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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Poles is playing 5D chess! (22 Viewers)
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flapgreen
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
sure he did, however on all of his mocks he in fact had multiple qbs going in rd one including in his final MT going #1
So yeah, he kindof knows his stuff
So yeah, he kindof knows his stuff
flapgreen
Footballguy
Again, you can follow and believe everything this goof says. He's wrong as much as anyone out there and never has to answer for it. Just moves on like it never happened. So many better people out there to follow than the ESPN stooge. Clueless
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
Speaking of, yet another talking moron. Heath Evans
Wow. Heath Evans on #Bears QB Mitchell Trubisky
"I question whether he'll ever turn into anything that results in a starting QB...". Listen https://t.co/9BATilfsrX
What they do for a living is draw traffic to their sites and shows to create advertising revenue. That means being just right enough to keep a reputation with the public, but wrong enough to stir up debate and conversation...like this thread.
Much the way Vegas lines are about profiting from the distribution of gambling revenue, and only represent actual NFL game predictions to the extent that those placing the bets aren't misreading things.
I believe Jordan Morgan was on the Senior Bowl team Fox coached, so the Bears staff had a week to work with and evaluate him.
Sounds like they didn't just pick blind on this one, give him a chance.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
The guy has 13 collegiate starts under his belt.
Better, more seasoned prospects have turned out to be garbage, so he's not off base questioning what this guy is going to turn into.
KCitons
Footballguy
I will give them all a chance. Don't have much of a choice do I?
I'm not thrilled with the results of the draft. As flagreen says, it will be worth it if we get a franchise QB. I'm not sure we did, but I will root for the Bears regardless.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Wonderful.. another moron questioning the future of the can't miss QB that our franchise just drafted. /flapgreen.
I will second everything you said. We have no choice, and a high quality QB will be worth it all. But initially, I am slightly encouraged.
I will also add:
I am not only a Bears fan, but also a White Sox guy. The Sox have sucked since the 2005 WS, but they have changed their approach for 2017 and I am hopeful this has rubbed off of the Bears.
If we miss the '17 playoff's for the greater good of long term success then I will be happy enough.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Free agents to look at
Corey Clement RB
Deveon Smith RB
Matt Dayes RB
KD Cannon WR
Ezra Robinson CB
Edge
Carroll Phillips
Garret Sickles
Joe Mathis
Noble Naxhuwu
Brian Cox
Tashaw Bower
Keonta Davis
Devonte Fields
Chunk Clements RB
WR
KD Cannon (Baylor)
Travis Rudolph (FSU)
Travis Dural (LSU)
Artavis Scott (Clemson)
Damore'ea Stringfellow (Ole Miss)
Ishmael Zamora (Baylor)
Amba Etta-Tawo (Syracuse)
Bug Howard (North Carolina)
OL
OT Eric Magnuson (Michigan)
C Tyler Oloski (West Virginia)
OT Avery Gennesy (Texas A&M)
OG Tyrone Crowder (Clemson)
OG Johnny Caspers (Stanford)
OT Chad Wheeler (USC)
OT Storm Norton (Toledo)
OT Dan Skipper (Arkansas)
G Damien Mama (USC)
C Mason Cole (Michigan)
OT Levon Meyers (N. Illinois)
G Scott Quessenbery (UCLA)
C Jon Toth (Kentucky)
G Jessamen Dunker (Tenn St)
S
Lorenzo Jerome (St. Francis)
Jordan Sterns (Oklahoma St)
Jadar Johnson (Clemson)
Jarron Jones DT
Charles Walker DL
Austin Renko K
Corey Clement RB
Deveon Smith RB
Matt Dayes RB
KD Cannon WR
Ezra Robinson CB
Edge
Carroll Phillips
Garret Sickles
Joe Mathis
Noble Naxhuwu
Brian Cox
Tashaw Bower
Keonta Davis
Devonte Fields
Chunk Clements RB
WR
KD Cannon (Baylor)
Travis Rudolph (FSU)
