The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) Where did it go? Westgate Wednesday afternoon (for Thur night) and sat afternoon (for Sunday and Monday night) they make a prop card. All .10 lines, all 1K limits. All together they had 13 player props listed and had a mix of comps/yards/rec/TD's. They offered mostly "stars" no totals on the Steelers 3'd string TE. Very impressive but if you're in town and the two games offered stink for props it could be a headache. Lines were fairly soft IMHO. William Hill "William Hill" sportsbooks cover mostly low end casinos around town. 4 queens, the D, Binions downtown on the strip you are looking at the Casino Royal. They had a robust Sunday/Monday night card. What made this place stand out was 2 things. They will book $50,000 so long as you register for a player card (my guess is that would only last a few plays). Even still they will book $1K without one. They had a "full" card for Sunday afternoon. Def wasn't a robust card all yardage props for major QB and RB, 14 in total. It should be noted that the lines were a little better than I would have thought. I sent them to Swirv and he agreed but we did manage to pick out a nice Andy Luck over that cashed (by 4 yards, but a winner is a winner). The Sunday night card was more like the Westgate and others maybe with a little more depth as they had reception lines on Witten. Ceasers told me to F off. No player props outside of the super bowl. Palms & Station Palms and the Station casino families were Sunday/Monday only. The Station book manager kept trying to point me towards the adjusted lines sheet as his "props". When I asked specifically about players he said they would have a few but they don't get posted until 2.5 hours before kickoff. Of all the properties that I asked around about player props this was the only place where I got the feeling they didn't want me around nor did they care for the line of questioning. Most other places were very candid and open. El Cortez (Stations) didn't have any of their props until Sunday morning (well, I guess it could've been Saturday night..but I didn't check) - they had 6 for the London game, then 12 total for the "regular" day games, then another 6 or so for the SNF/MNF games each M Life/MGM the "m life" or MGM properties had a nice prop card for Sunday night before I left. Maybe even a little better than Westgate/Hill in fact because it was less yards and more Comps/Receptions. Swirv saw the card here and there were a few leans but Dak under comps came in big for me. $1000 limits, no questions asked. Lines were .15 and they had some lines shaded so it seemed like they were on top of things. Edited September 13, 2020 by The Ref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) Put here by request Ok Men - so here is the trip/prop report from Vegas. Sorry it took me so long to find the time but redeye/work happens. The Westgate is the freaking bees knees. It was every bit as impressive a sports book as advertised. I could very easily see myself staying there next time I go. Even if you choose not to stay it's on the monorail so it's easy to get in and out of. Wednesday afternoon (for Thur night) and sat afternoon (for Sunday and Monday night) they make a prop card. All .10 lines, all 1K limits. Thing of beauty. All together they had 13 player props listed and had a mix of comps/yards/rec/TD's. They offered mostly "stars" no totals on the Steelers 3'd string TE. Very impressive but if your are in town and the two games offered stink for props it could be a headache. Lines were fairly soft IMHO. I caught Flacco O 257 and Eli U 266 and both were 10+ yards off and multiple cents higher by game time. "William Hill" sportsbooks cover mostly low end casinos around town. 4 queens, the D, Binions downtown on the strip you are looking at the Casino Royal. Frankly I can't even believe this place is still standing. Aptly described as a glorified keno desk. Like the west gate (and others) they had a robust Sunday/Monday night card. What made this place stand out was 2 things. 1) they will book $50,000 so long as you register for a player card (my guess is that would only last a few plays). Even still they will book $1K without one. 2) they had a "full" card for Sunday afternoon. Def wasn't a robust card all yardage props for major QB and RB,14 in total. It should be noted that the lines were a little better than I would have thought. I sent them to Swirv and he agreed but we did manage to pick out a nice Andy Luck over that cashed (by 4 yards, but a winner is a winner). The Sunday night card was more like the Westgate and others maybe with a little more depth as they had reception lines on Witten. I'm never ever staying here and I wouldn't make it a point to stay next door either but if I'm in town on a Sunday I'll stop by this or one of the other locations for sure. Ceasers told me to F off. No player props outside of the super bowl. both the Palms and the Station casino families were Sunday/Monday only. The Station book manager kept trying to point me towards the adjusted lines sheet as his "props". When I asked specificly about players he said they would have a few but they don't get posted until 2.5 hours before kickoff. Of all the properties that I asked around about player props this was the only place where I got the feeling they didn't want me around nor did they care for the line of questioning. Most other places were very candid and open. the "m life" or MGM properties had a nice prop card for Sunday night before I left. Maybe even a little better than Westgate/Hill in fact because it was less yards and more Comps/Receptions. Swirv saw the card here and there were a few leans but Dak under comps came in big for me. $1000 limits, no questions asked. Lines were .15 and they had some lines shaded so it seemed like they were on top of things. Hope this helps. Not sure if anyone has questions. I'm radioactive at my poker room right now.... all the books/agents know who I am and won't give me any real action anymore. I've had the talk with my wife that I may start to fly out next year if I can't find local action. Edited January 13, 2017 by The Ref Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 Just now, Aaron Rudnicki said: got deleted by accident I guess. looking into whether there's any way to restore it. Damnit @John Bender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 This is the second time this yeR I've been fooled into betting Jets overs and getting porked. never again until next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pigskin Fanatic Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 i have a one thread daily quota in the ffa and i posted in this thread and the pizzagate thread. somehow i think it's related. my bad. be glad i didn't post in the yoga pants thread or the pigeon thread. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Aaron Rudnicki Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 we will have to rebuild and make this one better than all the others 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 This is the fourth iteration of this thread isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxBill Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'm blaming this on Ryan Fitzpatrick and the artist formerly known as Fireman Ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Good Posting Judge Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Aaron Rudnicki said: we will have to rebuild and make this one better than all the others Destruction ---> Renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Posting Judge Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Julian Williams +110 Jesus Cuellar -150 Poquito. