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Bitcoin-Explain to me how to buy these things (1 Viewer)

But this isn't a tech bubble, this is the new, new.  I don't mess with any of the hundreds of other cryptocurrencies and there will be plenty of bubbles, breakdowns, and implosions among them.  Bitcoins are real and blockchain is the truth.  You can't touch them, you can't see them, but they're real.
Some questions for you guys. So we know about Mt. Gox. What about other vulnerabilities, such as https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/32-million-worth-of-digital-currency-ether-stolen-by-hackers.html? Nothing on the internet is secure.

What about the transfer fees? Other fees?

 
Some questions for you guys. So we know about Mt. Gox. What about other vulnerabilities, such as https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/20/32-million-worth-of-digital-currency-ether-stolen-by-hackers.html? Nothing on the internet is secure.

What about the transfer fees? Other fees?
you definitely need to get comfortable with securing yourself.  If you have over 1 BTC it should be stored in a hard wallet like Ledger or Trezor.  Those are pretty idiot proof and will keep your coins safe.

 
Until I can walk into the Panera downstairs and pay with Bitcoin, it isn't worth anything to me. I fully understand the technology and all about it, so I'm not shooting from the hip and dismissing. I'm just of the opinion that it is currency mainly used by those doing illegal activities as of now. 

It is unregulated and backed by nothing. Right now it is all hype, and there will be a monster crash. Maybe it runs to $8k or $10k, but at some point, you'll see a tech bubble crash in the thing, just my take. 
I think that's the reason it sticks around. 

 
I'm not looking to earn millions and millions of dollars.   I have a couple hundred bucks I'm willing to drop in.

A couple guys at work just started and doing the same but we're all noobs.  So I can just signup in coin base to get started?   Use the APP?
I did the same thing, just to play around with it and watch it, mostly out of curiosity. I dropped ~$100 total to get like 1/100th of a Bitcoin, a fraction of an Etherium and approximately 1 Litecoin.  That was at the end of May. My portfolio value currently is about $190.  I have left it in my Coinbase account to this point. If I get more, I'll look into the wallet business. 

 
blockchain.info wallet is what I've always personally used.
So to clarify for a n00b.

1) Setup wallet on coinbase to buy and sell Btc. 

2) Setup up blockchain.info wallet - for long term storage of Btc since it's not connected to a bank account.

Is there a fee transferring from coinbase to bitcoin.info? Say I want to drop more cash into a gambling website...do I go directly from blockchain.info or do I have to transfer to coinbase first? 

TIA from a n0

 
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So to clarify for a n00b.

1) Setup wallet on coinbase to buy and sell Btc. 

2) Setup up blockchain.info wallet - for long term storage of Btc since it's not connected to a bank account.

Is there a fee transferring from coinbase to bitcoin.info? Say I want to drop more cash into a gambling website...do I go directly from blockchain.info or do I have to transfer to coinbase first? 

TIA from a n0
1) correct

2) Not quite.  I long term store my bitcoins right on coinbase, using their vault system.  If you wanted to send bitcoin to a sportsbook, you would want to relay it through the blockchain.info address first so coinbase doesn't pull your plug.  They can't risk association with grey markets because they are trying to comply to US banking laws.

There is a very small "mining fee" charged for transactions that is usually less than .01%

 
1) correct

2) Not quite.  I long term store my bitcoins right on coinbase, using their vault system.  If you wanted to send bitcoin to a sportsbook, you would want to relay it through the blockchain.info address first so coinbase doesn't pull your plug.  They can't risk association with grey markets because they are trying to comply to US banking laws.

There is a very small "mining fee" charged for transactions that is usually less than .01%
Awesome. Thanks for the help.

So do you use blockchain.info for ALL transactions or just for grey market stuff?

 
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Until I can walk into the Panera downstairs and pay with Bitcoin, it isn't worth anything to me. I fully understand the technology and all about it, so I'm not shooting from the hip and dismissing. I'm just of the opinion that it is currency mainly used by those doing illegal activities as of now. 

