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think he's better than cook. Would rather cook though.... but I just don't think cook slips all the way to our pick in the 2nd. that seems pretty unlikelyYou like mixon that much? Would be happy with him or cook
think he's better than cook. Would rather cook though.... but I just don't think cook slips all the way to our pick in the 2nd. that seems pretty unlikelyYou like mixon that much? Would be happy with him or cook
This is a really good read from a couple months ago.
I'm going to ask that you focus solely on the bolded and nothing above it lol. Man what a crazy draft.The day is finally here! I'm really excited to see the direction we go with #14 and I'm sticking with my initial thoughts. This entire set-up is designed around Wentz and his development, even going as far as having Wentz study which WR's he likes. Even though Torrey Smith's contract says he's not a long term solution he did fill the need of cheap speed and that's something we need. Jordan Matthews is not in the long term plans of this team as well IMO. #14 will be a WR or a RB...I'm 100% convinced. I fully expect one of the 6 (Ross, Davis, Williams, Fournette, Cook or McCaffrey) to be our pick. I know I've said that we need an "impact player" in addition to BPA and I think any of those WR's would have an impact this season. Jimmy Kempski did a great piece on Smith and I think whichever WR we draft will start opposite Jeffery. As far as the RB's go, there's one thing we all can agree with--We need one. And we need one who has to handle significant snaps early on. I'm not ruling out a trade up for Fournette if he slides to 9-10 range. I also think they would take Cook before McCaffery. They have met with him around 4x...he's showing them something and it has to be something they like. The kid's tape is amazing and he could very well be a 3-down RB for us from day one.
In round 2 I see Adorree Jackson, Marlon Humphrey or even Conely if he slips that far.
Round 3 I see either RB or WR whichever we missed in round 1
Why no DE? Vinny Curry isn't at the stage where we can give up on him. We also signed Long and still have Smith and Means who both showed potential under Swartz. They also "redshirted" McAlister as well. I think this may be a position they wait on.
When the first 3 rounds are done I see us with a WR, RB and CB with 2 fourth round picks coming up.
Just some random feelings, cause whatever:
I can see 4 QB's picked in the first round
There will be at least 3 guys go in the top 10 that weren't expected to. I have a feeling one will be Ross as the first WR taken.
The "reaching" for OL will start right before us out of need.
I have advocated Mixon as a round 2 guy--Feeling like he may go round 5'ish now
Has this been the most unpredictable draft ever? Feels like it to me.
It's well-established that Texas A&M's Myles Garrett is viewed as the top pass rusher in the draft, but Tennessee's Derek Barnett definitely deserves consideration for the honor after terrorizing the SEC as a destructive force off the edge for three seasons. In fact, you could make the argument that Barnett should own the No. 1 spot at the position after wreaking havoc on SEC foes as the Vols' designated pass rusher.
Now, I know that statement will take a few observers by surprise after hearing about Garrett's talents for most of the year. The Texas A&M standout has been anointed by most observers as the best player in the draft and few analysts have cited any other prospects as legitimate contenders to his throne. Yet, scouts paying close attention to SEC football and Barnett's spectacular production should give the Tennessee star a serious look at the top of the draft. The 6-foot-3, 265-pound defensive end broke Reggie White's sack record and finished with the second-most tackles for loss (52; one behind Leonard Little's mark) in Vols history. In addition, Barnett is the only player in SEC history to finish with at least 10 sacks in three straight seasons.
Let that marinate for a minute.
In a league that is viewed as the hotbed of NFL talent, Barnett shattered the school marks of a couple of All-Pro players and established a new standard for dominance as a pass rusher. While I'm not one to make evaluations strictly off numbers, I'm a firm believer that sack production translates to NFL performance, and Barnett should be a great pro based on his impressive resume at Tennessee.
When I study the tape, I see a relentless pass rusher with an outstanding combination of skill and technique. Barnett is one of the best hand-to-hand combat fighters that I've watched in years, and his ability to win with a variety of slick maneuvers makes him nearly impossible to slow down off the edge. In addition to his superior hand skills, Barnett has the rare ability to win with finesse or power off the edge.
He displays enough quickness, balance and body control to blow past blockers with dip-and-rip maneuvers or he can use a variety of power moves, including the butt-and-jerk or bull rush to get home off the edge. With Barnett also displaying a non-stop motor to complement his technically sound game, he's like an old-school construction worker with a hard hat, lunch pail and a shiny toolbox. He has all of the rugged traits that you covet in a player while also displaying the skills to dominate at the next level.
