3nOut
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Yea, pretty great. Genuine reaction. There can't be a better feeling than being drafted by your hometown team.
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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Poles is playing 5D chess! (19 Viewers)
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Right, but just because you have a problem doesnt mean you have a solution. Kmet is an inline TE that is just learning to be a pass catcher. Its one of the hardest positions to learn. He doesn't have elite speed or athleticism to lean on. The odds that he's a major contributer this season are low. He's not a bad pick, hes a bad pick at that spot, given the options available that would be big time contributors day one. In the long run he might well be pretty good. But balance that against your other positions of need you cant live without, like safety. Id rather muddle through with Graham and Horsted for a season than forcing Eddie Jackson to play out of position so Deon Bush can stumble around. Its a question of priorities, they reinforced a weakness modestly instead of reinforcing a strength massively.
Sorry to filibuster, but for me this is the perfect example of who Nagy and Pace are. Pace is tilting windmills to make up for past mistakes, Nagy is convinced he can run his high powered offense here despite all evidence. Meanwhile youve got what still could be a generational defense and a good enough offense relying on running the ball and throwing to Robinson. Egos are ruining this window.
Cade McEnis
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After completing crapping the bed with the first pick, Pace does what he often does and crushes the rest of the draft. This guy is really hard to figure out
Cade McEnis
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Travis the Chimp
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Another corner and a Smurf WR. Pace follows up 3 good ones with 2 head scratchers. And no o line. Jeez.
Cade McEnis
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twistd
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Every thing they have done means nothing if the offensive line doesn’t play significantly better than they did last year. There is absolutely no reason to believe they will. Pace looked at the line last year and thought they were fine.They proceeded to play poorly, particularly at RG and at the tackles. They did bring in Ifedi. He is an improvement over what Long was capable of last year, but Long was banged up and ineffective most of the year. Massie and Leno were bad.
This year we have a similar situation. Pace is looking at the line and thinking things will be fine. They will not be. Leno and Massie are still bad. While Ifedi may be a bit of an improvement over Long, RG is still a weakness. The offensive line is the Achilles heel of this team, and they have done almost nothing to address that. If you can’t open holes you can’t run the ball, and if you can’t protect, you can’t pass it. Pace just doesn’t seem to recognize that.
This year we have a similar situation. Pace is looking at the line and thinking things will be fine. They will not be. Leno and Massie are still bad. While Ifedi may be a bit of an improvement over Long, RG is still a weakness. The offensive line is the Achilles heel of this team, and they have done almost nothing to address that. If you can’t open holes you can’t run the ball, and if you can’t protect, you can’t pass it. Pace just doesn’t seem to recognize that.
I look at the Bears Oline in the same way as the offense in general: its not good, but you also arent going to make it good this off season.
Last year suffered from a devils brew of a rookie center that didn't know what he was doing and a QB that has never known what he is doing. Things did improve when Whitehair was moved back. I think the middle is gonne be decent.
Masse and Leno are mediocre... But mediocre tackles dont grow on trees either. I didnt see anybody in the second round that would be better than AT BEST a latteral move. You dont expect starting offensive tackles in the second round.
All that together is my point- you cant fix a decade plus of blown drafts overnight. Adjust the offensive philosophy accordingly.
Last year suffered from a devils brew of a rookie center that didn't know what he was doing and a QB that has never known what he is doing. Things did improve when Whitehair was moved back. I think the middle is gonne be decent.
Masse and Leno are mediocre... But mediocre tackles dont grow on trees either. I didnt see anybody in the second round that would be better than AT BEST a latteral move. You dont expect starting offensive tackles in the second round.
All that together is my point- you cant fix a decade plus of blown drafts overnight. Adjust the offensive philosophy accordingly.
Bingo - I have been preaching this throughout free agency. I have a feeling they will start addressing the oline in the 7th round. I hope they use both picks on oline depth. I would rather draft an O lineman in the 2nd round than Kmet. I hope Kmet proves me wrong and turns into a pro bowler but a stud O lineman is a lot more valuable to a team than an average TE.
I was looking up the Bears picks and it appears that there is no information on Lachavious Simmons from Tennessee State. Looks like this was a major reach.
Arlington Hambright from Colorado sounds like a major project based on his scouting report. I don't think he will be able to help anytime soon if ever.
Arlington Hambright from Colorado sounds like a major project based on his scouting report. I don't think he will be able to help anytime soon if ever.
I agree with your sentiments. I really hope Kmet turns into something but was a little disheartened when I read his scouting report where it mentioned he would struggle with separation. At least he has some size so hopefully he can win jump balls and box out well.
At this point Deon Bush is replacing Haha. He hasn't played a ton but I have a feeling they might try to sign someone else unless he looked great on the practice field last season. I don't know who is still available as a free agent but I know there is still some decent talent out there. Clowney hasn't signed yet because nobody will pay him what he thinks he is worth. I doubt there is a big named safety like that out there but there are probably some players still available.pbandy1 said:
Travis the Chimp
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Cade McEnis
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Cade McEnis
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If Foles can play better than Trubisky last year, which seems almost impossible not to, they should win more games and challenge for the playoffs. Had quite a few injuries and weird things happening last year, but it was mostly because the QB was awful.
Travis the Chimp
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O line still looks bad. I am expecting the D to be better with a healthy Hicks and an actual pass rusher opposite Mack.
Cade McEnis
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I think the OL will be improved with better qb play and a different perspective with Castillo, but it does remain an issue.Travis the Chimp said:
rschroeder1
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I think there's some reason to believe the offensive line may regress to the mean and show some slight improvement this year. Leno, Massie, Whitehar - we've all seen them play better at times.
