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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Poles is playing 5D chess! (15 Viewers)
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They won't after the fact. Everyone knows that that one of the top characteristics of a QB is accuracy. Without it, you are K-stink or OsWILDer. They will then pick near the bottom again or even 1st overall and then potentially hand Sam Darnold over to some smart team.
Oh, he's got all that, yeah but he's also inaccurate. That's his biggest negative.
Weaknesses
Gets stuck on primary read missing out on early openers around field. May not have eyes or compact release to spot and hit flashing targets. Can be too reliant upon arm strength over mechanics. Wants open throwing window rather than operating with early anticipation. Can improve in leading receivers and throwing stationary targets open. Too hesitant. Gets caught in pump fake vortex at times. Quick to drop his eyes and halt progressions when pocket warms up. Inconsistent decision-maker. Showed dreadful lapses in judgement that lead to interceptions. Too willing to make off-balanced heaves.
Here's the problem. Take him in the 1st round, (you and I both know he won't sit long if at all), and you create a recipe for failure. He lacks experience and is inaccurate...IN COLLEGE. In the pros he will become David Carr...drop back, see 1st read covered, run. Wash, rinse repeat...wash out of league. He doesn't 'throw his WR's open' One weakness is he waits for someone to be open before he lets it go. You an learn that while watching. He will be playing if he's in the top 5.
Seriously, you will wish this guy was never on your team. Some team is going to suck bad and get Sam Darnold, who is infinitely better than anyone in this class. That will be the lucky franchise.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788541/article/usc-qb-sam-darnold-generating-buzz-at-2017-nfl-combine
flapgreen
Footballguy
No qb in this draft is near perfect. You also have to take into account how bad the talent around him was this year. He was much better last year. Out of this qb class, he easily has the biggest upside. He'll go first because he has all of the tools. Whether he's successful or not, who knows.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Any qb starting on this team as a rookie is a recipe for failure. Pace and Fox are trying to save their jobs and practice what they've been preaching, plain and simple. Pace already looks like a fool by not drafting a qb in his first 2 years after he already said he could draft a qb every year. They'll get a qb, somehow. I think it's most likely to be with the 3rd pick or after they trade down with the 3rd pick.
The Tick
Footballguy
I'd be sad if we took him there, so when you said praying I thought you may mean our second round pick. Just don't think any of those QB's are worth a top 3 pick when there will be guys that I think will have much better careers sitting there.
The Allen news is interesting and concerning though. I was really hoping for him there.
icecat4270
Footballguy
I was hoping for Allen too. I haven't been too excited about the Quarterbacks but if they have one they really like I'm fine taking them third but would really rather they wait.
I guess one of the top Safeties either Hooker or Allen would be good. God knows we need defensive backs badly.
Overall I really hope they mostly go Best Player. We aren't that strong anywhere that we can afford to pass on true talent.
I guess one of the top Safeties either Hooker or Allen would be good. God knows we need defensive backs badly.
Overall I really hope they mostly go Best Player. We aren't that strong anywhere that we can afford to pass on true talent.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I read this morning that the Bears were actively shopping their 3rd overall pick which doesn't surprise me. They wouldn't be doing their jobs if they weren't shopping it to see what they could get.
Now that it looks like Allen isn't an option at 3 I guess it's either QB, CB or S. I don't know why but I am not as excited for this pick compared to how I was a couple months ago. It doesn't seem there is a true top 5 players in this draft. It seems like Garrett is the only, no doubt player. It just doesn't feel like the Bears have a major advantage having that 3rd pick over other teams.
Now that it looks like Allen isn't an option at 3 I guess it's either QB, CB or S. I don't know why but I am not as excited for this pick compared to how I was a couple months ago. It doesn't seem there is a true top 5 players in this draft. It seems like Garrett is the only, no doubt player. It just doesn't feel like the Bears have a major advantage having that 3rd pick over other teams.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Free agency starts in 1 week. Along with re-signing Alshon, the Bears need to be looking at Poe, Gilmore and Stills first, then Jefferson/Bouye after them. Any two of those guys is a start.
If Pace lets Alshon go for 14-15 million, he's a fool and nothing else will even matter.
If Pace lets Alshon go for 14-15 million, he's a fool and nothing else will even matter.
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icecat4270
Footballguy
I agree 14 or so million is the price to pay for Jeffery.
I know we have a lot of cap space. Anyone think there is any chance we could get Jeffery and Robert Woods. I like Woods a lot but only as a number two. Haven't heard what he might be going for.
It is possibly too much for receivers in free agency but if they did that and got a good defensive player it would allow them to focus on defense and QB in the draft plus a TE if one is available at a good spot.
Now that I've typed that it seems like wishful thinking that we can sign that many good free agents but this is the best time of year to be optimistic.
I know we have a lot of cap space. Anyone think there is any chance we could get Jeffery and Robert Woods. I like Woods a lot but only as a number two. Haven't heard what he might be going for.
