Yep. Help pick up the pieces when it falls. Until then a humanitarian presence on the borders will send an appropriate message.The Z Machine said:The US should not get involved militarily, not even if there's a civil war. They need to convince other nations to stay out too and work through multinational coalitions to prevent violence and give humanitarian aid.
Jose de Cordoba @Jose_deCordoba
Opposition leader Juan Guaido has landed in Caracas airport in #Venezuela to an ecstatic reception of supporters and a large group of diplomats who are there to insure his safety. Gauntlet has been thrown to Maduro. How will he respond.
8:28 AM - 4 Mar 2019
I can see why.Venezuela has shut down twitter.
Just curious: how does a government do that? What is the mechanism?Venezuela has shut down twitter.
The FT had a sitdown with him recently too: https://www.ft.com/video/baa35083-91b1-46c9-80c3-5ca56de279d4I can see why.
- I can also see why the Assembly picked Guaido, the guy is channeling Bobby Kennedy.
Trump's coup is getting pretty intenseVenezuela has shut down twitter.
My FIL reports that it's not shut down for him.State owned ISP.
Just need to use a VPN to work around it though.
He's not in Caracas though, so it might be regional.Interesting. Some people are reporting they can access twitter, but images and video aren't loading for them.
Max Blumenthal, ya don’t say.
The planIt's not a conspiracy. It matches almost verbatim what Trump and John Bolton have said about Venezuela. Unlike the fake news you read, they really couldn't spell it out any harder for you.
I imagine a lot. Your turn...Max Blumenthal, ya don’t say.
Question: how much does a hamburger cost in US dollars in Caracas? I’ll wait.
3.5 million Bolivars is the cost of a kilo of meat.I imagine a lot. Your turn...
Do you think U.S. sanctions have helped the people of Venezuela?
Dore just has a show.Who stands to benefit from the propaganda? It ain't Jimmy Dore.
Here’s an article from the Miami Herald on the challenges Caracas shopkeepers we’re facing.from a comment in one of the links...
America: Socialism is bad, so we have to sanction them, blockade them, confiscate their billions, take over their company Citgo, Steal their gold in UK banks, recognize a puppet as President, threaten military action, demonize its leader, give them forced aid, regime change them, appoint a convicted war criminal as envoy to restore democracy because we need to prove that Socialism is BAD.
Yeah, quoting random comments isn't the best way to argue points. This is gibberish.from a comment in one of the links...
America: Socialism is bad, so we have to sanction them, blockade them, confiscate their billions, take over their company Citgo, Steal their gold in UK banks, recognize a puppet as President, threaten military action, demonize its leader, give them forced aid, regime change them, appoint a convicted war criminal as envoy to restore democracy because we need to prove that Socialism is BAD.
I agree there. I just meant pre-Guaido (I was being sarcastic).I don't know and I hope it stays pre-coup. When is enough, enough already?
It's also not wrong except the regime change part, yet.Yeah, quoting random comments isn't the best way to argue points. This is gibberish.
How long have you cared about Venezuela?Just realize that this is part of the playbook
You can also see why the US handpicked him. He’ll be a good little puppet for Abrams and Bolton. It’s amazing how transparent and blatant this is, yet people still choose to gaslight me and Frank.SaintsInDome2006 said:I can see why.
- I can also see why the Assembly picked Guaido, the guy is channeling Bobby Kennedy.
It's a tough racket. He really has similar takes (not exactly but similar) as CTH, who are more insightful, funnier and dont mess with weird conspiracies like the seth rich garbage. I've seen some Jimmy Dore, and I agree with some stuff he says but I just dont find his show compelling.I can see why.
Frankndore disagreesIt's a tough racket. He really has similar takes (not exactly but similar) as CTH, who are more insightful, funnier and dont mess with weird conspiracies like the seth rich garbage. I've seen some Jimmy Dore, and I agree with some stuff he says but I just dont find his show compelling.
Ooof... This a pretty bad self-own on yourself. What a disaster of a link. :(The planIt's not a conspiracy. It matches almost verbatim what Trump and John Bolton have said about Venezuela. Unlike the fake news you read, they really couldn't spell it out any harder for you.
Yeah I know hes a fan. We likely see the world very similarly. I cant judge him too hard just for him liking something I don't. Someone set me straight a while ago regarding that.Frankndore disagrees
Venezuelans deserve to be free. As do we all in my book.Yeah I know hes a fan. We likely see the world very similarly. I cant judge him too hard just for him liking something I don't. Someone set me straight a while ago regarding that.
But not for Trump himself? So odd to exclude him from that equation.You can also see why the US handpicked him. He’ll be a good little puppet for Abrams and Bolton. It’s amazing how transparent and blatant this is, yet people still choose to gaslight me and Frank.
No, Trump too. I believe I’ve included Trump many times in the equation. It’s why I said people supporting Guaido’s coup are the real Trump supporters.But not for Trump himself? So odd to exclude him from that equation.
This part is confusing. It is supposed to be 30 days, which I think ended this past weekend or the week before. However I believe the presidency of the Assembly is supposed to rotate every year between the 4 major parties, and this year is Guaido's party, so in that respect he is still president of the Assembly, which is the only legally elected leader in the country, still.Isn’t Guaido’s 30 days up?
I thought I seen you tube clips of people in Venezuela showing the situation is being overblown. By people I mean journalists. Any truth there?Still a blackout?
My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more.I thought I seen you tube clips of people in Venezuela showing the situation is being overblown. By people I mean journalists. Any truth there?
Wow, ty.My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more.
He is without clean water as well. I'm not sure the amount of food he has on hand.
He is the the chief of medicine at a public hospital (not in Caracas), so I think he knows what the deal is.
GB you, I thought it was going to be a black page.
Is your FIL for a regime change by force?My father in law just checked in after 50+ hours without power. He's says they expect the outage to last 7 days more.
He is without clean water as well. I'm not sure the amount of food he has on hand.
He is the the chief of medicine at a public hospital (not in Caracas), so I think he knows what the deal is.
I haven't asked honestly. The family talks about safety, food, water and how they can charge their phones, but about regime change right now.Is your FIL for a regime change by force?