On the other hand, the coaching staff has to commit to dealing with the reality of whatever the offensive line is. More seven-step drops for long pass routes with only 5 blockers? I think we all know what is going to happen.
On the other hand, the coaching staff has to commit to dealing with the reality of whatever the offensive line is. More seven-step drops for long pass routes with only 5 blockers? I think we all know what is going to happen.
Cade McEnis
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Bears are signing veteran S Tashaun Gipson to a 1-year deal
Fills the last hole on defense at strong safety. Bears return to the best unit in football this year!
Fills the last hole on defense at strong safety. Bears return to the best unit in football this year!
The Tick
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Looks like Gipson has actually played more free safety then strong in his career. Hope the bears plan to play him at strong though, we Jackson is too good to waste at SS like they did last year.
Two interesting signings with Ginn and Gipson. Look to be nice late fillers at need positions late in the off-season. Neither are great players anymore, but hopefully are good fill in's.
Two interesting signings with Ginn and Gipson. Look to be nice late fillers at need positions late in the off-season. Neither are great players anymore, but hopefully are good fill in's.
3nOut
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So are you saying you'd rather have Winston or dalton? I wouldn't. Dalton and Winston were signed to be backups, Foles wasn't. He will be here for at least two years, so we're looking at about 8 per year.
rschroeder1
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Why exactly would it be better to have Dalton or Winston on a one year deal? Let's assume that Mitch is the back-up this year and doesn't play. The Bears would be entering 2021 with no quarterbacks under contract. Is that really a desirable situation to be in? I would think having a cost controlled QB under a team friendly contract would actually be something really desirable.
Although it should be noted that Foles has an opt-out based on unknown performance levels after 2020 and 2021.
The Tick
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3 first round picks, 0 played their fifth year option. 2 of the three he traded picks to move up to get.
Maybe someone else needs to be in charge for next year's pick.
rschroeder1
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I don't think that's really fair. Injuries to Kevin White weren't predictable.
Floyd ended up being a very useful starter. Can you really ask for more from first round picks? Not everyone is going to pan out as a superstar.
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rschroeder1
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With all due respect, if the Bears were to fire Pace, I would be curious to know who should replace him that you believe would regularly draft star players in the first round.
Is there any GM in the game who actually does this?
The Tick
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I'm not asking him to hit on every pick, but come on, we are getting rid of draft picks at an alarming rate, and we are losing a ton of picks on his small in draft trades giving us less chances to hit. He's taking these swings on players that he has to have that aren't working out. You don't keep your job doing that.
rschroeder1
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That's a fair argument, but I think you have to include the hits and the misses. Pace should get credit for trading up for Eddie Jackson, for example.
He traded up for Nick Kwiatkowski in the 4th round, which turned out pretty well, I would say, and is going to possibly net a compensatory pick.
He traded up for Anthony Miller; the jury is still out, but most of what I read seems to be positive on him.
Didn't he also trade up to pick a QB with the 2nd pick in the draft 4 years ago? LOL. Not to rehash this but he obviously thought Mitch was so much better than the other QBs in that draft that he was scared about losing that pick. He got fleeced by the 49ers.rschroeder1 said:
He also gave up a 4th round pick to move up to get Floyd because he thought the Giants were going to take him.
I think Pace has had some definite home runs but he has more misses in the top rounds. There remember reading that there were some rumors that teams were avoiding White because he was damaged goods before the Bears drafted him. I don't know if those rumors were ever substantiated. Does anybody else remember that? If that was true than you can place much of the blame directly on Pace.
twistd
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Foles has been in the league for eight years. He looked good in 2018 on a magical run. Prior to that he looked like a back up QB. Last year, he looked like a back up QB. So yes, Dalton and Winston would have been better options. Dalton has been an adequate QB. He won’t carry a team but he will provide professional play at the QB position. Winston actually has upside. If you can get him to limit the interceptions, he has great tools. You could sign either to a one year contract, fairly inexpensively. I think either would have been a much better choice.
Wise Old Owl
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Yeah its strange to me that people see Foles as having a better track record than Winston or Dalton. If your criteria is one great postseason, I think Flacco is also looking for a team.
rschroeder1
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All fair points. I don't follow college football, so I can't offer anything on White and injury risk.
I don't mean to come off as a Pace defender. But I'm just curious what team actually has a GM that fits the profile people seem to want here. I don't have any hard data, but I would guess that most GMs have misses more than hits in the first round.
I would certainly agree that Pace has, at times, become too enamored with his guy.
The Mitch situation I attribute more to large-scale organizational problems than Pace himself. Yes, it was his decision. But I was struck by the Tribune article from last year on how the Chiefs and Texans engaged in their draft processes. The Chiefs, for example, had everybody in the room - coaches, coordinators, scouts, executives - to make the decision on Mahomes. Pace, saddled with a John Fox regime he apparently couldn't get rid of until a certain point in time, didn't involve on-the-field offensive coaches in the decision-making.
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3nOut
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I can’t recall where I read it, but I believe Dalton had worse numbers than Trubisky last year. When was the last time Dalton had a magical run? Winston has upside, but so do Foles and Trubisky. All I want is a good competition. You say Winston and Dalton would have been better signings. For what a starter or backup? If either of them had signed do you think they’d have a chance to start over Trubisky? I’m not so sure. Foles gives the best chance for a legit competition.
3nOut
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Bears seem to have interest, but he'd be expensive. Who do they cut to fit him under the salary cap?
not sure - but we probably can't compete $wise with some other teams with more cap space... i.e. Browns, Titans, Lions, Bengals
