Interseptopus
Footballguy
Tyreek isnt winning any baby-daddy or father of the year awards anytime soon so let's not make him out to be some family man who was giving up valuable family time...
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
It matters because if it is bad from a child services perspective this could lead to the bad optics.Hankmoody said:
Just like if it was good or meant nothing from child services perspective it wouldn't lead to bad optics.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Just spitballing here. My 3 year old has the wherewithal to remember and report if something happens to her. Big or small. Doubt the child’s word would be used as evidence, but I’m sure he has told, and police “know” what happened.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I assume you haven't seen the differences between video evidence and lack of video evidence in the decision making process by Goodell and by organizations??
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
True, but the boy could have been coached, coerced, or threatened by mom or dad to not tell anyone what really happened...
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I am not saying this happened her, but if you told a three year old that if he tells the police that mommy or daddy hurt him the police would take him away and put him in a bad place, I would think that would sink in. Children are manipulated to hate the non-custodial parents in divorce situations all the time and in fact the younger they are the easier it is to manipulate them.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Fully. But I'm telling you 3 year olds are notorious for messing up the best (or worst) laid plans of their parents. Plus they suck at lying. But honestly I'm not really trying to make any point here. Mostly I'm just making fun of 3 year olds because I have one and I can.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
But how much are they even allowed to question a kid that young, or is it even actual police?
JackReacher
Footballguy
Kid shows up at hospital with broken arm, first thing the doctor is going to do is ask what happened. Don’t they have some sort of moral responsibility? I don't work in this field, but you have to think that if the kid says mommy or daddy did this, the hospital staff are on the phone with child services immediately.
Maybe some HIPPA law took precedence, but the fact that no action was taken for months has always led me to believe this was accidental, and that the state is now just doing its due diligence.
Maybe some HIPPA law took precedence, but the fact that no action was taken for months has always led me to believe this was accidental, and that the state is now just doing its due diligence.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
smh this is entertaining at the very least
JackReacher
Footballguy
I swear that my 3-year old enjoys getting me in trouble with my wife. Say we make a detour for ice cream after school, and I kiddingly tell my daughters don’t tell mommy, my 3-year old is spilling the beans right when we walk in the door.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
Why do you assume that?
i 100% agree it would be worse for hill if there was video evidence.
the quote post of mine from hank was that this was bad from a child services perspective and if goodell knew what this meant it would not be good.
i disagree that goodell doesn’t care what it means from child services side because it could lead to bad optics.
Which brings me to my spitball for the day.
While an undergoing criminal investigation does remain open regarding what happened to the boy I believe what Hill and his SO might be dealing with from child services at this time, and why they removed his child, is neglect related to improper supervision with said neglect leading to the boy breaking his arm.
If this ended up going down like this, if CPS feels he is guilty of neglect of of his child which led to injury but not actual physical child abuse it would seem we'd have reached a really gray area with respect to how this will play out for him in the league office and what KC decides to do with him going forward. I personally think that due to his past, and how some people don't like he was never disciplined by the league, that the NFL would take the safest PR route possible and give him a 4-6 game suspension for conduct detrimental to the league but I don't think this would play out in public remotely as bad as physical abuse so I don't think we'd be looking at season or worse. If we reach an outcome related to neglect not sure how that would impact if KC wants to resign him or just move on.
JackReacher
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Serious question - is there a link to something saying it was a spiral fracture? And if so doesn't that categorically remove the possibility of it being simple neglect? Like the kid fell off something when the parent(s) weren't looking and broke his arm? But that would be pretty much impossible with a spiral fracture, no?
Interseptopus
Footballguy
edit: I read that backwards. a spiral fracture would be a stronger indication of abuse than a non spiral fracture.
you wont get those details unless he is charged
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
But I've been reading people saying that it was spiral. I'm wondering if that can be substantiated.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I haven't seen that, because if I had I'd be out of all shares of him. That's the one thing aside from video evidence that will shake me at this point. Anything we've heard has been speculation or conditional.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I just don't see how anyone can know what Rodger would do, and that we don't know all the facts.
Not saying that is what it is, just trying to make educated guesses, but to me it makes the most sense.
A lot of little signs I could point to but a lot of that is read between the lines stuff in terms of actual facts the biggest thing that got me thinking it was neglect was the response time frame Kansas child protective services has for child abuse/neglect cases to be investigated. They have a same day, 72 hour, 20 day time frame with the 72 hour and 20 day time frames not counting weekends or holidays. The Kansas Protection Report Center specialist determines the response time and same day is when they believe the child is in imminent danger. If they don't believe the child is in imminent danger they have 72 hours to investigate all other child abuse cases. The 20 working day timeframe is reserved for reports relating to neglect, for reasons not related to maltreatment.