It is unregulated and backed by nothing. Right now it is all hype, and there will be a monster crash. Maybe it runs to $8k or $10k, but at some point, you'll see a tech bubble crash in the thing, just my take. 
I don't check the price often because I'm in long term.  But it was about $800 higher than what I expected when I checked.  Gives more credence to your suggestions, I was enjoying the back and forth so I hope I didn't piss you off.

I'm at the point where if I completely sold out and annuitized everything, I wouldn't have to work another day in my life (thanks internet!), but what fun would that be.  Maybe you're just my conscious I'm refusing to listen to.  

 
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When signing up for Coinbase and blockchain.info...is it necessary to use your real name or can you alias to sign up to keep anonymity? Does the sign up name have to match the funding source?

 
When signing up for Coinbase and blockchain.info...is it necessary to use your real name or can you alias to sign up to keep anonymity? Does the sign up name have to match the funding source?
Coinbase you will want to use all real and accurate information.  I believe they require scans of drivers license and current electric bill.  Ok to use a throwaway blockchain.info wallet e-mail address, but you'll need to be able to access it again.  Also store your 16 word recovery phrase offline.

ETA:  good throwaway address would be www.mail in ator.com or www.yo pm ail.com.  (no spaces)

 
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So China banning ICO and regulating cryptocurrencies is fake/good news?
uncited sources behind most of it, including the Wall Street Journal articles.  

Regardless, did the price of alcohol drop during prohibition? Institutions are still vacuuming them up.

ETA:  Talking in specific to bitcoin, the ico blanket ban had already been absorbed into the price.  

 
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It is unregulated and backed by nothing. Right now it is all hype, and there will be a monster crash. 
Tssssshssstssssshshshhssssssssss - You hear that? That's just the air starting to come out. A 30% drop over the course of a year in the dollar would have worldwide implications, this drops 30% in 2 weeks - lot of pain ahead when the real burst happens, this is just the air starting to leak.

If there was a safe and secure way to bet this was on it's way down A LOT more, I would... Unfortunately there isn't though. 

Highly recommend running - this is going to implode. Some people might look and say "well it already fell from $5k to $3,500, how much worse can it get?" - the answer is MUCH MUCH MUCH worse. 

It has zero value outside of speculation, when the speculators flee, lookout below.

 
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IT'S BEING MANIPULATED SO THEY CAN BUY MY COINS FOR CHEAPER!!!#%%##

Another 10% :coffee:

The bleeding will stop at some point in the next week or two, but it will only be a headfake/temporary reprieve.

 
IT'S BEING MANIPULATED SO THEY CAN BUY MY COINS FOR CHEAPER!!!#%%##

Another 10% :coffee:

The bleeding will stop at some point in the next week or two, but it will only be a headfake/temporary reprieve.
I like how you think 10% means anything, you're obviously new to the market here, we bitcoin investors piss on 50% swings.  Please go back to the stock thread where you hope to gain 5%.

Thanks

 
I like how you think 10% means anything, you're obviously new to the market here, we bitcoin investors piss on 50% swings.  Please go back to the stock thread where you hope to gain 5%.

Thanks
I thoroughly enjoyed this.

its moved down and up 10% since my post an hour ago :lmao:

 
My problem with the statements by Dimon is that the market of " Venezuela or Ecuador or North Korea or a bunch of parts like that, or if you were a drug dealer, a murderer, stuff like that, you are better off doing it in Bitcoin than US dollars," is easily large enough to support a currency. His effort to put bitcoin down, only reinforces in many minds the continued feasibility of digital currency. The size of just the illicit drug trade is roughly the GDP of Hong Kong or Israel.