"He's not going to run a fast 40, but if you like tough, violent, high-motor players with production, you'll love him," said an AFC executive. "He kind of reminds me of a young Terrell Suggs coming out of Arizona State."
The praise didn't end there when I spoke to evaluators about Barnett.
"I love the kid," said an AFC college scouting director. " ... He is a great football player with a nasty temperament. I don't understand why some scouts aren't high on him, but he can play for me any day."
Considering how many coaches and scouts say they value hard-nosed football players with sustained production, I'm a little surprised that Barnett hasn't been touted much heading into the NFL Scouting Combine (March 3-6 on NFL Network). He is the kind of player who dominates in the NFL regardless of circumstances, and teams would be wise to pay attention to his skills.
Remember, Joey Bosa displayed similar traits and we questioned whether he could sustain his play as a pro. Yet, he claimed the Defensive Rookie of the Year award with a blue-collar game built on grit, hustle, and technique. With Barnett showing nearly identical skills, I believe the football world should pay closer attention to the best football player that no one is talking about. -- Bucky Brooks
I didn't see this reported but BGN reported earlier that Adam Caplan said the Eagles weren't drafting either Mixon or Foster.mixon mixon mixon
I would have felt better about calling this if Allen was off the board.I have a feeling Barnett is going to be our pick.
That was awesome dude had so much security surrounding him you'd have thought the President was coming in. Got to shake his hand which was pretty cool.
Derek Barnett didn't play quarterback in high school. He didn't have to transfer from offense to defense early in his collegiate career. He didn't play several positions in different schemes during his three years at Tennessee. And he didn't have just one productive season - he had three.
In other words, Barnett is not Marcus Smith.
Does that mean the 6-foot-3, 265-pound defensive end will become an impact player in the NFL or that he won't become a first round bust? No. But there will certainly be less wishing and hoping once the Eagles get their top draft on the field.
As there should be. Barnett went 14th overall, 12 spots earlier than Smith did three years ago, and he seemed almost gifted to the Eagles as one offensive player after the other kept getting drafted Thursday night. Eight of the 13 first selections were quarterbacks (3), wide receivers (3), and running backs (2).
By the time the Eagles were on the clock, there were as many as four defensive players whom many analysts ranked among the top 10 overall prospects in the draft on the board. Defensive lineman Jonathan Allen, safety Malik Hooker, linebacker Rueben Foster, and Barnett had seemingly slipped to the Eagles.
But Allen and Hooker had medical concerns and Foster had character questions, and the Eagles took the safest best of the four, the type of hard-nosed talent that new vice president of player personnel Joe Douglas said that he typically looks for when he's scouting.
"He is a guy that is tough as nails," Douglas said. "When I think of some of the teams I used to watch growing up here in Philadelphia, he's going to fit in with some of those guys from the late '80s, early '90s Eagles teams. He's Philly tough."
That's high praise, but it's not exactly out of left field to compare Barnett to the Reggie Whites, Clyde Simmons or Seth Joyners who played on those Buddy Ryan-Bud Carson defenses. This past year he broke White's Volunteers record for sacks and finished with a total of 33 during his career.
Douglas wasn't about to compare Barnett to White, nor should he. That would be too daunting for the rookie. But there's another Hall of Fame-caliber edge rusher that Douglas wasn't afraid to place in the company of Barnett.
A young scout, Douglas was with the Ravens when they selected Terrell Suggs in the first round of the 2003 draft. And like Barnett, the 6-3, 260-pound Suggs didn't test well during pre-draft workouts. Fourteen seasons and a 1141/2 sacks later, Suggs is still in Baltimore.
"Both guys didn't test outrageously at the combine setting, at the pro day setting, but both are highly-productive players," Douglas said. "High toughness. Great people. Again, his production is unmatched."
Howie Roseman noted that Barnett had the flu at the combine in February and performed at his pro day despite a hamstring strain. But, again, the Eagles weren't as concerned with his testing because what they had seen on film impressed them so much.
As a freshman, Barnett recorded 73 tackles, 201/2 tackles for loss and nine sacks. As a sophomore, he notched 69 tackles, 121/2 tackles for loss and 10 sacks. Last year, he totaled 56 tackles, 19 tackles for loss and 14 sacks. And 28 of his 33 sacks came againt SEC competition.
"At the end of the day, the tape takes a good player," Douglas said. "That's the biggest part of his resume. He's done it at the highest level for a long time."
The Eagles have been burned on prospects that were high achievers in college before. But over the last seven years, since Roseman became general manager, they have had less luck with projections (see: Smith, Danny Watkins, Curtis Marsh.)
