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I by no means am saying that he should have taken the offer but a valuable handcuff isn’t just a “backup” and while I was interested in Smith, obviously, I wouldn’t have actually started him with Kittle and Gronk on my roster already.
They have used TE's quite a bit around the goal line. Smith had 5 TD's last year (albeit it was only in three games). As a Viking fan it is frustrating that they don't use the TE more because whenever they do go to them they seem to be open for chunk gains.I don't get why people think the Vikings offense is TE friendly.
This is so true... I have been this guy and the other guy with this dynamic in play plenty of times.
I totally hear you and major difference between an offer I'd not accept vs the offer being treated as an insult. Had something similar happen to me last week, and after I actually used Hindery's trade value chart to craft what I thought was a reasonable offer. I had zero issue with the guy not accepting my offer and never would, but he came at me like I was hard insulting him and I found the whole thing annoying mainly because I went out of my way to try and present a reasonable offer and on top of it was making offer due to message he left about type of trade he was seeking.
A trade offer is not an insult. I don't understand the point of being like this. It's a silly game where you are all guessing on what other people are going to perform like. You will be right, wrong and in between. It's not a personal attack and nobody dies if you make a bad trade. Just have fun with it while not being a tool and it makes things so much more interesting/fun.
I don't know much about FFPC but I doubt they're complete idiots.
It has to be *really* egregious for them to get involved. Generally speaking if there is consent between two adults they don't get in the way. I'm sure there are some good examples but I can't think of any off the top of my head.
This is why I had those trade calc sites when owners use them as gospel. They are just guesses just like everyone else is guessing. It's nice as a piece of info but that's it. It's not the end all be all and when people use it like that it makes it really hard to get anything done.
Yes recently when I texted with a league mate about a trade and how we weren’t close. He tried to break out the trade calculator to show its fair value based on the points. The problem was it was the classic 4 Quarters for a Dollar offer.
Additionally just because something is fair doesn’t obligate you to take the deal...
That's why I like keeptradecut, it adjusts the points with a boost to the team giving the best individual players to prevent stacking a bunch of mediocre players for one good one.
A legitimate trade offer isn't an insult. Even an imbalanced trade might not be an insult due to differences in player evaluation. However, there ARE insulting trades and you know it when you see them.
Absolutely. Even if it is more than fair. I declined a deal last year that was moderately to blatantly in my favor on paper. But it would have torpedoed my RB corps midseason in what turned out to be a championship season. Who knows maybe if I'd taken the deal I would have then pivoted to trying to snag a RB somewhere. But just because I would have had a surplus of stud WRs doesn't mean that I can walk into the RB store and grab one off the shelf at my leisure.
Thank you FreeBaGeL also........I will use this in addition to my other 2 trade calculator sites.
While I think Irv Smith is more valuable than Mattison is your offer is not so outrageous as to cause that kind of reaction.
If you think Watson is a top 5 dynasty QB right now, you are definitely in the minority. Consider:I had a real dhole owner in one of my superflex dynasty league offer me a 4th round rookie pick for Watson, and he laughed saying I was a fool for calling him a top 5 startup dynasty QB.....do others have people this clueless in their leagues??
If they’re still ranking him top 10 it doesn’t seem to indicated that they think he’s never going to play again. I’m sure his fall is risk driven, however.
Just checked scoring in my two dynasty leagues. Here are Watson's season by season rankings in ppg:
I prefer Diontae myself. I think you are right to have post-Ben QB concerns but I'd hold off on assuming Chark has more then one year with Trevor.
Not me.
Didn't realize Chark was a UFA after this year. Looks like Diontae has 2 years left on his deal.
I can't argue the durability was an extreme negative early last year. He's not missed many games but early exits are far worse then just flat missing a game and his early exits were crushing. But really when you step back and look at it he was fairly healthy in 2019(even played through a hernia which required off-season surgery) and really just suffered a few minor miscues early last season and was healthy for second half of season. I don't think injuries were issue in college so right now I'm not ready to put durabilty concerns on him but understand why some would.Didn't realize Chark was a UFA after this year. Looks like Diontae has 2 years left on his deal.
My gut reaction was also to hang on to Diontae; I was surprised to see them ranked that closely. My main concern with him is durability, as he got knocked out early in several games last year. Well, that and the 14 drops
I like Chark's upside much better but I like DJ a lot and think he offers an impressive floor.
So for DJ:
Knowing it's a risk that a rookie busts, I'll take Williams. He should get the RB job next year full time at the latest and we all know about the RB position scarcity.
Williams and it's not close. There are a lot of WR's that can fill Diontae's shoes on your team. Williams has some shiny new toy brightness but with that comes hope and right now that hope is worth a lot more than a WR2/3-ish type guy
You aren't really offering much to get Joey Bosa unless he is only worth the 1.14. Based on the top linebacker scoring unless Shaq Thompson projects to score more this year. I would assume Bosa had much more impact as DE.
You would know IDPs better than me, especially for your league scoring systems. Shaq didn't seem like giving much up at the LB position and if Bosa is only worth a mid 2nd you may be pretty close there.
Shaq is not giving up much at the lber position, but he would be an every week starter for the other 13 teams.