There are many other competing currencies, but bitcoin is easily the largest. His statement about new currencies being produced is the equivalent of saying someone shouldn't have Hong Kong Dollars, because France can print more Euros. If a digital currency is to easily to mine, that currency will inflate and lose value. You don't need to have the most costly digital currency, just like you don't need to hold currency that has the highest exchange rate.

 
The key to identifying a bubble is to find an asset that you don't understand and that has increased in value a lot over some time horizon. It's that easy baby.

But oh btw when you find it, don't short it bc oh well there's no telling how high it might go and uhhhhh errrr also there's no way to do it safely (that's bull#### btw. There are several. And I find it funny that you've likely deposited to 5dimes with a credit card, but deem this unsafe).

Come on fc42, get some skin in the game. I won't agree with your position, but I'll certainly respect where you're coming from a lot more.

 
The key to identifying a bubble is to find an asset that you don't understand and that has increased in value a lot over some time horizon. It's that easy baby.
There are a lot of things that have ridiculous growth that I wouldn't call a bubble. 

If you think I don't understand blockchain, you're sadly mistaken, prob much more so than the typical coin investor. 

Bubbles are born out of irrational exuberance, just like I hear out of every coin investor.

 
There are a lot of things that have ridiculous growth that I wouldn't call a bubble. 

If you think I don't understand blockchain, you're sadly mistaken, prob much more so than the typical coin investor

Bubbles are born out of irrational exuberance, just like I hear out of every coin investor.
This seems unlikely, but I'm not going to argue that. Most people with some rudimentary knowledge think they understand the tech.  Maybe the disconnect is in understanding how revolutionary the tech is in application to currency. Whatever, not going to argue that point.

You going to get short? Why did you ignore everything else?

 
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This seems unlikely, but I'm not going to argue that. Most people with some rudimentary knowledge think they understand the tech.  Maybe the disconnect is in understanding how revolutionary the tech is in application to currency. Whatever, not going to argue that point.

You going to get short? Why did you ignore everything else?
No, I'm a sound investor, I don't buy or sell anything that consistently has 10-20% weekly swings, that's just risky/bad investing IMO.

I don't want anyone to lose money ever, so that isn't my hope - I just know coins have some gigantic hurdles in front of them and the price doesn't reflect that at all. 

The coin chat has been stimulating, but that's all the effort or care I have for it today. 

 
No, I'm a sound investor, I don't buy or sell anything that consistently has 10-20% weekly swings, that's just risky/bad investing IMO.

I don't want anyone to lose money ever, so that isn't my hope - I just know coins have some gigantic hurdles in front of them and the price doesn't reflect that at all. 

The coin chat has been stimulating, but that's all the effort or care I have for it today. 
I'm not sure what sound investor means. I think here you're using it to mean risk averse, which is a reasonable use I suppose. So you don't have the appetite for this level of variance. Fine. You sure made its eventual demise seem like a slam dunk just a few posts ago, though, so there's clearly a disconnect here. 1% of your net worth short crypto seems reasonable, not unlike having a small portion of your net worth in a PE investment which could hit big, but is likely to go to 0 ultimately.

(Mostly) not trying to be a #### here. I think we generally agree about stuff on this board. I guess I just don't understand how you can be so sure about something, yet not want to get involved financially at all. Variance happens, but you can't get rich as #### without embracing variance at some point.

 
I'm in this for the long term. Ten years from now you'll wish you were able to buy BTC at 4,000
I'm personally a bitcoin skeptic--but I admit that it's performance has proven me wrong up to this point.   However, for me--it very much seems that bitcoin is an investment that will have a very binary outcome.  Either it will skyrocket (which is what your prediction seems to indicate) or it will crash big time.   My biggest concern with bitcoin is that it has skyrcoketed soo much up to this point--that it's almost inviting governments to intervene and or add regulations to it or for trading it.    This is a giant question mark.  I think if you are believer in bitcoin--just don't over invest in it.   DIversify investments and create hedges so that if it does crash down--your ability to live comfortably doesn't crash down with it.   

 

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