Brunell4MVP Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, The Tick said: I agree we don't need Dalton, but I don't think he's looking at as much money as you are thinking, he was only on a 3M base contract last year and didn't blow anyone away. $10m for mr dalton. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL Edited March 16, 2021 by Brunell4MVP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3nOut Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, caustic said: Ian Rapoport @RapSheet The #Bears are expected to sign FA QB Andy Dalton, source said. Their new starter. He gets a 1-year deal worth $10M. 4:00 PM · Mar 16, 2021 I'd rather stick with Trubisky another year. This being a one year deal, I'm not sure what their long term plan is (is there one?). As I said earlier, I might be OK with this (slightly) IF they make a move up to draft a QB. Edited March 16, 2021 by 3nOut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoman Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, Brunell4MVP said: $10m for mr dalton. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL Maybe they will sign AJ Green for $10m per season as well and reunite him with Dalton. I can't imagine Pace betting his future on Dalton so I expect they will draft a QB. Foles is already on the books for this year so this to me is a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHEARTFF Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 Tried to get Russ, settled for Dalton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Brunell4MVP said: $10m for mr dalton. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL Thats hyperbole. 10 millions isnt an issue. Thats what you pay a guy you expect to start. Fitzmagic got 10 million to do do what he always does. 1 year, hes a placeholder. Its unispired but its certainly better than doing long term damage with draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said: Tried to get Russ, settled for Dalton Sure, but we dont know if Watson or Wilson were REALLY available, or available with what the Bears had to offer. My point is, imagine a world where Watson and Wilson rumors didnt exist... who would you expect the Bears to end up starting this year? Its either a rookie or somebody that looks a lot like Dalton... or worse. They are in a horrible position, theres no getting around it. Were all entranced with some miracle that nets us an established franchise QB, but that just doesnt mean there was ever a realistic scenerio where that was going to happen. It is what it is, where in the same place we expected we would be as of last December- Football Hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barackdhouse Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I'm thinking that if they really tried that hard to get Wilson, moving up in the draft might not be out of the question. Dalton signing wouldn't preclude that. I do like Dalton a lot more than Foles or Trubisky though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, 3nOut said: I'd rather stick with Trubisky another year. This being a one year deal, I'm not sure what their long term plan is (is there one?). As I said earlier, I might be OK with this (slightly) IF they make a move up to draft a QB. Mitch most likely doesn;t sign for one year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 I see plenty of drafts where Mac Jones and one other QB are still there at 8 - that's like a 1 & 2 & 3 round picks 2 firsts get you to 6 (roughly) Done deal if I can get to Lance or Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex P Keaton Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 My son says about Dalton signing: ”That’s like replacing a 2010 Prius with a 2005 Camry and pretending to be excited because you have a new car.” 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Octopus Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Brunell4MVP said: $10m for mr dalton. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 This may be the worst move of the entire offseason in the entire NFL Especially when it’s not like he’s any better than Nick Foles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tick Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) You have to be kidding me!!!! This guy was out there last year and signed for NOTHING!!!! Then ended up starting and looked completely mediocre!!!! How in the hell does he get a 7M raise after last year???? We could have just signed him last year and not given up picks and 21M for Foles. HOW DOES PACE STILL HAVE A JOB??? Eta: and I really wanted them to sign Dalton last year also, so it's not like I have anything against the guy. Edited March 17, 2021 by The Tick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tick Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 5 hours ago, The Tick said: I agree we don't need Dalton, but I don't think he's looking at as much money as you are thinking, he was only on a 3M base contract last year and didn't blow anyone away. Ryan Pace begs to differ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tick Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Any details on the contract yet? Is it at least a lower base with lots of chances for more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigskin Fanatic Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Tick said: Any details on the contract yet? Is it at least a lower base with lots of chances for more? Quote The Chicago Bears and quarterback Andy Dalton have agreed to a one-year, $10 million deal, with the chance for the quarterback to earn another $3 million in incentives, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tick Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 40 minutes ago, Pigskin Fanatic said: So we are giving him more base salary then Newton or Winston. At least those contracts had smaller base with large escalators. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tick Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 So I guess our plan for RT is Ifedi, signed him to a 1 year 5M contract. So either him or a draft pick. Can't try him on the interior again after how well they were playing inside at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, The Tick said: So we are giving him more base salary then Newton or Winston. At least those contracts had smaller base with large escalators. Both took haircuts to play for great franchises. Nobody is going to bet on themself with this offense around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barackdhouse Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Alex P Keaton said: My son says about Dalton signing: ”That’s like replacing a 2010 Prius with a 2005 Camry and pretending to be excited because you have a new car.” That's pretty funny but a 2010 Prius can probably find the endzone better than Trubisky or Foles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoman Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Will he do better than Glennon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barackdhouse Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I think it's more like trying to trade in a 78 Buick for a Ferrari (Wilson) and getting trolled by the dealership while they "run the numbers". After waiting in the lobby for an ungodly amount of time, "Sorry but we're not giving you a Ferrari, but we were happy to take your calls and hear what you had to say while we laughed privately. Now please leave before we call security." Then, you run with hat in hand to another dealer, but he only has a washed up 94 Aerostar with factory recalls pending and sells it to you for waaaaay over sticker price and then makes you take your trade in back home with you, too, because they ain't taking that ####. So, you have a new car now. A beat up minivan that may or may not get you to point B (which isn't the playoffs it is just week 17). Ugh stupid Bears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barackdhouse Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 I mean I would take a 2005 Camry all day long. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Bears have reportedly been very active in pursuing WIlson and Watson - and maybe they were realistically out of reach with offering the 1.20 for starters - plus there was word about them reaching out to Pitt for Roethlisberger. Thhis regime is in save jobs mode and Dalton is not going to do that - he is going to bridge us to the next guy who we will take on draft night by trading up. Lance or Jones is coming aboard on draft night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 56 minutes ago, The Dude said: Thhis regime is in save jobs mode and Dalton is not going to do that - he is going to bridge us to the next guy who we will take on draft night by trading up. Lance or Jones is coming aboard on draft night. I think this is probably true, but Paces history of overpaying for draft moves and trouble evaluating QBs is scary. QBs are being mocked extraordinarily high this draft compared to history, thats troubling. We arent talking about Pace trading massive assets to get the consensus QB1, generational talent. Were talking about him trading massive resources to move up and get the third or fourth or fifth QB that a couple years ago would be a second or third round prospect. This all lines up playing into Paces weaknesses, and the whole NFL is well aware of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3nOut Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Wow. The Bears offered THREE first rounders, a THIRD, and TWO starters for Wilson. Crazy. If they were going to offer that much they should have made that offer to Houston for Watson who is younger. Pace is showing how desperate he is and now the league knows it (if they haven't already). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, 3nOut said: Wow. The Bears offered THREE first rounders, a THIRD, and TWO starters for Wilson. Crazy. If they were going to offer that much they should have made that offer to Houston for Watson who is younger. Pace is showing how desperate he is and now the league knows it (if they haven't already). They probably did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 We are getting a QB in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 The big problem all along for Chicago was everyone knowing that adding Wilson would turn all their offered picks into late round selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InDitkaWeTrust Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, The Dude said: We are getting a QB in the draft. Doubtful. We don't have the draft capital to move up far enough to get one of the top guys. And no, Mac Jones isn't a top guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTurbo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 15 hours ago, barackdhouse said: I mean I would take a 2005 Camry all day long. early 2000s Toyotas are money. Dalton is no Toyota Camry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barackdhouse Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, TwinTurbo said: early 2000s Toyotas are money. Dalton is no Toyota Camry. Exactly my point. I referred to him above as a 97 Aerostar. And a 2010 Prius is like Mahomes compared to Foles or Trubisky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinTurbo Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, barackdhouse said: Exactly my point. I referred to him above as a 97 Aerostar. And a 2010 Prius is like Mahomes compared to Foles or Trubisky. I'm going with a 2000 Chevy Aztek. It was marketed as useful, unique, competent, hey Walter White drove one. But it literally destroyed the Pontiac brand and was a vehicle that somehow got almost everything wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 2 hours ago, InDitkaWeTrust said: Doubtful. We don't have the draft capital to move up far enough to get one of the top guys. And no, Mac Jones isn't a top guy. Actually if you look at the trade value of draft picks two firsts and another get you to 1.06 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 10 hours ago, InDitkaWeTrust said: Doubtful. We don't have the draft capital to move up far enough to get one of the top guys. And no, Mac Jones isn't a top guy. Mac Jones will go top 15, maybe top 10. QBs are insanely valued this year. Smart move is to let a tackle or edge rusher fall to the Bears. But Pace, being Pace, will probably trade future picks to move up for a guy that would be a reach at 20 any other year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InDitkaWeTrust Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 hours ago, mbuehner said: Mac Jones will go top 15, maybe top 10. QBs are insanely valued this year. Smart move is to let a tackle or edge rusher fall to the Bears. But Pace, being Pace, will probably trade future picks to move up for a guy that would be a reach at 20 any other year. Exactly. Getting a Tackle in round 1 and taking a flyer on Trask in round 2 is how I'd like to see this draft go. The talent level at Tackle this year is insane and the Bears desperately need to solidify the rest of the line. But Pace being Pace will trade up from 20 to just inside the top 10 to pick yet another risky QB pick in Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) On 3/16/2021 at 5:08 PM, The Dude said: Exactly. He could easily pull a BOB from Houston. but I have think a qb is still in play in round one of the draft. They should be able to get the 4th one for 2 firsts and a 3rd. And it might be a genius move. If Pace trades 2 firsts and a third or anything like that to move up and get the 4th QB in this draft he should be run out of town on a rail. There is what economist would call an irrational bubble on QB value right now. In the last 10 years there are an average of 3 QBs taken in the first round. This year there may be 3 taken in the first 3 picks and almost certainly 5 in the first 15. There might be 6 or 7 QBs in the first round this year and thats crazy. Is this a banner, unprecedented year for QB talent? I dont think so, although it does seems to be a strong year. Whatever the case, there is NO REASON to give away an extra 1st round pick (plus!) to get the 4th or 5th QB off the board by moving up a handful of spots. Even though that is SO on brand for Ryan Pace. Historically, thats a 2nd round talent, maybe end of the 1st. And although there have been some real exciting QBs developing lately, the list of 1st round picks in the last decade is pretty sobering: Paxton Lynch, Josh Rosen, Johnny Manziel, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, EJ Manuel, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden, Blake Bortles, RG3, Sam Darnold, Mitchell Trubisky, Marcus Mariota, Sam Bradford, Carson Wentz, Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Ryan Tannehill, Teddy Bridgewater, Jared Goff, Andrew Luck, Josh Allen, Cam Newton, Lamar Jackson, Watson, Mahomes, Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love. That to me looks like a coin flip at best, especially when those are generally the top 3 Qbs in their drafts (on average) certainly not the 5th or 6th. I know Bears fans are desperate for any glimmer of hope at the position, but putting yourself even farther behind by mortgaging the future on a guy just because he's on your draft board and everybody else is gobbling up over hyped QBs... that how you become the Chicago Bears. Lets stop doing that. Edited March 18, 2021 by mbuehner 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) I’m not arguing it’s the right idea. My statement is that it’s the best idea for Pace to keep his job. he’s got to come out of this draft with a qb of the future but I would favor a slight trade down to add picks and trade up to get Trask in 2nd. Edited March 18, 2021 by The Dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I guess I did say I would trade two 1s to move up for a qb and I would do that if I felt there was a talent to get 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbuehner Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Wowwww Fuller got cut