Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
$10m for mr dalton.
This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL
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This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL
3nOut
Footballguy
I'd rather stick with Trubisky another year. This being a one year deal, I'm not sure what their long term plan is (is there one?). As I said earlier, I might be OK with this (slightly) IF they make a move up to draft a QB.
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Maybe they will sign AJ Green for $10m per season as well and reunite him with Dalton. I can't imagine Pace betting his future on Dalton so I expect they will draft a QB. Foles is already on the books for this year so this to me is a waste of money.$10m for mr dalton.
Thats hyperbole. 10 millions isnt an issue. Thats what you pay a guy you expect to start. Fitzmagic got 10 million to do do what he always does. 1 year, hes a placeholder. Its unispired but its certainly better than doing long term damage with draft picks.$10m for mr dalton.
Sure, but we dont know if Watson or Wilson were REALLY available, or available with what the Bears had to offer. My point is, imagine a world where Watson and Wilson rumors didnt exist... who would you expect the Bears to end up starting this year? Its either a rookie or somebody that looks a lot like Dalton... or worse. They are in a horrible position, theres no getting around it. Were all entranced with some miracle that nets us an established franchise QB, but that just doesnt mean there was ever a realistic scenerio where that was going to happen. It is what it is, where in the same place we expected we would be as of last December- Football Hell.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm thinking that if they really tried that hard to get Wilson, moving up in the draft might not be out of the question. Dalton signing wouldn't preclude that.
I do like Dalton a lot more than Foles or Trubisky though.
I do like Dalton a lot more than Foles or Trubisky though.
Mitch most likely doesn;t sign for one year
I'd rather stick with Trubisky another year. This being a one year deal, I'm not sure what their long term plan is (is there one?). As I said earlier, I might be OK with this (slightly) IF they make a move up to draft a QB.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
My son says about Dalton signing:
”That’s like replacing a 2010 Prius with a 2005 Camry and pretending to be excited because you have a new car.”
”That’s like replacing a 2010 Prius with a 2005 Camry and pretending to be excited because you have a new car.”
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Especially when it’s not like he’s any better than Nick Foles.$10m for mr dalton.
The Tick
Footballguy
You have to be kidding me!!!! This guy was out there last year and signed for NOTHING!!!! Then ended up starting and looked completely mediocre!!!! How in the hell does he get a 7M raise after last year???? We could have just signed him last year and not given up picks and 21M for Foles.
HOW DOES PACE STILL HAVE A JOB???
Eta: and I really wanted them to sign Dalton last year also, so it's not like I have anything against the guy.
HOW DOES PACE STILL HAVE A JOB???
Eta: and I really wanted them to sign Dalton last year also, so it's not like I have anything against the guy.
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The Tick
Footballguy
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Both took haircuts to play for great franchises. Nobody is going to bet on themself with this offense around them.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
That's pretty funny but a 2010 Prius can probably find the endzone better than Trubisky or Foles.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think it's more like trying to trade in a 78 Buick for a Ferrari (Wilson) and getting trolled by the dealership while they "run the numbers".
After waiting in the lobby for an ungodly amount of time, "Sorry but we're not giving you a Ferrari, but we were happy to take your calls and hear what you had to say while we laughed privately. Now please leave before we call security."
Then, you run with hat in hand to another dealer, but he only has a washed up 94 Aerostar with factory recalls pending and sells it to you for waaaaay over sticker price and then makes you take your trade in back home with you, too, because they ain't taking that ####. So, you have a new car now. A beat up minivan that may or may not get you to point B (which isn't the playoffs it is just week 17).
Ugh stupid Bears.
After waiting in the lobby for an ungodly amount of time, "Sorry but we're not giving you a Ferrari, but we were happy to take your calls and hear what you had to say while we laughed privately. Now please leave before we call security."
Then, you run with hat in hand to another dealer, but he only has a washed up 94 Aerostar with factory recalls pending and sells it to you for waaaaay over sticker price and then makes you take your trade in back home with you, too, because they ain't taking that ####. So, you have a new car now. A beat up minivan that may or may not get you to point B (which isn't the playoffs it is just week 17).
Ugh stupid Bears.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I mean I would take a 2005 Camry all day long.
Bears have reportedly been very active in pursuing WIlson and Watson - and maybe they were realistically out of reach with offering the 1.20 for starters - plus there was word about them reaching out to Pitt for Roethlisberger.
Thhis regime is in save jobs mode and Dalton is not going to do that - he is going to bridge us to the next guy who we will take on draft night by trading up.
Lance or Jones is coming aboard on draft night.
Thhis regime is in save jobs mode and Dalton is not going to do that - he is going to bridge us to the next guy who we will take on draft night by trading up.
Lance or Jones is coming aboard on draft night.
I think this is probably true, but Paces history of overpaying for draft moves and trouble evaluating QBs is scary. QBs are being mocked extraordinarily high this draft compared to history, thats troubling. We arent talking about Pace trading massive assets to get the consensus QB1, generational talent. Were talking about him trading massive resources to move up and get the third or fourth or fifth QB that a couple years ago would be a second or third round prospect. This all lines up playing into Paces weaknesses, and the whole NFL is well aware of it.
3nOut
Footballguy
Wow. The Bears offered THREE first rounders, a THIRD, and TWO starters for Wilson. Crazy. If they were going to offer that much they should have made that offer to Houston for Watson who is younger. Pace is showing how desperate he is and now the league knows it (if they haven't already).