I don't know the exact date the report was opened but I'm going with either date of latest police report, which was March 14th, or the following Monday which was March 17th. It was reported by a Kansas TV station his child was removed from the home on April 5th, which depending on day they got the initial report would have meant they concluded their investigation in 15 or 17 working days and thus far surpassing the 72 hour timeframe to investigate for abuse but wrap up the neglect investigation with a few days to spare.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
The response times would have nothing to do with how long they have to wrap up the investigation. They deal only with the time you have to see the child and ensure safety.
Oftentimes, I see the child within our time frame (1 hour, 24 hour, or 5 days) and take the rest of my days left for a total 45 and gather evidence.
I did not state the response times meant investigation had to be wrapped up but gives an idea on timeframe one should expect.
I stand by what I said earlier, and why I continue to think this is most likely a case of neglect. If people want to dismiss my opinion because it differs with a social worker that is ok. If you want to read more I'd encourage to read pages 19-21 of this link, the box on bottom of page 21 shows us where we are at right now with respect to Kansas Child services investigation, which to me looks like District/County Attorney stage. http://www.dcf.ks.gov/services/pps/documents/guidetoreportingabuseandneglect.pdf
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Well I can't find anything besides forum talk here and elsewhere. I shouldn't have even brought it up. I thought maybe someone knew where this came from, but I'm leaning towards thinking it's just telephone game garbage. But yeah it would be a really bad sign if true.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
It seems you have an issue with me because I give facts about being a child services worker that differ with your opinion.
it is fine to have an opinion, but because 17 days after the police report is closest to the 20 day response time it means nothing. If you said those sentences not in correlation with each other it would make sense for you to have a general opinion on the matter.
I don't know why you went on this tangent. You need to slow down. I tried be as courteous as possible in my response. But if you just want to argue all day just go ahead.
If I recall you are in Indiana which has a 45 day response time so yea fact you respond in 45 days vs Kansas 20 days means nothing. But go ahead and keep saying my opinion means nothing and any attempt to disagree with you is me having an issue. I've already said we should agree to disagree but you can't let it go.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
That was not a tangent. You are confusing two different items which is what I was trying to let you know.
There is no such thing as a 45 day response time in Indiana. I have 45 days to finish my investigation. Response times are 1 hour, 24 hour, and 5 day. Because an investigation was wrapped up 17 days after a police report, which also doesn't mean child services report was called in at the same time, does not make this most likely a 20 day neglect case.
For fractures many times hospitals make physical abuse reports to child services. to cover themselves. I have many a time gotten reports where the story is plausible with the injury sustained, but they still call in reports to child services. This is why this is most likely a physical abuse report. Another possibility is that it was both physical abuse and neglect, but I would highly doubt the report was called in only for neglect. The results could have been substantiated only for neglect.
Throughout this thread you refer to me as the social worker/child service worker. It seems you can't let me go. I have tried to provide facts about child services that a lot of people have said has been helpful. The facts I provide I have repeatedly said apply to Indiana child services, but help explain what certain things mean in child service cases.
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Kevrunner
Footballguy
I was even wrong about him doing this for charity, according to the father of the traumatized child, Tyreek Hill was paid $15K to be at this event. Here are some of the father's recent comments and replies to others in the twitter thread:
"He actually said he couldn’t let him Score. The man has issues, that’s why his child is no longer in his custody."
"It wasn't a charity event he was paid $15k to “Coach” a “Flag Football” for corporate sponsors. We wasn’t paid to run on the field a tackle people. He didn’t apologize or even care enough to see if he was hurt. He is a terrible person. FACTS!!!!“
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Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
His previous issues were while he was in college and before the draft and charges were pressed and he pled guilty and was sentenced and served his time/punishment. He completed everything he needed to do and the entire thing was expunged from his record so its kind of as if it never happened. I am not minimizing it whatsoever, just stating what happened. So the NFL would have really not been in a position to discipline him for those events. It’s different.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
In fairness guys like Mixon, Blount and others never had to pay the price for “crimes” committed before they entered the league either - which makes sense really.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
JamieMurphy
Footballguy
On second thought though, the kid and his dad are both hardcore Dallas fans, so...
Interseptopus
Footballguy
NFL personal conduct policy is violated in the event of "Conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being to another person."
ruh-row
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JackReacher
Footballguy
Completely different jurisdictions and circumstances, but I thought of the Hill case when I read this release from Miami Gardens Police this morning. Wheels of justice move much more quickly at home of Dolphins Stadium!
Miami Gardens, FL - On Sunday, April 21, 2019, at approximately 04:14 a.m., Miami Gardens Police Officers were dispatched to Jackson North Medical facility in reference to a 4-year-old male suffering from burns.
The investigation revealed that the victim was in the care of the subject, Khalil Malik Jabali, B/M, 23 years old. The male victim was left alone in a bathroom after having soiled his clothing while sleeping. The subject prepared a bowl of hot water in the bathroom and left, upon his return he discovered the victim had sustained severe burns from the bowl of hot water.
