in the league in TE premium. Same is true in superflex if you transfer that philosophy. You want Mahomes? Pay up the wazoo for him. Kelce/Woods is a huge reason why I'm the #1 seed in that FFPC league going into the playoffs.
By now, 1 year later basically, Kelce has gone down in value, but if you have the capital to do it and not cripple your team, something close doesn't seem outlandish to me. The premium you get from premium positions when it comes to scoring is such a huge advantage.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If I can get basically any two 1sts for him in the offseason I would likely take it.
I am the likely #1 seed heading into the playoffs, have Hockenson and Akins (yay) currently on the roster. It would be a hit to my lineup for sure, but I am in a unique position where I can trade one or two aging vets and still probably be a good bet for a 1st round bye next year.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
As a Bears fan, I would like to say keeping Montgomery, but he is not being used to his fullest potential in Chi. I like package 2 better in Edwards and Myers. I don't like Rbs in NE, too many and never know how they are going to be used.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Looking into your crystal ball for next year.... who would you rather grab now for next year ..
Gaskin
or
Akers
Have the opportunity to add either one to an offer to acquire, but not sure which one to add.
Gaskin
or
Akers
Have the opportunity to add either one to an offer to acquire, but not sure which one to add.
The Captain
Footballguy
Thoughts on Golladays value in PPR? I’m currently the #2 seed but my WR depth is terrible with Adams, Julio, Golladay and Deebo my only viable WRs. Not sure Julio is going to make it through the season and I could see the Lions shutting Golladay down with the season lost. Thinking about selling Kenny for someone who can help my playoff run. I’m know this is a sell low moment for Kenny so I’m not going to get equal value but this is likely my one shot at a run before I blow this team up. What type of WR from a non-contending team would you expect in return?
I would lean towards Akers here as I think he will grow to become a focal point of Rams running game these next few years. Gaskin while competent, is likely more of a placeholder in Miami.
kutta
Footballguy
A couple games into the season I gave Kirk and a 2021 first for Golladay.
Just a data point for you.
robb
Footballguy
My preference is Akers, if only for the upside. I see Miami possibly drafting a RB next year.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed. I think Akers has much more long term upside. Seems like Gaskin/Ahmed are holding down the fort nicely, but Flores will want to surround Tua with more powerful weapons and they have the draft capital to do so.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Akers.
Gaskin has been in the league a long time already. This season has likely been his most relevant. It wont last.
EthnicFury
Footballguy
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