You're not wrong.This thread is like the guy who eats at McDonalds just so they can complain about how bad the food is.
You're not wrong.This thread is like the guy who eats at McDonalds just so they can complain about how bad the food is.
Bears defense without Fuller, and if they deal Mack as you predict, it may look different. This is a pretty rosey proposition.Andy Dalton is an upgrade over Trubisky. Trubisky cannot run a pro style offense. His upside is his legs.
There are many kids in the draft that can produce like Trubisky from Day 1 with better legs. These kids however, cannot run a pro style offense like Andy Dalton can.
You're going to see the Bears hitting on mid and intermediate routes, touch passes on the sideline that Trubisky wishes he could hit.
We UPGRADED our QB position and my guess is since it's only a 1 year deal, we're gearing up to draft a guy this year or next. It makes the upcoming draft that more intriguing.
I think you take a stud defensive player here and anticipate dealing Mack based on the results of this season.
Bears defense is credible. Dalton can make the playoffs and win a playoff game. This will be the best defense he's played with this decade.
Trubisky signed a one year deal for $2.5M with the Bills.Bears defense without Fuller, and if they deal Mack as you predict, it may look different. This is a pretty rosey proposition.
Trubisky doesn’t get a fair shake imo. He was 3-1 to start the year, came back at the end of the year amd lost 2 games before winning the next 3 and losing in the final. He was 6-3 as a starter. Being a lions fan I see a fair number of bears games (granted they make every qb look great) but he seemed to scrap and wasn’t terrible in my opinion. I wouldn’t want to commit to him if there were better options but I don’t think dalton is that option.
Obviously no one is trying to sign him immediately so that speaks to the level of interest, but he’s a guy I think will be a shrewd signing by someone like NE if they can’t get mariota (assuming he doesn’t agree to less $$). There are a lot of cards to fall as far as qb goes.
Oh I missed that one- thanks for the update.Trubisky signed a one year deal for $2.5M with the Bills.
When you already had the same QB on the roster.Release top corner to make cap space for Andrew Dalton
Trubisky's wins and bloated stat line came against bottom of the barrel defenses. He was genuinely awful reading defenses, couldn't keep mental clarity during any given play and relied on physical gifts far more than learning how the game is played in the NFL. I suppose things may slow down or click for him after a few years on the bench, but I doubt he'll ever be much more than a career backup.Snorkelson said:Bears defense without Fuller, and if they deal Mack as you predict, it may look different. This is a pretty rosey proposition.
Trubisky doesn’t get a fair shake imo. He was 3-1 to start the year, came back at the end of the year amd lost 2 games before winning the next 3 and losing in the final. He was 6-3 as a starter. Being a lions fan I see a fair number of bears games (granted they make every qb look great) but he seemed to scrap and wasn’t terrible in my opinion. I wouldn’t want to commit to him if there were better options but I don’t think dalton is that option.
Obviously no one is trying to sign him immediately so that speaks to the level of interest, but he’s a guy I think will be a shrewd signing by someone like NE if they can’t get mariota (assuming he doesn’t agree to less $$). There are a lot of cards to fall as far as qb goes.
It seems the powers that be have no damn idea what they are doing... This team is getting worse because of the bad player decisions Pace has made and the bad contracts he's signed players to. We have multiple mediocre players over 30 on UNCUTTABLE contracts (Quinn, Trevathan) and it's forcing us to cut or trade some of our most productive players. Pace is a horrible GM and needs to go ASAP.With a potential trade of Hicks coming up, I really can't see the franchise intentionally tanking. It really seems the powers that be have decided to build a league-winning offense around...Andy Dalton.
At least the Bears aren't boring.
Any truth to the rumor Bill O’Brien to become director of player personnel in Chicago?It seems the powers that be have no damn idea what they are doing... This team is getting worse because of the bad player decisions Pace has made and the bad contracts he's signed players to. We have multiple mediocre players over 30 on UNCUTTABLE contracts (Quinn, Trevathan) and it's forcing us to cut or trade some of our most productive players. Pace is a horrible GM and needs to go ASAP.
He shouldn't be allowed to trade future draft picks at this point because whoever takes over next is going to need all the picks he can get to repair this team.
But does that make anyone happy? Is winning a playoff game the goal? And having to start over again at qb in 2022?CFB Sicko said:Andy Dalton is an upgrade over Trubisky. Trubisky cannot run a pro style offense. His upside is his legs.
There are many kids in the draft that can produce like Trubisky from Day 1 with better legs. These kids however, cannot run a pro style offense like Andy Dalton can.
You're going to see the Bears hitting on mid and intermediate routes, touch passes on the sideline that Trubisky wishes he could hit.
We UPGRADED our QB position and my guess is since it's only a 1 year deal, we're gearing up to draft a guy this year or next. It makes the upcoming draft that more intriguing.
I think you take a stud defensive player here and anticipate dealing Mack based on the results of this season.
Bears defense is credible. Dalton can make the playoffs and win a playoff game. This will be the best defense he's played with this decade.