It is possibly too much for receivers in free agency but if they did that and got a good defensive player it would allow them to focus on defense and QB in the draft plus a TE if one is available at a good spot.
Now that I've typed that it seems like wishful thinking that we can sign that many good free agents but this is the best time of year to be optimistic.
icecat4270
Footballguy
Looking at the grades on NFl.com, which I know isn't necessarily a definitive guide, I really think they need to focus on defense in this draft. Would love to see a defensive player at 3 then a QB who slips or they just like in the 2nd or 3rd. We need to improve the OL with tackles and some depth but there doesn't seem to be much available this year. Although I'm never opposed to linemen on either side I just don't want to see them reach for one when there is good defensive talent available.
If they can focus on D this year maybe next year will allow for a good Offensive Lineman or two.
If they can focus on D this year maybe next year will allow for a good Offensive Lineman or two.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Here's some perspective in a Jeffery contract.
http://bearsbarroom.com/why-the-bears-must-re-sign-alshon-jeffery/
http://bearsbarroom.com/why-the-bears-must-re-sign-alshon-jeffery/
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Alshon is looking to get around $14.5M and Stills is looking to get $12M. Even if you got them both for slightly less you'd have close to $24M tied up in two WRs. The Bears have the money to do it but that's a lot of money dedicated just to WRs. I would enjoy seeing that group though because I think Stills has something to offer.flapgreen said:
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Don't Poe and Goldman play the same position though? Are you planning on moving one or sitting one? I'd rather be starting Goldman over Poe.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I feel like I just read everything I've been saying about signing Jeffery for the last year.
flapgreen
Footballguy
For one, you could put them both on the field at the same time. Two powerful guys who have shown they can dominate. Secondly, Goldman hasn't shown he could stay healthy. Huge hole in our line when he's not out there.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I'm perfectly fine with that as depth but are either of them going to be alright with a back up roll or part time roll? I read that neither of them are good at playing other positions on the line so having them both on the field may not work well. I don't know if I believe that but I have read it more than once.
The Tick
Footballguy
poe is another nose tackle. Would be good to have on the team, but if you are looking for a lineman to have on the field at the same time as Goldman, why not go for a couple years of Campbell from Arizona, he's a great 3-4 DE.
flapgreen
Footballguy
You have to remember they don't stay in base defense all the time. It's not like one will really be backing up the other, but I don't know. Just a thought we could never have too many big boys on the dl.
flapgreen
Footballguy
They could both play down there at same time or rotate in and put multiple times on drives. It could only make the line that much more powerful, but Campbell is solid as well. He's also 30, though.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I agree that it's not a bad idea to have both. I've seen this brought up a lot on Twitter and the response was that they both wouldn't play at the same time because that's not their strength. I don't know myself, just relaying the info I've read from the so called experts.
Too many ? with him for anyone to give him big $. Suspension, hurt last 2 years I think. Too many good WRs in this draft. Bad year to be one of the top guys available. Teams that really need him are so bad they would be wasting their time: NYJ, BUF, CLE. Doesn't look like he's getting what he thought he was going to get.
Yes he is, just the wrong year to be a FA WR. You want to sign him if you are a contender, not a pretender. TENN & KC & BALT are the best bets as a contender who could use him. However, now they can get Marshall cheaper.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
Well yeah. Probably.
But I'm guessing they'll draft like that's not going to happen.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Bears expected to load up on a heavy run for Buffalo Bills cornerback, Stephon Gilmore, Buccaneers quarterback, Mike Glennon, and Ravens right tackle, Ricky Wagner according to Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Free agency list.
Secondary FA Targets:
Logan Ryan
Dre Kirkpatrick
Maurice Claiborne
John Cyprien
Amukamara
Micah Hyde
Swearinger
WR
Robert Woods
Terrell Pryor
Coradelle Patterson
LB
Hightower
TE
Fasano
DL
Brandon Williams
Dontario Poe
RT
Riley Reiff
Russell Okung
Fluker
Secondary FA Targets:
Logan Ryan
Dre Kirkpatrick
Maurice Claiborne
John Cyprien
Amukamara
Micah Hyde
Swearinger
WR
Robert Woods
Terrell Pryor
Coradelle Patterson
LB
Hightower
TE
Fasano
DL
Brandon Williams
Dontario Poe
RT
Riley Reiff
Russell Okung
Fluker
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Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
Mike Glennon would be the second best QB on the team behind Hoyer and probably one of the most boneheaded signings since giving Cutler all that money.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I would have liked to have seen Mike get a real shot at starting for Tampa, but instead, Lovie brought in McCown to be his starter and when that inevitably completely bombed he drafted Jameis. Glennon can certainly be at least a serviceable placeholder QB if Chicago would like to draft and develop one of the more raw prospects in this draft.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
