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My thoughts are that Chávez and Maduro and their terms of incompetents have ruined the Venezuelan economy far more than any sanctions from the US.  The thorough corruption and self dealing dwindled th

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My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more. He is without clean water as well. I'm not sure the amount of food he has on

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That's actually petty funny. My father in law has been working to get small generators set up in the hospital so that his patients can get dialysis. He actually thinks the number of deaths r

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6 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

The US should not get involved militarily, not even if there's a civil war. They need to convince other nations to stay out too and work through multinational coalitions to prevent violence and give humanitarian aid.

Yep.  Help pick up the pieces when it falls.  Until then a humanitarian presence on the borders will send an appropriate message.

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Jose de Cordoba‏ @Jose_deCordoba

Opposition leader Juan Guaido has landed in Caracas airport in #Venezuela to an ecstatic reception of supporters and a large group of diplomats who are there to insure his safety. Gauntlet has been thrown to Maduro. How will he respond.

8:28 AM - 4 Mar 2019

 

 

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2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Max Blumenthal, ya don’t say.

Question: how much does a hamburger cost in US dollars in Caracas? I’ll wait.

I imagine a lot. Your turn...

Do you think U.S. sanctions have helped the people of Venezuela?

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4 minutes ago, Franknbeans said:

I imagine a lot. Your turn...

Do you think U.S. sanctions have helped the people of Venezuela?

3.5 million Bolivars is the cost of a kilo of meat.

- I’m not sure, they may hurt. But 1. it’s appropriate because Maduro’s rule is illegal, and 2. and can be easily resolved by Maduro himself.

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And I get Dore’s shtick by now. He opens with a little intro from some propagandist (yes) and then he’s off and running from there. These dog and pony shows have been old hat for dictators for decades. 

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from a comment in one of the links...

America: Socialism is bad, so we have to sanction them, blockade them, confiscate their billions, take over their company Citgo, Steal their gold in UK banks, recognize a puppet as President, threaten military action, demonize its leader, give them forced aid, regime change them, appoint a convicted war criminal as envoy to restore democracy because we need to prove that Socialism is BAD.

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Just now, Franknbeans said:

from a comment in one of the links...

America: Socialism is bad, so we have to sanction them, blockade them, confiscate their billions, take over their company Citgo, Steal their gold in UK banks, recognize a puppet as President, threaten military action, demonize its leader, give them forced aid, regime change them, appoint a convicted war criminal as envoy to restore democracy because we need to prove that Socialism is BAD.

Here’s an article from the Miami Herald on the challenges Caracas shopkeepers we’re facing.

- This is 2017, yaknow, pre-coup.- Sorry, remind me again why the Assemby isn’t the voice of the people here? Why are they not able to address these inequities, but one man - Maduro - instead must?

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4 minutes ago, Franknbeans said:

from a comment in one of the links...

America: Socialism is bad, so we have to sanction them, blockade them, confiscate their billions, take over their company Citgo, Steal their gold in UK banks, recognize a puppet as President, threaten military action, demonize its leader, give them forced aid, regime change them, appoint a convicted war criminal as envoy to restore democracy because we need to prove that Socialism is BAD.

Yeah, quoting random comments isn't the best way to argue points.  This is gibberish.

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2 minutes ago, Franknbeans said:

I don't know and I hope it stays pre-coup. When is enough, enough already?

I agree there. I just meant pre-Guaido (I was being sarcastic).

I think the people have been done with Maduro since 2015, they just can’t get a free vote to show it.

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10 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I can see why.

- I can also see why the Assembly picked Guaido, the guy is channeling Bobby Kennedy.

You can also see why the US handpicked him.  He’ll be a good little puppet for Abrams and Bolton.  It’s amazing how transparent and blatant this is, yet people still choose to gaslight me and Frank.  

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6 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

I can see why. 

It's a tough racket. He really has similar takes (not exactly but similar) as CTH, who are more insightful, funnier and dont mess with weird conspiracies like the seth rich garbage. I've seen some Jimmy Dore, and I agree with some stuff he says but I just dont find his show compelling. 

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It's a tough racket. He really has similar takes (not exactly but similar) as CTH, who are more insightful, funnier and dont mess with weird conspiracies like the seth rich garbage. I've seen some Jimmy Dore, and I agree with some stuff he says but I just dont find his show compelling. 