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan Lambskin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 You guys playing cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Lambskin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Also should send a bat signal @swirvenirvin @TheGooRoo @lumpy19 @WilliamBonney @John Bender @NIU Kicker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mquinnjr Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 We move on. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Beavers Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 We move on...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirvenirvin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Now I remember why I don't play over RB receptions or receiving. Sometimes I need to have that talk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy19 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 23 minutes ago, swirvenirvin said: Now I remember why I don't play over RB receptions or receiving. Sometimes I need to have that talk I played forte u2.5 and u17.5, unders didn't work either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirvenirvin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, lumpy19 said: I played forte u2.5 and u17.5, unders didn't work either receptions are truly 50% plays, receiving lean a little to the under. However lifetime I'm 54-68 on receptions overs and 5-11 this yr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Lambskin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 @Frostillicus @ChainsawU @BRONG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 That moment when you realize you have been talking Smack about Zeke Elliot the whole year........... ...... and you realize you have a 200/6000 bet on "field" for MVP and he's in it. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WilliamBonney Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Dan Lambskin said: Also should send a bat signal @swirvenirvin @TheGooRoo @lumpy19 @WilliamBonney @John Bender @NIU Kicker What kind of cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 So I'm headed out to Vegas Thursday night on a "Prop business trip". I've done some reading online and I've read some tips from some of you including @Tiger Fan on what's available when/where. If you want me to try and check something out while im there this weekend let me know and I'll try by best to investigate. the current plan is to hit the Westgate on Saturday late afternoon and the Palms (A station casino) on Sunday morning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamBonney Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, The Ref said: So I'm headed out to Vegas Thursday night on a "Prop business trip". I've done some reading online and I've read some tips from some of you including @Tiger Fan on what's available when/where. If you want me to try and check something out while im there this weekend let me know and I'll try by best to investigate. the current plan is to hit the Westgate on Saturday late afternoon and the Palms (A station casino) on Sunday morning. Looking forward to this write up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lumpy19 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I could only find one site with a heisman line Lamar Jackson -5000 So uh I guess that's that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Lambskin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Still a chance for Peppers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Fan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, The Ref said: So I'm headed out to Vegas Thursday night on a "Prop business trip". I've done some reading online and I've read some tips from some of you including @Tiger Fan on what's available when/where. If you want me to try and check something out while im there this weekend let me know and I'll try by best to investigate. the current plan is to hit the Westgate on Saturday late afternoon and the Palms (A station casino) on Sunday morning. Nice. Are you going to make it there before the Thurs night game? and I know it was in my notes, but Westgate didn't have anything at all for the Sunday day games...just Sun night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swirvenirvin Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 11 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said: Still a chance for Peppers I had good odds on him making it at 5d. Feel lucky he got invited because he certainly doesn't deserve it. Media and everyone else sure does an excellent job hyping this dood up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 57 minutes ago, Tiger Fan said: Nice. Are you going to make it there before the Thurs night game? and I know it was in my notes, but Westgate didn't have anything at all for the Sunday day games...just Sun night. Nope. Leave at 8PM EST so it will be over by the time I touch down. when did the Sunday night stuff get posted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Fan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, The Ref said: Nope. Leave at 8PM EST so it will be over by the time I touch down. when did the Sunday night stuff get posted? from vegas thread: Quote Also, for those interested....Been in Vegas all weekend. Surprisingly enough,all of the casinos who use Stations as line originators have the most prop options. They have the London game, SNF, MNF and about 12 other random player props for the regular games. Not great, but better than nothing. Westgate had their SNF and MNF prop sheet available Saturday morning - there were like maybe 5 total player props for each game El Cortez (Stations) didn't have any of their props until Sunday morning (well, I guess it could've been Saturday night..but I didn't check) - they had 6 for the London game, then 12 total for the "regular" day games, then another 6 or so for the SNF/MNF games each Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treynwreck3 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Well, if this isn't a fine mess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpy19 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 hours ago, Tiger Fan said: from vegas thread: TF any idea on limits for the props? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, lumpy19 said: TF any idea on limits for the props? I had someone go 2 months ago and he swears they had props at NYNY and they were $1K limits..... needless to say I'm going shopping this weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamBonney Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Anyone use DFS projections for a prop road map? I dabbled with NBA stuff a couple times with THESE GUYS projections and it didn't work out so well. I got to looking at the hockey and alot of their projections are 2+ off from the lines offered at bovada on saves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmbacm Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 3 hours ago, The Ref said: Nope. Leave at 8PM EST so it will be over by the time I touch down. when did the Sunday night stuff get posted? When I was outIn Vegas basic props for Sunday night and Monday games were available at westgate, MGM casinos, and william hill (bunch of these around, casino royale on strip is one). Only about 4 per team though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChainsawU Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Both the Spurs and Wizards came back from ≥ 15-point deficits in their road wins last night. Since 2013 when you had the night off but your opponent had to come back from a ≥ 15-point deficit to win on the road last night, you've gone 18-6 SU and 17-7 ATS against them tonight (18-1 SU and 16-3 ATS lined ≤ 5). The losses came by margins of 5,11,12,13,15,15. link Magic +135 Minny +155 Minny +5½ -140 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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