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Yea, pretty great. Genuine reaction. There can't be a better feeling than being drafted by your hometown team.
Yea, pretty great. Genuine reaction. There can't be a better feeling than being drafted by your hometown team.
Right, but just because you have a problem doesnt mean you have a solution. Kmet is an inline TE that is just learning to be a pass catcher. Its one of the hardest positions to learn. He doesn't have elite speed or athleticism to lean on. The odds that he's a major contributer this season are low. He's not a bad pick, hes a bad pick at that spot, given the options available that would be big time contributors day one. In the long run he might well be pretty good. But balance that against your other positions of need you cant live without, like safety. Id rather muddle through with Graham and Horsted for a season than forcing Eddie Jackson to play out of position so Deon Bush can stumble around. Its a question of priorities, they reinforced a weakness modestly instead of reinforcing a strength massively.I don't know how you can look at a depth chart led by 33-year-old Jimmy Graham and think that TE is not a need. Is anyone saying "I think we're good with Graham, Harris, Shaheen, and Horsted"?
This is a good analysisRight, but just because you have a problem doesnt mean you have a solution. Kmet is an inline TE that is just learning to be a pass catcher. Its one of the hardest positions to learn. He doesn't have elite speed or athleticism to lean on. The odds that he's a major contributer this season are low. He's not a bad pick, hes a bad pick at that spot, given the options available that would be big time contributors day one. In the long run he might well be pretty good. But balance that against your other positions of need you cant live without, like safety. Id rather muddle through with Graham and Horsted for a season than forcing Eddie Jackson to play out of position so Deon Bush can stumble around. Its a question of priorities, they reinforced a weakness modestly instead of reinforcing a strength massively.
Still not addressing OLTrey Burton was absolutely worthless. Graham was a dumb signing. But getting the best TE in the draft when it’s obviously an important position in this guys offense is not a bad thing. For God’s sake we bring in this great offensive coach and for 2 years we haven’t seen a glimpse of it. If TE is a position he needs then give him a talented TE. And we still got a very promising corner.
Today grab a couple of o lineman and a hard hitting safety and I won’t be able to complain.
He's a speed guy to replace Gabriel. Fine pick.Another corner and a Smurf WR. Pace follows up 3 good ones with 2 head scratchers. And no o line. Jeez.
Bingo - I have been preaching this throughout free agency. I have a feeling they will start addressing the oline in the 7th round. I hope they use both picks on oline depth. I would rather draft an O lineman in the 2nd round than Kmet. I hope Kmet proves me wrong and turns into a pro bowler but a stud O lineman is a lot more valuable to a team than an average TE.Every thing they have done means nothing if the offensive line doesn’t play significantly better than they did last year. There is absolutely no reason to believe they will. Pace looked at the line last year and thought they were fine.They proceeded to play poorly, particularly at RG and at the tackles. They did bring in Ifedi. He is an improvement over what Long was capable of last year, but Long was banged up and ineffective most of the year. Massie and Leno were bad.
This year we have a similar situation. Pace is looking at the line and thinking things will be fine. They will not be. Leno and Massie are still bad. While Ifedi may be a bit of an improvement over Long, RG is still a weakness. The offensive line is the Achilles heel of this team, and they have done almost nothing to address that. If you can’t open holes you can’t run the ball, and if you can’t protect, you can’t pass it. Pace just doesn’t seem to recognize that.
I agree with your sentiments. I really hope Kmet turns into something but was a little disheartened when I read his scouting report where it mentioned he would struggle with separation. At least he has some size so hopefully he can win jump balls and box out well.well the draft was OK. we didn't have a lot of picks to begin with. I wish we traded down from the Kmet pick and picked a guard later on. I like the CB, WR, and Edge picks.
I'm not a fan of his. Hopefully I am proven wrong.I agree with your sentiments. I really hope Kmet turns into something but was a little disheartened when I read his scouting report where it mentioned he would struggle with separation. At least he has some size so hopefully he can win jump balls and box out well.