Travis Dural (LSU)
Artavis Scott (Clemson)
Damore'ea Stringfellow (Ole Miss)
Ishmael Zamora (Baylor)
Amba Etta-Tawo (Syracuse)
Bug Howard (North Carolina)
OL
OT Eric Magnuson (Michigan)
C Tyler Oloski (West Virginia)
OT Avery Gennesy (Texas A&M)
OG Tyrone Crowder (Clemson)
OG Johnny Caspers (Stanford)
OT Chad Wheeler (USC)
OT Storm Norton (Toledo)
OT Dan Skipper (Arkansas)
G Damien Mama (USC)
C Mason Cole (Michigan)
OT Levon Meyers (N. Illinois)
G Scott Quessenbery (UCLA)
C Jon Toth (Kentucky)
G Jessamen Dunker (Tenn St)
S
Lorenzo Jerome (St. Francis)
Jordan Sterns (Oklahoma St)
Jadar Johnson (Clemson)
Jarron Jones DT
Charles Walker DL
Austin Renko K
ryno1980
Footballguy
I don't discount it as worth discussion, but why is this such a strong argument? As far as a recent example, Carson Wentz got 23 FCS starts under his belt and he was basically ready to start coming out of training camp. Everyone has questions. I see an awful lot of positives for Trubisky.
William Munny
Footballguy
Ok, now what /finding nemo
KCitons
Footballguy
SB Nation site has a listing of all UDFA signings. Is Pace even in the right sport. lol
Chicago Bears
Tanner Gentry, WR, Wyoming
Franko House, basketball forward, Ball State
Freddie Stevenson, FB, Florida State
Chicago Bears
Tanner Gentry, WR, Wyoming
Franko House, basketball forward, Ball State
Freddie Stevenson, FB, Florida State
flapgreen
Footballguy
LD will forever be the antagonist. Heath has no clue what he's talking about. Making huge judgement on a player he could never know those things about. And as usual, if Trubisky turns out to be good, Heath will never acknowledge anything he ever said about him. Never amount to anything near a starter or a leader of men, eh Heath? Yeah whatever dude. Like you have any clue about any of that. Just more mindless chatter that no one will every remember. Idiot
flapgreen
Footballguy
William Munny
Footballguy
Declining Fuller's fifth year option.
flapgreen
Footballguy
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William Munny
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
Fox sounds like a coach who doesn't even want to be here. Why is he still the coach, again?
"Is it going to be easy? No. None of this stuff's easy," said #Bears coach John Fox of developing a young QB. "But, we'll find a way."
John Fox was asked to put a final grade on this draft class. "Uh, I'm sure we'll get some input."
John Fox asked about what he likes about Trubisky, essentially says that he's a good player and lots of people had him ranked highly.
"Is it going to be easy? No. None of this stuff's easy," said #Bears coach John Fox of developing a young QB. "But, we'll find a way."
John Fox was asked to put a final grade on this draft class. "Uh, I'm sure we'll get some input."
John Fox asked about what he likes about Trubisky, essentially says that he's a good player and lots of people had him ranked highly.
William Munny
Footballguy
Didn't even know we were taking Trubisky until an hour prior. Might be the biggest case of lame duck coach I've ever seen. Pace might as well start the hiring process now.
I hate to be pessimistic, and I hope I'm wrong, but other than Kansas City, I think the Bears had the worst draft this year. Trubisky is a total question mark for a top-5 pick, and Shaheen is a project who faces a monster jump to the pros, and was an even bigger reach than Trubisky. I don't think they had a single good pick, and the only thing making their draft better than KC is at least they didn't trade next year's #1.
I'm longing for the Lovie Smith era.
I'm longing for the Lovie Smith era.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
Hoping having a new qb makes the job appealing to the next coach. Obviously, Fox has checked out and doesn't care. Probably why Fangio wanted out last year. As much as I think Loggains sucks, he may be the only one who wants to be here
flapgreen
Footballguy
.@AndyDPhillips is heading to the @ChicagoBears!
