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I'm thin at RB is the problem. I'm not really looking to win nor in the running this year, but next year's class has very little to offer in the second, according to most devy guys. It's 2023 that is the target year for RBs. If we could sell or buy 2023 picks in our league, I'd do a first in that year. But, alas, 'tis not the case.
I own him in a couple of places and would hurt myself accepting a 2nd for him. He's the textbook definition of a roster clogger: you will never be comfortable starting him and the weeks where he would have been a good play are the weeks that he was probably on your bench.
Right, sometimes it's just about having a guy. Plus his value is at a turning point here. If you do believe in him, best to wait for him to fully take over that job and deliver some strong fantasy performances. Even if next year is a bit weaker, there is still a good chance the players available there are more valuable than Harris. He's still a 24 year old RB, 3rd round pick who hasn't done much in his 2 years in the league and is playing for a coach who has historically used a RBBC and has been difficult to predict.
Plus, it’s the Patriots so there’s not even a guarantee he has legit value this season. He could be the guy that burns you three straight weeks of single digit fantasy points and then scores 3 TDs when he’s on your bench.
I actually kind of lean the opposite way. I’m not sure he will be super fantasy viable out of the gate but I think he’s the best back they’ve got and they won’t pay big to replace him so he could hold down his spot for awhile, possibly into a Mac Jones era that’s more run-centric than with Brady and less susceptible to QB TD vulturing than with Cam
Maybe but he's already burned through half of his rookie deal. If he doesn't play well now, I don't see it ever happening.
Oh yeah to be clear this is assuming he plays well NFL wise but the usage initially starts with the standard pats “maddening for fantasy” schtick. Say he’s the hoss between the 20’s but cam is vulturing TD’s and white is getting the 2-minute work so he’s putting up a bunch of 80 yd, no TD games on 5 or 6 ypc initially.
I wish this wasn't true but it is. The worst situation to be in with him is having two or three other similar guys and trying to choose the right one. You will choose wrong.
Again, I think is the where the state of your team matters. If you see yourself as having a real chance to win it all this year, those 3 weeks where Harris fills in for your injured RB2 and those couple games he gets in your line up at flex during the bye weeks are really important. For a team in more a rebuild, who cares if you struggle filling your slot during bye weeks? I would much rather have the 2nd round pick and take the chance I can get a more long term asset. You are right most 2nd round picks don't ever hit but there are guys like Antonio Gibson, Chase Claypool, Justin Herbert, Lamar Jackson, Cooper Kupp,Tyler Lockett, etc. that can be key pieces to championship runs.
If "ifs and buts" were fruit and nuts, we'd all have a happy christmas. Point being, LOTS of things need to go exactly in Harris' favor for him to become a viable fantasy starter. In my eyes, he's one of those fantasy players who collects dust on your bench...just good enough to not cut, yet will never see your starting roster.
To piggy back this with some context - pulled this from a startup I did a couple months ago. There's a dead zone of RB's after the top 25-30 I had no interest in at market rate - guys like Harris and Zack Moss. My interest in RB's resurfaced around RB40 when options like Tony Pollard, Alexander Mattison, Darrell Henderson, Chuba Hubbard, etc. became best available. Expected 2021 output had nothing to do with it cause I expected a dead zone RB like Harris to be more productive. It's a plausible upside sorta thing. Those guys need one thing to go in their favor to suddenly become possible top 15ish types (like what just happened with Henderson) whereas the dead zone guys need multiple things to (maybe?) have that sorta upside. And ultimately that's what one wants in their lineup - more top guys than their competition; not an uninspiring band aid like Harris.
I was going to agree with your earlier contrast of him as an RB4 vs an RB2, but must nod along with this point as well. I think there is some upside in a possibly transitioning offense. Would target him as an RB4/5, serviceable depth at a minimum. On the flip side, not expecting much on the PPR front.
I thought about trading for him early in the offseason, before the hype started. But you get zero receptions and he'll probably split time with 2 or 3 other rbs and good chance Stevenson gets a lot of short yardage work. Not sure if his upside is more than mid to low rb2 and that's upside.
Oh, sure, but Cam and White being on their last legs isn’t too big a reach. And Mac not running like Cam or being the greatest qb of all time also isn’t a reach.InDitkaWeTrust said:
I think a lot of Henderson owners are wishing they were in your league.
I look at it this way. He's a young back who's already shown ability to succeed. His range of outcomes seems pretty strong.
I don't necessarily disagree, I just don't see most people willing to pay a mid-first for him. Personally, I do think he returns RB2 production in 2021, but there's still a few hurdles left to clear.
I thought he'd been in the league for like 6 years. I've lost much hope for anything significant out of the guy. I'd aim for a mid 2nd and if you can't get much more than that, I'd probably wait and hope he starts off hot.
If you could get anything close to a future 2nd I’d sell. I think he’s fool’s gold. I think it’s just as likely Callaway steps up while Thomas is out and is the #1.
I would probably do that. I don't think you can get a top 5 qb for Higgins, but Burrow is right there.
Assuming you can't start 5 WRs I'd do this. Going from Higgins to Julio as your 5th WR is a fairly small price for the upgrade to Burrows at QB
With the WRs on your roster, Higgins has a very slim chance of ever making it into your starting lineup, even due to bye weeks.
Generally Robinson is one of those guys that is worth more to the guy that has him and all other owners are trying to get him for cheap so that chasm is too large to overcome. I am a fan and in a non-PPR that just increases his value.
This is where my thinking is right now, but I'm obviously biased as the Robinson owner and wanted to be sure I wasn't overthinking it.
QBs have almost no value in 1 qb leagues. Wouldn't even think of selling Higgins for that.IHEARTFF said:
I'm skeptical Burrow is that much of a short term upgrade to Ryan. Decent chance he isnt 100% week 1 and starts off rusty. It's not a bad trade, but it isn't one I'd take right now. I would be patient and see if something better comes along.
I appreciate the feedback, and I agree with you at this point.
I did that, offering to add in a later pick on my side and it was rejected. Deadline of about an hour to make my decision before he moves on to other targets.
Let him suffer with no RB imo. lololol
As you know, I took the 2 2nds after all. At least it was a reasonable offer. As you well know, that particular league can be very frustrating as there are about 4 owners that are active and make semi-reasonable offers, there are about 4 that make extremely asinine offers offering their kicker and a mid round rookie pick for a top 10 RB thinking it's a reasonable offer (this is sadly not a gross exaggeration) and then the other 6 that don't respond to email and are barely involved beyond setting lineups most weeks.Dope said:
This should go in the trades thread, but I would sell Dobbins for a likely high 2022, getting a 2023 1st on top of that is amazing.
Win now easily Kittle.