To be fair, the NYG look like smacked asses right now because they grossly overpaid an injury prone WR, so I'm not too upset.mbuehner said:Pace only come up 61 million short on his Golladay offer. So close...
I agree, and if Pace got outbid with a reasonable offer i wouldn't want him to overpay. But when he embarrasses himself with a ridiculous offer and then apparently publicizes it.To be fair, the NYG look like smacked asses right now because they grossly overpaid an injury prone WR, so I'm not too upset.
I never understood why the Bears paid him $10M. Didn't Winston get $5M with incentives? Granted, the Bears expect Dalton to be their starter, but who else was going to sign him for that reason? Bears did overpay.$10m for mr dalton. This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL
Low bar, theres only Jim McMahon in 85 and Mitch as an alternate.A friend of mine told me that Dalton has more pro bowls than all Bears QBs combined during the Super Bowl era. Is that true?
Bears signed RB Damien Williams, formerly of the Chiefs, to a one-year contract.
Williams, released by KC this month after opting out of the 2020 season, has plenty of familiarity with Chicago's coaching staff. He worked with offensive coordinator Bill Lazor in Miami and knows head coach Matt Nagy's offensive scheme from their days together in Kansas City. Williams' addition to the Bears backfield very much complicates David Montgomery's path to the massive volume he saw in 2020. A mere four running backs last season had more total opportunity (rushing attempts plus targets) than Montgomery, who thrived in a series of great late-season matchups. Tarik Cohen coming back from injury and the Williams signing are major hits to Montgomery's usage and upside in the Bears offense.
Meh. Williams is a depth signing. Even with Cohen at full strength, we needed a backup RB. Good signing and doesn't diminish Monty's value at all. It does, however, elevate the offense in the unlikely event that Cohen and Monty are out at the same time. You know, maybe a torn ACL and Covid? Not that THAT would ever happen...Hot Sauce Guy said:Monty owners simply cannot catch a break.
I wonder if this signals something is slow going with Cohen’s recovery?
Anyway, D.Will (no, not that one. Not that one either) is a Bear.
Bears signed RB Damien Williams, formerly of the Chiefs, to a one-year contract.
Williams, released by KC this month after opting out of the 2020 season, has plenty of familiarity with Chicago's coaching staff. He worked with offensive coordinator Bill Lazor in Miami and knows head coach Matt Nagy's offensive scheme from their days together in Kansas City. Williams' addition to the Bears backfield very much complicates David Montgomery's path to the massive volume he saw in 2020. A mere four running backs last season had more total opportunity (rushing attempts plus targets) than Montgomery, who thrived in a series of great late-season matchups. Tarik Cohen coming back from injury and the Williams signing are major hits to Montgomery's usage and upside in the Bears offense.
Love your incredible insight!I hate this damn team
Dalton is a nice guy but he isn't an upgrade over anyone. Literally every other starting QB in the league is better than the Bears current starting QB, and most backups are better too. This is one of the worst signings in league history.Andy Dalton is an upgrade over Trubisky. Trubisky cannot run a pro style offense. His upside is his legs.
There are many kids in the draft that can produce like Trubisky from Day 1 with better legs. These kids however, cannot run a pro style offense like Andy Dalton can.
You're going to see the Bears hitting on mid and intermediate routes, touch passes on the sideline that Trubisky wishes he could hit.
We UPGRADED our QB position and my guess is since it's only a 1 year deal, we're gearing up to draft a guy this year or next. It makes the upcoming draft that more intriguing.
I think you take a stud defensive player here and anticipate dealing Mack based on the results of this season.
Bears defense is credible. Dalton can make the playoffs and win a playoff game. This will be the best defense he's played with this decade.
Mar 18 flapgreen changed the title to ***Chicago Bears Thread*** Embarrassment to the human race
Another well done for the thread title.lol at the thread title. Sorry guys.
I'd take a shot with Tua.Sounds like Darnold and maybe Tua will be available. But you can’t bench Sam for Andy......maybe you could bench tua for a few weeks.
and talk the Wilson deal may not be dead
I think it will be Darnold. Seems like it is time for the Jets to go in a different direction.I honestly think we are getting a QB.
What's your preference
Draft Lance or Jones or Trask at right price
Trade for Darnold
Give the king's ransom for Wilson
Unless Pace already has a secret extension (possible since they refused to comment on how many years were left on his contract) I just don't see Pace risking his job on a boom/bust move like Darnold. If they can't do something big, I really think they would rather try to be "safe" with Dalton/Foles and hope they can play defense and get to 9 wins and see if that is enough to give them an extension.I think it will be Darnold. Seems like it is time for the Jets to go in a different direction.
This is the most responsible move, so in a sense it would speak well of Pace. But his bosses arent the most rational people and Pace isnt the most patient guy.Unless Pace already has a secret extension (possible since they refused to comment on how many years were left on his contract) I just don't see Pace risking his job on a boom/bust move like Darnold. If they can't do something big, I really think they would rather try to be "safe" with Dalton/Foles and hope they can play defense and get to 9 wins and see if that is enough to give them an extension.
