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Yeah it has a lot to do with the TE landscape. Who would you rather have right now? Maybe Gronk for this season. After that it's Engram for a while. He might be a 1st pick next year if he hits his ceiling this year like Gronk was when he hit his peak.-OZ- said:at the bolded. If I give it much thought there's no way Engram is a top 16 player IMO.
Right. As an Engram owner I am somewhat concerned about his efficiency. I do see volume dropping a little with a healthy OBJ, but not a lot. I don't see Engram as the next Gronk, but I definitely see him closer to Gronk that Ebron. His efficiency has to go up for him to justify what people are paying for himFreeBaGeL said:
Engram was the 2nd or 3rd TE taken in my recent drafts behind Kelce, ertz. I'd take gronk as I think he plays another 3-5 years despite the rumors.
Gronk's been on my avoid list for the last 3 or so seasons. 1. his back. I avoid guys who I would consider higher prone to injury, and his back is a red flag for me- especially after surgery. 2. his price tag. A 1st or 2nd round pick on a TE just isn't worth it to me. 3rd is about as high as I will go. There are a lot of really good TE that can be had round 3-4 that don't drop that much down from Gronk and don't have the injury risk. At least for my liking.
Yes the new staff is moving him around and IMO the reason you have seen stories that Sterling Shepard is more than a slot WR and will play outside more is Engram.
Agree, that really makes no sense.
Just moved Matt Ryan and Lamar Miller (was my RB5 in a start 1-2 max) for Mahomes and 4.8. He needed RB help badly.Dr. Dan said:
That's the price it'll probably take. Wow. I think I lean Ryan/Miller, depending on your other QB's.
Fwiw, I took gronk at pick #46, 3.14.
Goff. In a start 1-2 RB, I have Bell, McCaffrey, Howard and Ronald Jones. Haven't started Miller more than a handful of time since I acquired him 2 years ago so I found him expendable.
Yep 12 team ppr. I agree, granted that team is deep at WR but I was still shocked or assumed he had more value than that. I would have given him 2.03 which I draft at in the second.
Excellent deal...Miller is what he is and it that is very mediocre...Ryan is real dicey in fantasy and in a 1 QB league you really don't want to be starting him...Mahomes is going into his second year and Andy Reid has committed to him...he has some great weapons that are young...just a ton of upside here...you gave up very little for a QB that has a chance to be a stud for the next 10-12 years...there is absolutely no downside to making this move...
I know Engram himself has said it’s something he needs to address but I thought I read somewhere that he had 5 or 6? Over the course of an entire season with a healthy target share, that doesn’t seem very significant to me. Just an overblown narrative.
I think I read an MFL news blurb the other day that said 6 (the headline was that drops are an issue for Engram). Like you I looked somewhere else and it said 5....so yeah, pretty confusing! I’m more interested in what he actually does catch I guess. Drops happen.
His value is already sky high, there is no buy low on him. I couldn't even get him for Gronk.
An offer like that could depend on roster construction - especially with all the talk of Gronk retiring. If I wasn't a legit contender I'd stick with Engram.
He didn't say buy low, he said buy before he's untouchable. Anyone that owns Engram does so because they buy into his potential. He's pretty much a full-on WR that just happens to be listed as a TE. His skill set is much more Brandon Marshall than Gronkowski including how often/well he blocks (actually Marshall might have been a better blocker). That's good for fantasy. Really good. No one else has a ceiling like that. And if he puts up a 15.0 PPG this year he'll be untouchable.
I made trade for Engram a couple months ago. I was able to get Engram and rookie pick 16 for Devonte Parker and rookie pick 24. I was thrilled. Then the OTA hype train kept rolling right after it was made.
Nice edit. Just posting what Engram went for. I think he's a lot easier to get than most are making it out to be. Depends on roster construction. The picks likely should have been flipped but one year prior Engram was going in the second round of rookie drafts and Parker was being traded for late firsts ready to breakout. I like Parker but was loaded at WR.
I have Engram and I would not give him up for 3 Devante Parker's and that pick...not to be a jerk but that deal is not indicative of his value...
According to the value charts the value is closer to 2 Parker's. Engram is worth 15 in the July Dan Hindery article and Parker is 7. Engram's value is more in line with Josh Gordon, Sammy Watkins, Corey Davis, and DJ Moore.
I got him for Burton and Kirk in a FFPC TE premium league. I'm in on Burton, but that to me is still buying low. For that team it was about a perfect trade.
That's not reality though. I'd venture a guess that 90%+ of dynasty owners would take Engram over Parker easily..
Yeah I'd take Gronk this year but if I owned Engram I wouldn't trade him for Gronk straight up either.
Agreed. If I was in a league with you I wouldn't even try to trade for Engram because you value him correctly or at least to close to the way I value him so there's no meat left on the bone.
I think someone posted something similar but I got Gronk on a team and on that team he's a perfect fit for what he offers. TE premium, team is coming off a championship and roster looks better so major contender, I got depth at TE but it's not good quality depth and cherry on top is I got Brady and that hookup has been been golden on this team for better part of 4 years now. In 2016 when Brady was suspended and Gronk missed a lot of games I felt their loss in a major way, mainly Gronk.
He is terrific redraft value it's just in typical one start QB leagues it's so deep that it's hard to get excited about him. He had no chance last year when the injuries hit his receiving core but he was actually a top 10 fantasy QB early last season until he lost his playmakers.
It makes perfect sense. Here are some plausible receiving numbers if these players stay healthy:
I guess stranger things have happened but IMO he’s a JAG and likely won’t be in the NFL in 1-2 years. It looks like the 49ers simply wasted a draft pick on him.
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I feel like this every time I think back of the WR's I've had starting in the late 90's in their prime and then traded before they fell off. Moss/Owens and then Fitzgerald and then Calvin Johnson and then Julio/AJ and now shopping them in hopes of the next big thing.
Because even though my post was more focused on Eli, it should raise the question of those other 3 player's values as well, in dynasty. If Eli is garbage then how could these other 3 be so highly valued? It just seems like a major disconnect in FF right now.
Not everyone thinks he's garbage. He has very little dynasty value, but he never had a high value even when he was young. For redraft I think he's a decent play. The Giants have surrounded him with so much talent he will do well by default.
So the rest of the roster gets a combined thousand yards? I don’t like Eli but the spot is too bad for him to be worse than qb10.
