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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (9 Viewers)

SaintsInDome2006 said:

My stars I wonder if this was a pr stunt all along.
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It's not a "PR stunt" in the traditional sense. It's Trump's method of monopolizing the news cycle, creating more chaos, and energizing his supporters.

It's not about the follow-through; it's about the announcement.

How many times has Trump said "We're going to X", followed by his supporters cheering and celebrating? They don't care if "X" actually happens; they just want to be reassured that Trump has the same feelings that they do.

 
Joe Summer said:
It's not a "PR stunt" in the traditional sense. It's Trump's method of monopolizing the news cycle, creating more chaos, and energizing his supporters.

It's not about the follow-through; it's about the announcement.

How many times has Trump said "We're going to X", followed by his supporters cheering and celebrating? They don't care if "X" actually happens; they just want to be reassured that Trump has the same feelings that they do.
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"I'm going to bang this porn star behind my wife's back"  "HIP HIP... HOORAY!!!"

 
Bucky86 said:
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smart man....it's not worth the fees that you won't get paid.

just another real world example that "the best" actually won't work for Trump.

 
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proninja said:
I gave up booze for lent and now I'm looking forward to getting drunk on Easter but kinda thinking that's not how it's supposed to work. 
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I can guarantee you I won't be facebook binging.  I was actually pretty interested in Ham's article about deleting my account.  I don't often look at pictures.  When I do it's mainly to see if a chick I knew way back when is hot or not.  And to be honest, most aren't lol.  

 
Joe Summer said:
It's not a "PR stunt" in the traditional sense. It's Trump's method of monopolizing the news cycle, creating more chaos, and energizing his supporters.

It's not about the follow-through; it's about the announcement.

How many times has Trump said "We're going to X", followed by his supporters cheering and celebrating? They don't care if "X" actually happens; they just want to be reassured that Trump has the same feelings that they do.
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He might really be trying to fish a serious lawyer into his boat though. He seems to think he is lacking "star" power.

 
Henry Ford said:
Louise Mensch:
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Mensch was definitely on this. And what I recall was that her theory was, and she did some public corporate database searches, indicates that part of CA's parent's ownership structure was connected to Russia or actually Russian. And there was a MSM news report on the parent company that was very similar to this, though TBH I cannot recall if it was about Russian clients or actual part Russian ownership, so I am not sure if that part specifically has been confirmed.

 
Not that any crimes should go unpunished... but how is anyone surprised that your personal information, at FB no less, gets compromised? And further... how is anyone duped by targeted advertising, particularly in the political arena?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- I think it was Bucky or Sammy who was pounding the table on Cambridge Analytica early in the thread.. Anyway that has come to fruition.
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Maybe?  

I mean at a minimum, it's been pretty evident that they were up to their eyeballs in this story with Bannon's and Mercer's involvement to say nothing about what they actually did/didn't do.  

I keep saying this, but Facebook and Google (and most of the MIT computer whizzes) are all more or less uber-libertarians (like Thiel) and take the position that this data is there for the taking and as such those two companies have a very hands view of privacy.  Granted I'm too dumb to have made a killing in that realm (one of my 3 best HS friends ran a HFT firm before retiring at the age of 35 bored with it and one of the other three was one of the first Google employees who left and made a killing reselling adwords...they're both down the cryptocurrency rabbit hole now), but the entire culture is basically anything goes.  

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Mensch was definitely on this. And what I recall was that her theory was, and she did some public corporate database searches, indicates that part of CA's parent's ownership structure was connected to Russia or actually Russian. And there was a MSM news report on the parent company that was very similar to this, though TBH I cannot recall if it was about Russian clients or actual part Russian ownership, so I am not sure if that part specifically has been confirmed.
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My guess is someone from MI-6 wanted the stories out there and with the British liable laws, resorted to using her instead of the British press.  She was too good, too early.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Maybe?  

I mean at a minimum, it's been pretty evident that they were up to their eyeballs in this story with Bannon's and Mercer's involvement to say nothing about what they actually did/didn't do.  

I keep saying this, but Facebook and Google (and most of the MIT computer whizzes) are all more or less uber-libertarians (like Thiel) and take the position that this data is there for the taking and as such those two companies have a very hands view of privacy.  Granted I'm too dumb to have made a killing in that realm (one of my 3 best HS friends ran a HFT firm before retiring at the age of 35 bored with it and one of the other three was one of the first Google employees who left and made a killing reselling adwords...they're both down the cryptocurrency rabbit hole now), but the entire culture is basically anything goes.  
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"They want to fight a culture war in America"...CA was supposed to be the arsenal of weapons to fight that culture war"  Christopher Wylie

 
Sammy3469 said:
Maybe?  