The subject and the victim’s mother transported the victim to Jackson North Hospital. During the course of the investigation, the subject was charged with Aggravated Child Abuse and transported to the Turner Guilford Knight Correctional Center.
On April 22, 2019, a 6-year-old female sibling was interviewed at Christie House in reference to the on-going investigation. As a result, subject Khalil Malik Jabali was additionally charged.
Miami Gardens, FL - On Sunday, April 21, 2019, at approximately 04:14 a.m., Miami Gardens Police Officers were dispatched to Jackson North Medical facility in reference to a 4-year-old male suffering from burns.
The investigation revealed that the victim was in the care of the subject, Khalil Malik Jabali, B/M, 23 years old. The male victim was left alone in a bathroom after having soiled his clothing while sleeping. The subject prepared a bowl of hot water in the bathroom and left, upon his return he discovered the victim had sustained severe burns from the bowl of hot water.
The subject and the victim’s mother transported the victim to Jackson North Hospital. During the course of the investigation, the subject was charged with Aggravated Child Abuse and transported to the Turner Guilford Knight Correctional Center.
On April 22, 2019, a 6-year-old female sibling was interviewed at Christie House in reference to the on-going investigation. As a result, subject Khalil Malik Jabali was additionally charged.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I totally missed that kid he tackled was autistic. Thought it was just a kids event.
I think we just got a glimpse into who he is. Normal people don't decide to chase down autistic children from 40 yards and spoil what everyone in the room is going out of their way to make happen for them.
And GTFOH with that he put his hands up for a TD and then tripped nonsense. He put his arm up as a kid fell near his legs as a reaction. Watch it again. Then he regained speed and lunged at an autistic kids feet to trip him at the goal line.
That's not normal human behavior but I guess it doesn't qualify as breaking news that he's a slimeball.
I think we just got a glimpse into who he is. Normal people don't decide to chase down autistic children from 40 yards and spoil what everyone in the room is going out of their way to make happen for them.
And GTFOH with that he put his hands up for a TD and then tripped nonsense. He put his arm up as a kid fell near his legs as a reaction. Watch it again. Then he regained speed and lunged at an autistic kids feet to trip him at the goal line.
That's not normal human behavior but I guess it doesn't qualify as breaking news that he's a slimeball.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I think so. Kurt Warner was playing QB. The next play everybody let Kurt throw the kid a TD.
ETA- even if it wasnt, was clearly one of those moments where everyone stops to let the kid score and feel good. Except for Tyreek, who went and did that instead.
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JackReacher
Footballguy
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Here was the Dads latest tweet.
My life is all good and nothing but positive. My family and I are Blessed. Want was upsetting is him saying he couldn’t let him score, if it was an accident he should have apologized or at least come to see if he was ok. There was 10min of meltdown before the TD.
My life is all good and nothing but positive. My family and I are Blessed. Want was upsetting is him saying he couldn’t let him score, if it was an accident he should have apologized or at least come to see if he was ok. There was 10min of meltdown before the TD.
If it was not an event for autistic kids I don't agree. You did not know the boy was autistic, I did not know, what makes you think Hill would have known? I have a child on the spectrum, it's actually rare when people know.
I think this is much ado about nothing. Tyreek was just trying to put on a show. A little insensitive perhaps to any young boy, not one on the spectrum but any young boy? Maybe. But people love to see him run and I think he just saw it as a chance to play to the audience and give a good show.
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JackReacher
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
JackReacher
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
It's unclear whether it was an event specifically for autistic kids. Either way, I'm certainly not going to tell you how you should feel about it given I have no first hand experience.
Just my opinion, if everyone is clearly letting the kid have his moment, they probably know his story, and Tyreek was paid to be there so I presume he'd be in the loop. I could be wrong but it still wouldn't change mich for me.
Much ado about nothing, yeah probably. It's not going to impact his playing status or fantasy relevance by one ounce. And we already know he's beaten a gf and is mixed up with the investigation. So, not news.
I guess what bothers me about it is he wasn't angry about anything or competing. He wasnt in the heat of an argument. He just ruined a feel good moment for no particular reason, which somehow is definitely-not-but-almost-worse in a way. Like now I just imagine him going around slapping ice cream cones out of kids hands on the weekend for kicks.
No I'm not gonna cut him from the one team I have him on. It's just a real **** move imo.
Yeah, there’s no way anyone with half a brain can think in any way, shape, or form, that there is any upside to tackling a kid in that situation. Unfortunately half a brain, Tyreek has not.
kutta
Footballguy
@skinfanjon and @SayWhat? need to get custom avatars if they are going to be posting right after each other in a thread. It's freaking confusing!
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