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Doubtful. We don't have the draft capital to move up far enough to get one of the top guys. And no, Mac Jones isn't a top guy.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Exactly my point. I referred to him above as a 97 Aerostar. And a 2010 Prius is like Mahomes compared to Foles or Trubisky.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I'm going with a 2000 Chevy Aztek. It was marketed as useful, unique, competent, hey Walter White drove one. But it literally destroyed the Pontiac brand and was a vehicle that somehow got almost everything wrong.
Actually if you look at the trade value of draft picks two firsts and another get you to 1.06 range
Mac Jones will go top 15, maybe top 10. QBs are insanely valued this year. Smart move is to let a tackle or edge rusher fall to the Bears. But Pace, being Pace, will probably trade future picks to move up for a guy that would be a reach at 20 any other year.InDitkaWeTrust said:
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Exactly. Getting a Tackle in round 1 and taking a flyer on Trask in round 2 is how I'd like to see this draft go. The talent level at Tackle this year is insane and the Bears desperately need to solidify the rest of the line. But Pace being Pace will trade up from 20 to just inside the top 10 to pick yet another risky QB pick in Jones.
If Pace trades 2 firsts and a third or anything like that to move up and get the 4th QB in this draft he should be run out of town on a rail.
There is what economist would call an irrational bubble on QB value right now. In the last 10 years there are an average of 3 QBs taken in the first round. This year there may be 3 taken in the first 3 picks and almost certainly 5 in the first 15. There might be 6 or 7 QBs in the first round this year and thats crazy.
Is this a banner, unprecedented year for QB talent? I dont think so, although it does seems to be a strong year. Whatever the case, there is NO REASON to give away an extra 1st round pick (plus!) to get the 4th or 5th QB off the board by moving up a handful of spots. Even though that is SO on brand for Ryan Pace.
Historically, thats a 2nd round talent, maybe end of the 1st. And although there have been some real exciting QBs developing lately, the list of 1st round picks in the last decade is pretty sobering:
Paxton Lynch, Josh Rosen, Johnny Manziel, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden, Blake Bortles, RG3, Sam Darnold, Mitchell Trubisky, Marcus Mariota, Sam Bradford, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Ryan Tannehill, Teddy Bridgewater, Jared Goff, Andrew Luck, Josh Allen, Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Watson, Mahomes, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love.
That to me looks like a coin flip at best, especially when those are generally the top 3 Qbs in their drafts (on average) certainly not the 5th or 6th.
I know Bears fans are desperate for any glimmer of hope at the position, but putting yourself even farther behind by mortgaging the future on a guy just because he's on your draft board and everybody else is gobbling up over hyped QBs... that how you become the Chicago Bears. Lets stop doing that.
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I’m not arguing it’s the right idea. My statement is that it’s the best idea for Pace to keep his job.
he’s got to come out of this draft with a qb of the future
but I would favor a slight trade down to add picks and trade up to get Trask in 2nd.
he’s got to come out of this draft with a qb of the future
but I would favor a slight trade down to add picks and trade up to get Trask in 2nd.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Release top corner to make cap space for Andrew Dalton
rschroeder1
Footballguy
I can't wrap my mind around the Fuller cut. While the possibility coming into the new league year made sense, the timing does not. Why would he be cut today?
- If the goal is to clear up cap space, who is/are the FA targets? Several of the seemingly top OL free agents are already off the board before this move.
- If more cuts come (Hicks), is there a possibility Pace and Nagy have convinced the McCaskeys to tank for a year? I honestly can't see it.
- I realize the Wilson/Watson rumors are more clickbait than anything else, but part of me wonders if this Pace rearranging the face of the franchise with a future attempt at a Wilson trade in mind, whether it's cap space for Wilson himself post-June 1 (incredibly far-fetched, but I would believe Pace could believe anything) or finally offering a long-term deal to ARob to entice a Wilson-caliber QB. I'm not saying any of these moves would be rational, per se. But since we're talking about Ryan Pace, it seems in the realm of possibility.
- If the goal is to clear up cap space, who is/are the FA targets? Several of the seemingly top OL free agents are already off the board before this move.
- If more cuts come (Hicks), is there a possibility Pace and Nagy have convinced the McCaskeys to tank for a year? I honestly can't see it.
- I realize the Wilson/Watson rumors are more clickbait than anything else, but part of me wonders if this Pace rearranging the face of the franchise with a future attempt at a Wilson trade in mind, whether it's cap space for Wilson himself post-June 1 (incredibly far-fetched, but I would believe Pace could believe anything) or finally offering a long-term deal to ARob to entice a Wilson-caliber QB. I'm not saying any of these moves would be rational, per se. But since we're talking about Ryan Pace, it seems in the realm of possibility.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Went 1 season too long with Fox and everyone knew it. Same with Pace and Nagy. Now, they're intentionally sabotaging the franchise. Way to go, George!
flapgreen
Footballguy
You're thinking about this too deeply. The answer is much simpler than that, so there's no reason to try and twist yourself into a pretzel to understand it. Pace is an idiot and has no clue what he's doing. Yw
flapgreen
Footballguy
At this point, there's no reason to draft anyone available at qb except maybe Mills on day two. Top 4 or 5 will be gone before the Bears get a shot. Team has absolutely no clue what it's doing and reminds me of the Emery days. Clueless
Desert_Power
Footballguy
This is my thought too looking at this team's offseason moves. Nagy unlikely to make the full year with the way this is shaping up. I am slightly more positive on the Bears offsenive weapons that most though. I doubt Dalton is going to be a winner in Chicago, but he could still put up some FF points.
And did not cut Jimmy Graham when doing so would have shed $7M.Release top corner to make cap space for Andrew Dalton
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
This thread is like the guy who eats at McDonalds just so they can complain about how bad the food is.
Ok, this is ridiculous. 