I mean at a minimum, it's been pretty evident that they were up to their eyeballs in this story with Bannon's and Mercer's involvement to say nothing about what they actually did/didn't do.  

I keep saying this, but Facebook and Google (and most of the MIT computer whizzes) are all more or less uber-libertarians (like Thiel) and take the position that this data is there for the taking and as such those two companies have a very hands view of privacy.  Granted I'm too dumb to have made a killing in that realm (one of my 3 best HS friends ran a HFT firm before retiring at the age of 35 bored with it and one of the other three was one of the first Google employees who left and made a killing reselling adwords...they're both down the cryptocurrency rabbit hole now), but the entire culture is basically anything goes.  
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I guess like others in this forum I've marked my time in the digital age and one thing I can say is that people's behavior or understanding of the virtual world seems completely disconnected from what we would call the real world in terns of ethics and morality. The corporate aspect though I think will be written about one day like the robber barons of yore came to be.

 
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Sammy3469 said:
My guess is someone from MI-6 wanted the stories out there and with the British liable laws, resorted to using her instead of the British press.  She was too good, too early.
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She’s extremely well connected. She was a member of parliament. Nothing she “theorizes” comes out of thin air. 

 
In Tuesday’s second instalment of an undercover investigation by Channel 4 News in association with the Observer, Nix said he had a close working relationship with Trump and claimed Cambridge Analytica was pivotal to his successful campaign.

“We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting. We ran all the digital campaign, the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy,” he told reporters who were posing as potential clients from Sri Lanka.

The company’s head of data, Alex Tayler, added: “When you think about the fact that Donald Trump lost the popular vote by 3m votes but won the electoral college vote that’s down to the data and the research.

“You did your rallies in the right locations, you moved more people out in those key swing states on election day. That’s how he won the election.”

Another executive, Mark Turnbull, managing director of Cambridge Analytica’s political division, was recorded saying: “He won by 40,000 votes in three states. The margins were tiny.”
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- Guardian.

 
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Mr Nix also belittled representatives on the House Intelligence Committee to whom he gave evidence in 2017. He claims Republican members asked just three questions. “After five minutes – done.”

“They’re politicians, they’re not technical. They don’t understand how it works,” he said.
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- Ch. 4.

 
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Bucky86 said:
https://www.channel4.com/news/exposed-undercover-secrets-of-donald-trump-data-firm-cambridge-analytica
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Mr Nix boasted about Cambridge Analytica’s work for Trump, saying: “We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy.”

Separately, Mr Turnbull described how the company could create proxy organisations to discreetly feed negative material about opposition candidates on to the Internet and social media.

He said: “Sometimes you can use proxy organisations who are already there. You feed them. They are civil society organisations.. Charities or activist groups, and we use them – feed them the material and they do the work…

“We just put information into the bloodstream to the internet and then watch it grow, give it a little push every now and again over time to watch it take shape. And so this stuff infiltrates the online community and expands but with no branding – so it’s unattributable, untrackable.”

Cambridge Analytica’s senior executives were also filmed discussing a twin-track strategy to campaigning, putting out positive messages through the official Donald J Trump for President campaign, while negative material was pushed out through outside organisations.

Cambridge Analytica’s chief data scientist Dr Tayler said: “As part of it, sometimes you have to separate it from the political campaign itself. So in America you know there  are independent expenditure groups running behind the campaign… Super pacs. Political action committees.

“So, campaigns are normally subject to limits about how much money they can raise.  Whereas outside groups can raise an unlimited amount. So the campaign will use their finite resources for things like persuasion and mobilisation and then they leave the ‘air war’ they call it, like the negative attack ads to other affiliated groups.”

In a different meeting, Mr Turnbull described how the company created the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads, that were funded by the Make America Number 1 super-PAC and watched more than 30 million times during the campaign.

Coordination between an official election campaign and any outside groups is illegal under US election law. Cambridge Analytica deny wrongdoing, insisting a strict firewall separated out their activity and that they were transparent about their work on political campaigns and PACs.