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KCitons
Footballguy
Just looking at this from another angle. Could Fox wanting out be because he feels Pace is a moron? Obviously, Fox has a experience in this league. He knows how to win (at least in regards season). Pace has a very short track record if success.
3nOut
Footballguy
I don't know why but I like Pace. I like the bold move to get Trubisky but the rest of the draft seems very mediocre. Pace is starting to look like the guy in your fantasy draft that reaches to find the gem/sleeper to make himself look like a genius.flapgreen said:
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flapgreen
Footballguy
If they're healthier, they should be much better. Stable qb. Defense stays healthy. Team was a disaster with injuries and no qbs most of the season. 3 new starters in secondary should help. But I can't say he's added the right talent to make them significant contributors this season. I'd say 7 wins is the absolute max they will win. Likely 6
flapgreen
Footballguy
DropKick
Footballguy
I'll give Flap credit in that his belief that you go get the QB you want was consistent with the Bears' thinking... but that was way too much to give up to come up one pick.
twistd
Footballguy
That was Jerry Krause, when he was GM of the Bulls, always reaching for the sleeper guy to prove what a genius he was. I agree, I see a little of that with Pace. He wants all the athletic, high upside guys. That has been his first three first round picks. But that approach is very risky, and can blow up in your face.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm much more concerned with the multiple risky picks he made. And with the fa signings. If Trubisky succeeds, all will be forgotten, but I'm not that excited about the rest.
flapgreen
Footballguy
twistd
Footballguy
In context, when you look at what the Chiefs and Texans gave up, or what the Rams gave up last year, it wasn't that much. The problem is that you probably didn't have to move up, so it was unnecessary. And I think they would have been just as well off with Mahomes later, or Kizer in the second. That is the sticking point for me.
ryno1980
Footballguy
I'm sure he was afraid Shaheen might not fall to the fourth. Seems like he would have. I'd have taken the CB from Florida that Chris Ballard nabbed right after him.
It does seem like he emphasized the makeup of guys he was picking. Liked the chip on the shoulder and football IQ comments about Cohen.
It does seem like he emphasized the makeup of guys he was picking. Liked the chip on the shoulder and football IQ comments about Cohen.
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twistd
Footballguy
From ESPN
Best move: If Mitchell Trubisky becomes the Bears franchise quarterback, general manager Ryan Pace will look like a genius for moving up one spot to take him. The Bears have been without a marquee quarterback since Sid Luckman in the 1940s. The Jay Cutler era is over, and fans want to move forward. Trubisky could be the missing piece, as long as he develops properly.
Riskiest move: Every … single … pick, including Trubisky. If Trubisky is a bust – he only started one year at North Carolina – Pace is toast. Second-round tight end Adam Shaheen played Division II. So did fifth-round guard Jordan Morgan. Chicago traded up for Alabama safety Eddie Jackson in Round 4, but he broke his leg last year. Later in the fourth round, Chicago drafted running back Tarik Cohen from FCS school North Carolina A&T. I’m going to lay down. -- Jeff Dickerson
Best move: If Mitchell Trubisky becomes the Bears franchise quarterback, general manager Ryan Pace will look like a genius for moving up one spot to take him. The Bears have been without a marquee quarterback since Sid Luckman in the 1940s. The Jay Cutler era is over, and fans want to move forward. Trubisky could be the missing piece, as long as he develops properly.
Riskiest move: Every … single … pick, including Trubisky. If Trubisky is a bust – he only started one year at North Carolina – Pace is toast. Second-round tight end Adam Shaheen played Division II. So did fifth-round guard Jordan Morgan. Chicago traded up for Alabama safety Eddie Jackson in Round 4, but he broke his leg last year. Later in the fourth round, Chicago drafted running back Tarik Cohen from FCS school North Carolina A&T. I’m going to lay down. -- Jeff Dickerson