At this point Deon Bush is replacing Haha. He hasn't played a ton but I have a feeling they might try to sign someone else unless he looked great on the practice field last season. I don't know who is still available as a free agent but I know there is still some decent talent out there. Clowney hasn't signed yet because nobody will pay him what he thinks he is worth. I doubt there is a big named safety like that out there but there are probably some players still available.pbandy1 said:I'm not a fan of his. Hopefully I am proven wrong.
And do we have a strong safety?
Ha no way man. They’ll win 6 or 7 games.Definitely in the running for Trevor Lawrence in 2021.
JeffersonAt this point Deon Bush is replacing Haha. He hasn't played a ton but I have a feeling they might try to sign someone else unless he looked great on the practice field last season. I don't know who is still available as a free agent but I know there is still some decent talent out there. Clowney hasn't signed yet because nobody will pay him what he thinks he is worth. I doubt there is a big named safety like that out there but there are probably some players still available.
If Foles can play better than Trubisky last year, which seems almost impossible not to, they should win more games and challenge for the playoffs. Had quite a few injuries and weird things happening last year, but it was mostly because the QB was awful.Ha no way man. They’ll win 6 or 7 games.
O line still looks bad. I am expecting the D to be better with a healthy Hicks and an actual pass rusher opposite Mack.If Foles can play better than Trubisky last year, which seems almost impossible not to, they should win more games and challenge for the playoffs. Had quite a few injuries and weird things happening last year, but it was mostly because the QB was awful.
I think the OL will be improved with better qb play and a different perspective with Castillo, but it does remain an issue.Travis the Chimp said:O line still looks bad. I am expecting the D to be better with a healthy Hicks and an actual pass rusher opposite Mack.
So are you saying you'd rather have Winston or dalton? I wouldn't. Dalton and Winston were signed to be backups, Foles wasn't. He will be here for at least two years, so we're looking at about 8 per year.So Dalton signs a one year deal worth up to $7 million. Winston signs a one year deal worth less than $3 million. And Cam remains unsigned. But The Bears sign Foles to a three year $24 million contract with $21 million guaranteed. Genius.
Why exactly would it be better to have Dalton or Winston on a one year deal? Let's assume that Mitch is the back-up this year and doesn't play. The Bears would be entering 2021 with no quarterbacks under contract. Is that really a desirable situation to be in? I would think having a cost controlled QB under a team friendly contract would actually be something really desirable.So Dalton signs a one year deal worth up to $7 million. Winston signs a one year deal worth less than $3 million. And Cam remains unsigned. But The Bears sign Foles to a three year $24 million contract with $21 million guaranteed. Genius.
3 first round picks, 0 played their fifth year option. 2 of the three he traded picks to move up to get.not picking up Trubisky's 5th year option as expected
I don't think that's really fair. Injuries to Kevin White weren't predictable.3 first round picks, 0 played their fifth year option. 2 of the three he traded picks to move up to get.
Maybe someone else needs to be in charge for next year's pick.
Out of 3 top 10 picks??? Yeah, I think you can ask for more out of them.I don't think that's really fair. Injuries to Kevin White weren't predictable.
Floyd ended up being a very useful starter. Can you really ask for more from first round picks? Not everyone is going to pan out as a superstar.
Well, he ended up a starter anyway.Floyd ended up being a very useful starter. .
With all due respect, if the Bears were to fire Pace, I would be curious to know who should replace him that you believe would regularly draft star players in the first round.Out of 3 top 10 picks??? Yeah, I think you can ask for more out of them.
I'm not asking him to hit on every pick, but come on, we are getting rid of draft picks at an alarming rate, and we are losing a ton of picks on his small in draft trades giving us less chances to hit. He's taking these swings on players that he has to have that aren't working out. You don't keep your job doing that.With all due respect, if the Bears were to fire Pace, I would be curious to know who should replace him that you believe would regularly draft star players in the first round.
Is there any GM in the game who actually does this?