for cap space. That is unforgivable. Wtf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig_MiamiFL Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Release top corner to make cap space for Andrew Dalton 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rschroeder1 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I can't wrap my mind around the Fuller cut. While the possibility coming into the new league year made sense, the timing does not. Why would he be cut today? - If the goal is to clear up cap space, who is/are the FA targets? Several of the seemingly top OL free agents are already off the board before this move. - If more cuts come (Hicks), is there a possibility Pace and Nagy have convinced the McCaskeys to tank for a year? I honestly can't see it. - I realize the Wilson/Watson rumors are more clickbait than anything else, but part of me wonders if this Pace rearranging the face of the franchise with a future attempt at a Wilson trade in mind, whether it's cap space for Wilson himself post-June 1 (incredibly far-fetched, but I would believe Pace could believe anything) or finally offering a long-term deal to ARob to entice a Wilson-caliber QB. I'm not saying any of these moves would be rational, per se. But since we're talking about Ryan Pace, it seems in the realm of possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapgreen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 1/1/2017 at 2:59 PM, flapgreen said: Let's hope and pray ownershiphas a change of heart between now and tomorrow and gets rid of Fox. Worst season in Bears history finishing with 2 straight blowouts. Went 1 season too long with Fox and everyone knew it. Same with Pace and Nagy. Now, they're intentionally sabotaging the franchise. Way to go, George! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapgreen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, rschroeder1 said: I can't wrap my mind around the Fuller cut. While the possibility coming into the new league year made sense, the timing does not. Why would he be cut today? - If the goal is to clear up cap space, who is/are the FA targets? Several of the seemingly top OL free agents are already off the board before this move. - If more cuts come (Hicks), is there a possibility Pace and Nagy have convinced the McCaskeys to tank for a year? I honestly can't see it. - I realize the Wilson/Watson rumors are more clickbait than anything else, but part of me wonders if this Pace rearranging the face of the franchise with a future attempt at a Wilson trade in mind, whether it's cap space for Wilson himself post-June 1 (incredibly far-fetched, but I would believe Pace could believe anything) or finally offering a long-term deal to ARob to entice a Wilson-caliber QB. I'm not saying any of these moves would be rational, per se. But since we're talking about Ryan Pace, it seems in the realm of possibility. You're thinking about this too deeply. The answer is much simpler than that, so there's no reason to try and twist yourself into a pretzel to understand it. Pace is an idiot and has no clue what he's doing. Yw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapgreen Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 11 hours ago, InDitkaWeTrust said: Exactly. Getting a Tackle in round 1 and taking a flyer on Trask in round 2 is how I'd like to see this draft go. The talent level at Tackle this year is insane and the Bears desperately need to solidify the rest of the line. But Pace being Pace will trade up from 20 to just inside the top 10 to pick yet another risky QB pick in Jones. At this point, there's no reason to draft anyone available at qb except maybe Mills on day two. Top 4 or 5 will be gone before the Bears get a shot. Team has absolutely no clue what it's doing and reminds me of the Emery days. Clueless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert_Power Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 3/16/2021 at 6:08 PM, The Dude said: Exactly. He could easily pull a BOB from Houston. This is my thought too looking at this team's offseason moves. Nagy unlikely to make the full year with the way this is shaping up. I am slightly more positive on the Bears offsenive weapons that most though. I doubt Dalton is going to be a winner in Chicago, but he could still put up some FF points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menobrown Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Craig_MiamiFL said: Release top corner to make cap space for Andrew Dalton 🤣 And did not cut Jimmy Graham when doing so would have shed $7M. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voiceofunreason Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 This thread is like the guy who eats at McDonalds just so they can complain about how bad the food is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Lot of mocks have the Eagles going qb.....maybe hurts becomes available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capella Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 lol at the thread title. Sorry guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desert_Power Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, menobrown said: And did not cut Jimmy Graham when doing so would have shed $7M. Ok, this is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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