‘No paper trail’

In one exchange Alexander Nix revealed the company used a secret self-destructing email system that leaves no trace. He said: “No-one knows we have it, and secondly we set our… emails with a self-destruct timer… So you send them and after they’ve been read, two hours later, they disappear. There’s no evidence, there’s no paper trail, there’s nothing.”

 
Sinn Fein said:
Mr Nix boasted about Cambridge Analytica’s work for Trump, saying: “We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy.”

Separately, Mr Turnbull described how the company could create proxy organisations to discreetly feed negative material about opposition candidates on to the Internet and social media.

He said: “Sometimes you can use proxy organisations who are already there. You feed them. They are civil society organisations.. Charities or activist groups, and we use them – feed them the material and they do the work…

“We just put information into the bloodstream to the internet and then watch it grow, give it a little push every now and again over time to watch it take shape. And so this stuff infiltrates the online community and expands but with no branding – so it’s unattributable, untrackable.”

Cambridge Analytica’s senior executives were also filmed discussing a twin-track strategy to campaigning, putting out positive messages through the official Donald J Trump for President campaign, while negative material was pushed out through outside organisations.

Cambridge Analytica’s chief data scientist Dr Tayler said: “As part of it, sometimes you have to separate it from the political campaign itself. So in America you know there  are independent expenditure groups running behind the campaign… Super pacs. Political action committees.

“So, campaigns are normally subject to limits about how much money they can raise.  Whereas outside groups can raise an unlimited amount. So the campaign will use their finite resources for things like persuasion and mobilisation and then they leave the ‘air war’ they call it, like the negative attack ads to other affiliated groups.”

In a different meeting, Mr Turnbull described how the company created the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads, that were funded by the Make America Number 1 super-PAC and watched more than 30 million times during the campaign.

Coordination between an official election campaign and any outside groups is illegal under US election law. Cambridge Analytica deny wrongdoing, insisting a strict firewall separated out their activity and that they were transparent about their work on political campaigns and PACs.

‘No paper trail’

In one exchange Alexander Nix revealed the company used a secret self-destructing email system that leaves no trace. He said: “No-one knows we have it, and secondly we set our… emails with a self-destruct timer… So you send them and after they’ve been read, two hours later, they disappear. There’s no evidence, there’s no paper trail, there’s nothing.”
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Is that actually true?  Secondly, if say someone like the NSA intercepted a foreigner to foreigner e-mail that had a self-destruct timer before it self-destructed, would it matter?

 
Sinn Fein said:
Mr Nix boasted about Cambridge Analytica’s work for Trump, saying: “We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy.”

Separately, Mr Turnbull described how the company could create proxy organisations to discreetly feed negative material about opposition candidates on to the Internet and social media.

He said: “Sometimes you can use proxy organisations who are already there. You feed them. They are civil society organisations.. Charities or activist groups, and we use them – feed them the material and they do the work…

“We just put information into the bloodstream to the internet and then watch it grow, give it a little push every now and again over time to watch it take shape. And so this stuff infiltrates the online community and expands but with no branding – so it’s unattributable, untrackable.”

Cambridge Analytica’s senior executives were also filmed discussing a twin-track strategy to campaigning, putting out positive messages through the official Donald J Trump for President campaign, while negative material was pushed out through outside organisations.

Cambridge Analytica’s chief data scientist Dr Tayler said: “As part of it, sometimes you have to separate it from the political campaign itself. So in America you know there  are independent expenditure groups running behind the campaign… Super pacs. Political action committees.

“So, campaigns are normally subject to limits about how much money they can raise.  Whereas outside groups can raise an unlimited amount. So the campaign will use their finite resources for things like persuasion and mobilisation and then they leave the ‘air war’ they call it, like the negative attack ads to other affiliated groups.”

In a different meeting, Mr Turnbull described how the company created the “Defeat Crooked Hilary” brand of attack ads, that were funded by the Make America Number 1 super-PAC and watched more than 30 million times during the campaign.

Coordination between an official election campaign and any outside groups is illegal under US election law. Cambridge Analytica deny wrongdoing, insisting a strict firewall separated out their activity and that they were transparent about their work on political campaigns and PACs.

‘No paper trail’

In one exchange Alexander Nix revealed the company used a secret self-destructing email system that leaves no trace. He said: “No-one knows we have it, and secondly we set our… emails with a self-destruct timer… So you send them and after they’ve been read, two hours later, they disappear. There’s no evidence, there’s no paper trail, there’s nothing.”
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Stuff out of a dystopian film here.