That's a fair argument, but I think you have to include the hits and the misses. Pace should get credit for trading up for Eddie Jackson, for example.I'm not asking him to hit on every pick, but come on, we are getting rid of draft picks at an alarming rate, and we are losing a ton of picks on his small in draft trades giving us less chances to hit. He's taking these swings on players that he has to have that aren't working out. You don't keep your job doing that.
Didn't he also trade up to pick a QB with the 2nd pick in the draft 4 years ago? LOL. Not to rehash this but he obviously thought Mitch was so much better than the other QBs in that draft that he was scared about losing that pick. He got fleeced by the 49ers.rschroeder1 said:That's a fair argument, but I think you have to include the hits and the misses. Pace should get credit for trading up for Eddie Jackson, for example.
He traded up for Nick Kwiatkowski in the 4th round, which turned out pretty well, I would say, and is going to possibly net a compensatory pick.
He traded up for Anthony Miller; the jury is still out, but most of what I read seems to be positive on him.
Foles has been in the league for eight years. He looked good in 2018 on a magical run. Prior to that he looked like a back up QB. Last year, he looked like a back up QB. So yes, Dalton and Winston would have been better options. Dalton has been an adequate QB. He won’t carry a team but he will provide professional play at the QB position. Winston actually has upside. If you can get him to limit the interceptions, he has great tools. You could sign either to a one year contract, fairly inexpensively. I think either would have been a much better choice.So are you saying you'd rather have Winston or dalton? I wouldn't. Dalton and Winston were signed to be backups, Foles wasn't. He will be here for at least two years, so we're looking at about 8 per year.
Yeah its strange to me that people see Foles as having a better track record than Winston or Dalton. If your criteria is one great postseason, I think Flacco is also looking for a team.Foles has been in the league for eight years. He looked good in 2018 on a magical run. Prior to that he looked like a back up QB. Last year, he looked like a back up QB. So yes, Dalton and Winston would have been better options. Dalton has been an adequate QB. He won’t carry a team but he will provide professional play at the QB position. Winston actually has upside. If you can get him to limit the interceptions, he has great tools. You could sign either to a one year contract, fairly inexpensively. I think either would have been a much better choice.
All fair points. I don't follow college football, so I can't offer anything on White and injury risk.Didn't he also trade up to pick a QB with the 2nd pick in the draft 4 years ago? LOL. Not to rehash this but he obviously thought Mitch was so much better than the other QBs in that draft that he was scared about losing that pick. He got fleeced by the 49ers.
He also gave up a 4th round pick to move up to get Floyd because he thought the Giants were going to take him.
I think Pace has had some definite home runs but he has more misses in the top rounds. There remember reading that there were some rumors that teams were avoiding White because he was damaged goods before the Bears drafted him. I don't know if those rumors were ever substantiated. Does anybody else remember that? If that was true than you can place much of the blame directly on Pace.
I can’t recall where I read it, but I believe Dalton had worse numbers than Trubisky last year. When was the last time Dalton had a magical run? Winston has upside, but so do Foles and Trubisky. All I want is a good competition. You say Winston and Dalton would have been better signings. For what a starter or backup? If either of them had signed do you think they’d have a chance to start over Trubisky? I’m not so sure. Foles gives the best chance for a legit competition.Foles has been in the league for eight years. He looked good in 2018 on a magical run. Prior to that he looked like a back up QB. Last year, he looked like a back up QB. So yes, Dalton and Winston would have been better options. Dalton has been an adequate QB. He won’t carry a team but he will provide professional play at the QB position. Winston actually has upside. If you can get him to limit the interceptions, he has great tools. You could sign either to a one year contract, fairly inexpensively. I think either would have been a much better choice.
Bears seem to have interest, but he'd be expensive. Who do they cut to fit him under the salary cap?Saints cut Larry Warford. Would be excellent pick-up for the Bears, he will get interest from a lot of teams.
not sure - but we probably can't compete $wise with some other teams with more cap space... i.e. Browns, Titans, Lions, BengalsBears seem to have interest, but he'd be expensive. Who do they cut to fit him under the salary cap?