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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Poles is playing 5D chess! (10 Viewers)
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Please quit saying this. He's no more a franchise QB than Watson or Mahomes at this point.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
They need to turn on XRT or the Loop or WLS light a number and forget about it. They are looking at the ashes of the Cutler era and failed drafts
William Munny
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Well if the defense stays healthy and continues to improve they might start to see some light in 2018. They need offensive playmakers
ericttspikes
Footballguy
True, but it seems like it would be a better idea to get some stability and proven talent at the coaching level to even have a shot at developing a rookie QB, especially a guy with only 13 college starts. It just makes it that much tougher to make this work IMO.
Pipes
Footballguy
You put up a good fight and very well could be serving up a lot of crow for us doubters in the few years.
twistd
Footballguy
Explain to me why the defense will be better. They did nothing so far to upgrade the defense. The secondary is still abysmal. I see no reason why the defense will be better. Floyd should be better if he can stay healthy. They may add a defensive player further in the draft, but I see no reason for optimism, other than Fangio is still the coordinator.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
If the defense stays healthy then it's already an improvement. They added some DBs in FA and most likely will be adding more this weekend. No reason to think they should be worse.
flapgreen
Footballguy
twistd
Footballguy
What did Pace do last year that proved he knows his stuff? They are still waiting on Floyd. He did draft Whitehair, Amos, and Howard. Those were good picks. But the 2015 draft looks like a disaster. White has yet to show much of anything and is looking like a bust. The next best player from that draft is Langford, who is a mediocre back up. He's made some good free agent signings, Freeman and Trevathan, and some terrible ones, Eddie Royal.
I would say that Pace's track record is certainly not strong enough to say he knows his stuff. Maybe he is growing in to the job. But his entire future now hinges on Trubisky. If Trubisky fails Pace is gone, regardless of what the other picks do.
flapgreen
Footballguy
It doesn't matter. No one cares if I'm right or not. I don't even know if Trubisky will be any good. I'm just happy to see them being aggressive and going after their guy. After being unhappy with the Floyd pick and how thy moved up to get him, I'll reserve judgement until after it plays out. I was dead wrong on Floyd.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Last year's draft showed me he knows his stuff. Find multiple teams last year that had better drafts than the Bears.
bueno
In a class by himself
No, that would have been Ryan Leaf, but still moving up made no sense. Even if someone did leap over the Bears to take MT (and there is no guarantee that MT would have been the target if the happened), they could have still had Watson.BusterTBronco said:
Stupidest move I've seen in quite some time. Worse than Oakland drafting Heyward-Bey in the first round. Worse than the Rams setting back their team two years by giving away the farm for Goff.
William Munny
Footballguy
Floyd and Goldman progress. Trevathan healthy. Prince, Cooper and Demps add some veteran help to the secondary.
icecat4270
Footballguy
At first I was thinking they gave up too much but if you believe the draft value chart and consider next years third equivalent to this years fourth which I think is how they look at it the Bears came out ahead. Even if you treat next years three like this years it is fairly close.
My main problem was I preferred Watson to Trubisky. After lots of beers and some sleep I've moved beyond not liking it to hoping they are right that Trubisky will be better than Watson.
If we can get something good with the 2nd, and there is still lots of good talent, and any depth with later picks it could still be a really good draft.
My main problem was I preferred Watson to Trubisky. After lots of beers and some sleep I've moved beyond not liking it to hoping they are right that Trubisky will be better than Watson.
If we can get something good with the 2nd, and there is still lots of good talent, and any depth with later picks it could still be a really good draft.
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
You kidding me?! 2 new starting CBs and FS. How can that not be considered upgrading? Will probably add a couple more starters this draft.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well does he want to be offered another $18MM a year contract to start in the NFL or not?
twistd
Footballguy
They aren't going to add a couple more starters in this draft because they traded away all their picks. If they use the second rounder on a defensive player that may help, but they still have a lot of needs and no picks to address them. A lot of directions they could go but after the second I think all they have left is a fifth and seventh. That is it.
twistd
Footballguy
Congrats guys on the QB. Maybe gave up a bit much, but I like Trubisky and I hope he works out. UNC guy, so my boys like him.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Hmm they got played by the 49'ers who passed on a franchise QB and will move into the season with Hoyer and Barkley? This was the position the Bears were in last year which returned rotten fruit. Granted, Hoyer looked decent until the wheels fell off and then they crinkled like a lily in the scorching sun. Shanahan is singing the praises of Mitch Trob because they were probably looking at him. Maybe they got played into walking into next year and beyond with Hoyer and Barkley? The Bears take a shot at a franchise QB and rid themselves of the QB mess they were in and had to move on. Essentially, the greatness of the 49ers came along when they had two franchise QBs
pantherclub
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Just some fun speculation - would be great to hear these guys negotiating and strategizing.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Oof!
Rappaport : For what it’s worth, the #49ers did have a real and legitimate offer for someone to come to No. 2 yesterday. #Bears offer was best value.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
The picks make sense according to the value chart but that's not the argument. The value chart doesn't figure in the amount of picks you have and the number of positions you need to draft. Going from 7, which wasn't enough, down to 5 picks is not helpful. Not only does Trubisky need to do well because he was the second overall player he has to do even better yet because of the added cost of those picks. His play ill have to be good enough to make up for the lack of talent on the rest of the team right now.
William Munny
Footballguy
I don't buy that. Anybody else coming up to 2 would've had to give better picks than what we gave.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
Lol, yeah because other teams are going to come out and say they tried to trade up but the Bears beat their offer.
Pace said they received numerous calls from teams looking to trade up to their spot, so its logical to assume the 49ers were getting similar calls.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
well the "Value" takes into consideration that the Niners were getting back the third overall pick.
William Munny
Footballguy
As badly as the Niners wanted to trade, I bet they would've taken the best return, even if it meant moving a little further down. I don't think they had anybody else bidding.
I see what you mean. But no one had a single better pick than the Bears. What it does show is that even if we're talking about 4, 5 or 6, they weren't willing to part with anything better than what the Bears gave up.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
The best return includes them getting the guy they wanted (Thomas) while also picking up additional picks. Where's the value in trading down further if you miss the guy you really liked?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
The 49ers made out like bandits in the first round. This of course is just on paper though. We won't know for sure until real football starts.
It wasn't long ago that Trent Richardson was giving a high grade while Luke Kuechly was given a terrible grade for where they were drafted.
It wasn't long ago that Trent Richardson was giving a high grade while Luke Kuechly was given a terrible grade for where they were drafted.
How do we know Thomas was "their guy"? Maybe he was "their guy" at 3. But if the pot as right, "their guy" at 4 or 5 might have been Adams.
The_Wolfman
Footballguy
We know because they drafted him. If they preferred Adams they would have taken him instead.