Douglas said that Barnett still has a high ceiling, but when he talks about players he often talks about what they have done rather than what they can do. Roseman brought Douglas in so that he would be exposed to a different language and a different method to ranking players.
"I don't know if it's necessarily a departure, but it's more stressed," Roseman said. "There's things that you're attracted to naturally and I think we balance each other on that stuff. I understand the reason why it's so important to have those guys on this football team."
Does that mean that Barnett is a Douglas guy and not Roseman guy? It's too early to say that for certain and when you're picking as high as No. 14, you're going to end up having a lot in common. But there are certain Roseman traits in Barnett - he mentioned his "high motor" - and picking a lineman in the first round isn't out of character for the vice president of football operations.
"Joe and I had a moment in December when he came into my office and started raving about Derek Barnett and I showed him a piece of paper I had written down with his name," Roseman said. "It was kind of a funny moment we had there."
There was a lot of smiling and joking as Roseman and Douglas took to the podium following the announcement. There's time to figure out how Barnett will fit in with defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz's scheme and the edge rushing personnel already on the roster (Brandon Graham, Vinny Curry, Chris Long and, ahem, Smith).
And time, really, to find out if he's legit.
But Roseman didn't have to do much explaining about the machinations of taking Barnett at No. 14. The Eagles have a pressure defense and the Tennessee rusher consistently applied pressure in college.
"We've got to able to get pressure on the quarterback," Roseman said. "This is a 20-year-old pass rusher and someone who could be here for a long time."
• Dalvin Cook, RB, Florida State: Way back in February, we explained why Cook will not be an option for the Eagles in the first round, as he comes with a wide assortment of red flags (character, fumbles, shoulder injuries, etc.). However, in the second round, he would be a steal.
• Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma: We've covered Mixon at length, and the belief here is that there is no better fit at running back in this draft than him. However, obviously, the video of Mixon punching a female is horrific, and any team drafting him will have to be comfortable with the idea that Mixon wants to be a better person. They'll also have to be ready for the public relations fallout.
• Alvin Kamara, RB, Tennessee: Over his career at Tennessee, Kamara was a complementary back with receiving ability (74-683-7 the last two seasons) out of the backfield, and also the team's main punt returner. Though small, he is a hard runner with good speed (although not elite breakaway speed), with good hands, and tackle-breaking ability. Oddly, Tennessee didn't use Kamara as much as they should have, as he only had 210 carries over the last two seasons.
• Zach Cunningham, LB, Vanderbilt: Cunningham is a highly athletic LB who arrived at Vanderbilt looking more like a wide receiver. He put on weight, and has become the clear-cut best player on the team. In 2015, Cunningham filled up the stat sheet, leading the Commodores with 103 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, and 4 forced fumbles. In 2016, he had 125 tackles, 16.5 tackles for loss, and 2 forced fumbles. Cunningham is very good in coverage, and possesses the ability to run sideline to sideline and make plays.
• Kevin King, CB, Washington: King has "Seahawks corner" measurements, at 6'3, 200. His college career path followed a similar pattern to that of former Eagles second-round pick Eric Rowe, in that King moved from safety to corner while at Washington. He has also played quite a bit in the slot. In 2016, King had 44 tackles, two interceptions, and an impressive 13 pass breakups. While Jim Schwartz was not a big Rowe fan, it was not because of his measurements.
• Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida: Wilson is a big corner at 6'1, 211, and is highly competitive, a trait that Jim Schwartz will love. Wilson is great in press at the line of scrimmage, and does a surprisingly effective job sticking with shiftier receivers.
• Cordrea Tankersley, CB, Clemson: The 2015 season was Tankersley's first as a starter at corner, and he was smart to stay at Clemson for his senior season to build on his impressive starting debut. In 2015, Tankersley led the Tigers with five interceptions and nine pass breakups. In 2016, he had four interceptions and 11 pass breakups. At 6'1, 199, Tankersley has good size and production.
• Chidobe Awuzie, CB, Colorado: Awuzie has good size and is a physical tackler who also contributed on special teams for the Buffaloes. He has an abnormal number of tackles from his corner spot over the last four seasons.
• Obi Melifonwu, S, UConn: Melifonwu is a size-athleticism freak of nature, much like former UConn CB/S safety Byron Jones was in 2015, when the Eagles passed on him to draft Nelson Agholor. In 2016, Melifonwu had 118 tackles, 4 INT, and 3 pass breakups.
• Budda Baker, S, Washington: Extremely competitive player, but small, at 5'10, 195. Baker could double as a slot corner in addition to playing centerfield.
need2know said:Eagles selected Tennessee DE Derek Barnett with the No. 14 overall pick in the 2017 NFL draft.