Frankndore disagrees

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3 hours ago, Franknbeans said:
On 2/24/2019 at 1:37 PM, ren hoek said:

It's not a conspiracy.  It matches almost verbatim what Trump and John Bolton have said about Venezuela.  Unlike the fake news you read, they really couldn't spell it out any harder for you.  

The plan

Ooof...  This a pretty bad self-own on yourself.  What a disaster of a link. :(  

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24 minutes ago, msommer said:

Frankndore disagrees

Yeah I know hes a fan. We likely see the world very similarly. I cant judge him too hard just for him liking something I don't. Someone set me straight a while ago regarding that.

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3 minutes ago, Dedfin said:

Yeah I know hes a fan. We likely see the world very similarly. I cant judge him too hard just for him liking something I don't. Someone set me straight a while ago regarding that.

Venezuelans deserve to be free. As do we all in my book. 

Unfortunately there is a dictator ruling Venezuela that is deeply indebted to Russia.  He is starving his populace while repressing the popular will.  Russia is fueling a propaganda campaign both here and abroad.  Only his strategic allies like Russia (and their supporters here) will not acknowledge the situation.   Again, there has not been an economic collapse is modern day history like has happened in Venezuela. 

This is a complete disaster, but the anti-american news outlets are using it as some type of point.  Very sad

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4 hours ago, ren hoek said:

You can also see why the US handpicked him.  He’ll be a good little puppet for Abrams and Bolton.  It’s amazing how transparent and blatant this is, yet people still choose to gaslight me and Frank.  

But not for Trump himself? So odd to exclude him from that equation.

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On 3/5/2019 at 2:22 AM, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But not for Trump himself? So odd to exclude him from that equation.

No, Trump too.  I believe I’ve included Trump many times in the equation.  It’s why I said people supporting Guaido’s coup are the real Trump supporters.  

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https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal/status/1103372830144630785?s=21

Washington getting nervous as its coup plot in Venezuela flounders: "The longer Maduro is able to remain in power amid the sanctions, the more likely it is that Caracas will be able to find alternative buyers of its heavy crude oil."

Russian oil imports surge in US as Venezuela’s slow to a trickle

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17 hours ago, ren hoek said:

Isn’t Guaido’s 30 days up? 

This part is confusing. It is supposed to be 30 days, which I think ended this past weekend or the week before. However I believe the presidency of the Assembly is supposed to rotate every year between the 4 major parties, and this year is Guaido's party, so in that respect he is still president of the Assembly, which is the only legally elected leader in the country, still.

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Nationwide! power outage still going since yesterday afternoon. I'm a county without enough food or medicine, the lack of electricity won't help matters.

Let's just hope there's no widespread looting or violent crime.

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2 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Still a blackout?

I thought I seen you tube clips of people in Venezuela showing the situation is being overblown.  By people I mean journalists.  Any truth there?

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6 hours ago, IC FBGCav said:

I thought I seen you tube clips of people in Venezuela showing the situation is being overblown.  By people I mean journalists.  Any truth there?

My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more.

He is without clean water as well. I'm not sure the amount of food he has on hand. 

He is the the chief of medicine at a public hospital (not in Caracas), so I think he knows what the deal is.

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1 minute ago, The Z Machine said:

My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more.

He is without clean water as well. I'm not sure the amount of food he has on hand. 

He is the the chief of medicine at a public hospital (not in Caracas), so I think he knows what the deal is.

Wow, ty.

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9 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more.

He is without clean water as well. I'm not sure the amount of food he has on hand. 

He is the the chief of medicine at a public hospital (not in Caracas), so I think he knows what the deal is.

Is your FIL for a regime change by force?

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One of the things that has happened with the blackout is that no one can buy any of the food that isn't spoiled unless they have hard currency ($USD, maybe Colombian peso if you're near the border). Transactions are being done via credit and debit card, but without power, they can't do any electronic fund transfers.  Good you have dollars, but then you become a target of crime.

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1 minute ago, IC FBGCav said:

Is your FIL for a regime change by force?

I haven't asked honestly. The family talks about safety, food, water and how they can charge their phones, but about regime change right now.

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