 
Henry Ford said:
March 31/April 1, 2017, Louise Mensch:

https://patribotics.blog/2017/04/01/alfa-bank-trump-tower-and-a-social-media-impeachment/
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My goodness:

I believe, in summary:

A Russian spy stole the Facebook data of hundreds of millions of Americans

From that data, Russia crafted propaganda messages via SCL and targeted them by Cambridge Analytica

Both of these were owned by Alfa Bank and Firtash, Russian agent and boss of Manafort;

In order to perfect the social media targeting Russia hacked the electoral voter databases of various key American states:

This information was fed back to Manafort and Cambridge Analytica / SCL via the means of the bank server in Trump Tower;

Manafort and Trump used terrifyingly accurate micro-targeting obtained firstly by Facebook theft but secondly by Russia obtaining the exact demographic profiles of voters through hacks of US state databases and passing it back to Cambridge Analytica.
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Glanced at her twitter and she's definitely taking a bit of a victory lap. As she should be.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Is that actually true?  Secondly, if say someone like the NSA intercepted a foreigner to foreigner e-mail that had a self-destruct timer before it self-destructed, would it matter?
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I’m sure there are ways around.  Anyway, can’t say I’m surprised and looking back 14 months, Trump was taking bows for Kushner’s microtargetting strategy...the one they will Hang Jared out by his jewels now 

 
Mr. Ham said:
CA's PR department is hysterical.  Those things our CEO said plainly that we did, in meetings recorded over several months, it's absolutely absurd to think we would have done them!  Why would you even think such a thing?
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My favorite was their tweet from a few days ago:

Cambridge Analytica‏ @CamAnalytica

Advertising is not coercive; people are smarter than that

11:49 AM - 17 Mar 2018

 
All these stories are really accelerating and converging at the same time...pretty crazy...

After this CA aspect is really coming into focus I thought of the perfect analogy....I'm a big puzzle guy (used to love doing them before kids...I know nerd alert) but this whole story reminds me of doing a really big puzzle...you start with a several thousand pieces out of the box, then spend a ton of time flipping and sorting the pieces into groups....then you start the pain staking process of putting the groupings together and then assembling the groupings to make a picture and as you put more and more of the puzzle together it really starts to accelerate at the end.

After all these guys at different levels have flipped (Flynn, Gates, Papo, Nader, others??) you hear more and more what went on and can start to connect the dots.  Now you have Trump in full melt down mode, wanting to turnover his legal term now because he's cornered and his existing strategy didn't work.  This is going to make one hell of 3 season Netflix documentary someday.....

 
cripes trump being mad at carson price pruitt and the rest of them for buying fancy furniture or fancy private flights reminds me so much of the christmas party scene in goodfellas where jimmy gets mad a jonny roastbeef for buying his wife a new car and frank for buying his wife a new fur coat its like hey when your doing unethical stuff you gotta keep it quiet take that to the bank brohans 

 
Mr. Ham said:
One thing that struck me when I read the first article about CA last year, was that SCL's US HQ had been listed at Newscorp Building in New York City.  Same building that Hannity broadcast from.  Remember how active Hannity was in re-broadcasting the disinformation. 
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Unless they were on the same floor, and in the same subdivision of that floor, you've got nothing here.

 
Bucky86 said:
Yup. 

I said it a few weeks ago. Mueller is setting the stage for his big reveal. 
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I look at it differently - seems like more avenues are opening up.  Obviously I have no idea what Mueller knows or does not know - but its hard to fathom a case that is this complex coming together in less than a year since Mueller took over the investigation.  

So much information to digest, let alone build a case from it.

I'g guess the Cambridge Analytica stuff, while not completely new to Mueller, will certainly invite a closer look.  The Stormy NDA campaign/Finance issue - does it come under Mueller, or would that be a separate investigative team?

And, unraveling the financial transactions of Trump Org, looking for things they were trying to hide - I don't see that happening quickly.

Having said that, I would not be shocked to see more indictments handed down in the next month or so, just to sho he is making progress.

On the outside chance that Trump fires Rosenstein to find someone to fire Mueller, I imagine Mueller might have an on-going document summarizing the findings that would be delivered to Congress, somewhat ensuring the investigation continues.

In the face of the recent CA allegations - its hard to see how congress could allow the independent investigation to stop - even if they had to create their own Independent investigation.

 
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