Barnett helps round out an already-solid Eagles line. Barnett (6’3/259) made 36 starts in three seasons as a Vol, tallying 52 tackles for loss and breaking Reggie White’s school record for sacks (33). He earned first-team All-America honors in 2016. As Barnett won’t turn 21 until June, his incredible production came at ages 18-20 in the SEC. PFF College gave Barnett a higher pass-rush rating than Myles Garrett last season. While Barnett lacks a dynamic get-off, his insatiable and relentless motor, edge bend, ability to hand fight and win with power, and bone-crunching takedown skills give Barnett a high floor as a three-down defender. NFL Films’ Greg Cosell has compared Barnett to Vikings DE Everson Griffen. Apr 27 - 9:52 PM
Better than hearing he has no motor. Everything I see on him says he's a nice pick there. I didn't know about allens shoulders. That makes this pick much easier to get on board withHogh motor guy. Exactly what I hate hearing. FML. Hope I'm wrong...
I liked reading about how he enjoys studying the olineman he faces. That letter was a good look into what drives him. I can see why the eagles had him highI also like what Hollis Thomas said today about him. He said that when Brandon Graham came out, he had to learn techniques and foot work at and NFL level. He was a freak athlete but not very technically sound. That's why it took him 5 years to get good. Hollis said that Barnett already has that part down. He has 3 solid moves he can do from day 1 on tackles and he knows exactly how to leverage.
I'm always skeptical when we go DE cause we suck at taking them. But it finally looks like we got a potential highlight reel stud.
I might've read it up top but his floor sounds like Brandon Graham now and Ceiling is Suggs. I'll take it.20 year-old pass rusher that has multiple moves to get to the QB, is a solid run defender and one of the few top-rated picks without character or injury red flags. Based on how the first 13 picks went, I think it was a good pick.
huh? by missing the playoffs and not having a first-round pick?Gopher State said:Prior to the draft they where showing pictures of eagle fans holding signs making fun of the Vikings for trading their number one number pick for Bradford, after seeing the Eagles pick it looks like the Vikings got the last laught.
Yeah they really showed ushuh? by missing the playoffs and not having a first-round pick?
We could really learn our lesson if they let us do it again next year.Yeah they really showed us
Bold part cannot be overstated.20 year-old pass rusher that has multiple moves to get to the QB, is a solid run defender and one of the few top-rated picks without character or injury red flags. Based on how the first 13 picks went, I think it was a good pick.
Nick foles has to be worth somethingWe could really learn our lesson if they let us do it again next year.
Rumors are that the Saints are shopping Ingram. Anyone interested? He'd be a stopgap for sure, but I'd be OK with throwing a 5th the Saints' way to make that happen, because #### Mixon.It's gotta be RB and cb with next 2 picks. Not sure what order though. If mixon or cook are there in round 2 I think you have to take that
I wouldRumors are that the Saints are shopping Ingram. Anyone interested? He'd be a stopgap for sure, but I'd be OK with throwing a 5th the Saints' way to make that happen, because #### Mixon.
I'm not sure that Ingram fits us that well. Don't we need guys who are more adept at receiving and better in space, rather than straight-ahead runners? I guess he could be something, but I think I'd rather get some younger backs.Rumors are that the Saints are shopping Ingram. Anyone interested? He'd be a stopgap for sure, but I'd be OK with throwing a 5th the Saints' way to make that happen, because #### Mixon.
Isn't that the role we want Smallwood playing though? Unless they're just kicking him to the curb, I don't see an issue with using a straight-ahead guy like Ingram as a 2-down back and using Smallwood primarily on passing downs. And it's not like Ingram's a total zero in the pass game either .. he caught 46 balls last season.I'm not sure that Ingram fits us that well. Don't we need guys who are more adept at receiving and better in space, rather than straight-ahead runners? I guess he could be something, but I think I'd rather get some younger backs.
dunno for sure, but looking at the teams, Jags, Rams, Chargers, and Panthers should be set.I'm hoping either Cooks or Mixon is there for us in the second. Anyone hear rumors of teams drafting ahead of us that are looking for a running back?
He's like 28. And catches the ball wellI'm not sure that Ingram fits us that well. Don't we need guys who are more adept at receiving and better in space, rather than straight-ahead runners? I guess he could be something, but I think I'd rather get some younger backs.
Love it.USA Today and Bleacherreport mocks as of today have us with Cook and Mixon, respectively, for whatever it is worth.