I think he caps Monty’s upside, especially confined with Cohen’s return. If I’m a dynasty owner I probably sell. I avoid Monty in redraft at what’s likely to be a late 2nd / early 3rd round price tag.Sounds like a Monty owner. Williams a damn good back.
Well, Lance may well be a Niner. I’d bank on one of Lance or Fields going at 3, so I hope y’all are happy with whichever.I honestly think we are getting a QB.
What's your preference
Draft Lance or Jones or Trask at right price
Trade for Darnold
Give the king's ransom for Wilson
This is the most responsible move, so in a sense it would speak well of Pace. But his bosses arent the most rational people and Pace isnt the most patient guy.The Tick said:Unless Pace already has a secret extension (possible since they refused to comment on how many years were left on his contract) I just don't see Pace risking his job on a boom/bust move like Darnold. If they can't do something big, I really think they would rather try to be "safe" with Dalton/Foles and hope they can play defense and get to 9 wins and see if that is enough to give them an extension.
I think you can get Trask without trading up in the second, and if not, this QB gold rush is even more insane than predicted and theres gonna be some huge value dropping.I think I am favoring a trade up in round 2 of about 10 spots for Trask. Should cost us a 2nd and a 3rd - plus we should get a pick in return.
Makes the team look logical.
Dalton as a one year start
Taking an OT in round 1
Trask as the starter in 2022
Maybe - I would be concerned if Den or NE don’t get a qb in round 1 - may be worthwhile to move ahead of them.I think you can get Trask without trading up in the second, and if not, this QB gold rush is even more insane than predicted and theres gonna be some huge value dropping.
No he was already going in 4th even 5th. He actually may fall to 5/6 territory and become a buy. Nobody wants him.Hot Sauce Guy said:I avoid Monty in redraft at what’s likely to be a late 2nd / early 3rd round price tag.
really? I would have thought on the heels of his big year there would be some believers.No he was already going in 4th even 5th. He actually may fall to 5/6 territory and become a buy. Nobody wants him.
I think people are really down on the team in general, and particularly down on the offense after the Dalton signing. Not sure I understand that feeling as Dalton/Foles doesn't seem like all that much of a downgrade from Foles/Trubisky in my eyes. It was a bit of a surprise they ended up keeping Robinson so I don't really understand all the doom and gloom toward the team. Yeah, landing R.Wilson would have been AMAZING but ~20+ other teams also would have loved landing him as well.really? I would have thought on the heels of his big year there would be some believers.
As an ARob owner I keep getting low offers like, “well the bears are gonna be terrible with Dalton, so....”I think people are really down on the team in general, and particularly down on the offense after the Dalton signing. Not sure I understand that feeling as Dalton/Foles doesn't seem like all that much of a downgrade from Foles/Trubisky in my eyes. It was a bit of a surprise they ended up keeping Robinson so I don't really understand all the doom and gloom toward the team. Yeah, landing R.Wilson would have been AMAZING but ~20+ other teams also would have loved landing him as well.
I have to confess that I have been guilty of offers for sliding players in the past. In the case of ARob it's a double dip because so many people were convinced he might change teams, and then those same folks were excited on the Wilson rumors.As an ARob owner I keep getting low offers like, “well the bears are gonna be terrible with Dalton, so....”
I tried to buy low on Cooks & the owner was as stubborn as I now am with ARob. Dalton was plenty capable of getting the rock to the weapons in Dallas, and ARob is far and away the best receiver in CHI. I have more optimism for Dalton than what the Bears have thrown out there the last couple years. Hell, if Trubisky could lead a receiver instead of constantly throwing behind them Arob would probably have had 10 more TDs.Anyway, probably straying too far from the Bears in a B ear thread but my tie-in is teams like CHI and HOU that seem to only get bad press and hate can definitely be good "buy low" opportunities. Holding ARob right now is smart just like those folks were smart to hold(or even buy) Cooks last year.
One reason I'm bullish on a Dalton led Bears offense is I feel like we have seen something similar before. Nagy was the OC in KC when a 33yo Alex Smith had far and away his best offensive season of his career and ended up getting that silly WAS extension as a result. Dalton has a reputation as dink-and-dunk guy but so did Smith before he met Nagy. I can just picture Dalton running THAT specific offense well. And to be fair Nagy was brought into CHI to fix a QB he inherited, so maybe that offense can work better with a weaker armed, less mobile QB that processes information faster and makes fewer mistakes.Dalton was plenty capable of getting the rock to the weapons in Dallas, and ARob is far and away the best receiver in CHI. I have more optimism for Dalton than what the Bears have thrown out there the last couple years.
The only scenario that makes any sense here is drafting Trask at the right price. I don't think Lance or Jones make it out of the top 10, nor do I think it makes sense to trade for Darnold when you have Dalton/Foles. Taking a flyer on a guy like Trask if he falls to you or you don't have to give up much to get him is really the only way the QB roster changes significantly.I honestly think we are getting a QB.
What's your preference
Draft Lance or Jones or Trask at right price
Trade for Darnold
Give the king's ransom for Wilson