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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (5 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
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Now replace broken windows with drugs. Prosecute only those crimes but not corruption, fraud, insider trader and most other flavors of white collar crime.
Welcome to the New Jim Crow.
Banger
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Natasha BertrandVerified account @NatashaBertrand
"The NRA would not confirm whether or not it had entered into a cooperation agreement with Butina’s group. 'The NRA says it is not aware of any such agreement,' a spokesperson for the gun lobbying group said in an emailed statement."
The Football Freak
Footballguy
Bah gawd, that’s Karma’s music!!!!
msommer
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Sheriff Bart
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msommer
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Henry Ford
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To paraphrase Paul Reubens, "if no one else is going to do it, I'm happy to do it myself."
BigJim®
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Hmm, adds a twist to November reports that Trump was asking around about Pence's loyalty.her speculation is that a subpoena for Mike Pence that he's been fighting since August....
Louise MenschVerified account @LouiseMensch
I'll take "Who is @Mike_Pence?" for 3000 rubles, please Alex
It's to call @Mike_Pence as a witness. He doesn't think he should have to. Bobby Three disagrees.
Zoe TillmanVerified account @ZoeTillman
Here's what we know: The underlying grand jury matter was filed in August and there was a judgment in early October (the docket is otherwise completely sealed)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-i-dont-question-pences-loyalty-at-all
Banger
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Mueller courtroom intrigue....
Mystery Mueller mayhem at a Washington court
Updated 2:07 PM ET, Fri December 14, 2018
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the E. Barrett Prettyman building - United States Courthouse, April 26, 2013, in Washington D.C.
Washington (CNN)Fridays at the DC federal courthouse are typically days of high alert for the press corps trying to discern what special counsel Robert Mueller's next legal action will be.
But this Friday, court officials went to extreme measures to ensure it was as difficult as possible to figure out what Mueller's team was doing as the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held a secret and mysterious argument about a grand jury subpoena challenge.
An entire floor of the courthouse was closed to the public and press for more than an hour. During that time, attorneys secretly entered the courthouse to argue before three federal appellate judges over a grand jury subpoena.
The mystery of the subpoena appeal appears to date back to early September, when CNN witnessed several lawyers from Mueller's office entering a courtroom to argue against an unknown defense team before a trial-level judge who oversees federal grand jury-related cases.
Clearly, a challenge related to Mueller's grand jury investigation was underway.
Shortly after, that judge, Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court, ruled on a case related to a grand jury subpoena, and the losing party attempted to appeal the ruling. The appellate court batted the case back down to Howell, who held a second sealed hearing on October 5. Though CNN was locked out of the courtroom while the arguments took place, the hearing featured the same team from Mueller's office as before, which included top criminal law appellate lawyer Michael Dreeben.
Mueller's office declined to comment on the hearings.
That same day Mueller's team clashed in a sealed courtroom with an unknown opponent, Howell issued another ruling on the same grand jury subpoena challenge she had decided before, sending the losing party back to the appellate court to ask for reconsideration.
Politico a few days later overheard an attorney at the appellate court discussing sealed Mueller court filings -- and the mysterious grand jury challenge got its argument date set before a three-judge panel at the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.
Argument day arrived Friday.
Typically, DC Circuit Court arguments run smoothly, one after another until three cases have been argued publicly, starting at 9:30 am in a large, portrait-lined courtroom on the Fifth Floor of the federal courthouse on Constitution Avenue. But after Circuit judges David Tatel, Thomas Griffith and Stephen William -- who coincidentally has written two books on Russian history -- heard an immigration-related case Friday morning, the courthouse security went into lockdown mode.
Tatel, Griffith and Williams took a brief recess, indicating they'd return to the courtroom shortly.
Then, security officers cleared the appeals courtroom, allowing only about a dozen law clerks working for federal judges to stay behind, including at least one who assists Howell with her cases.
Security guards also cleared the vestibule to the courtroom and checked the coat closet where attorneys coming to listen to arguments stash their belongings. They locked the door leading to the attorneys' lounge on that floor and shooed the more than 20 reporters prowling the hall away from the elevator bank and told them to vacate the nearby stairwells. At one point, even an elevator wouldn't open its doors on the fifth floor.
The entire level of the building on which the appeals court is housed was locked down.
For more than an hour, the press waited, staking out stairwells and exits. The gaggle of law clerks dispersed about an hour after the arguments started, and then silence. No recognizable attorneys were spotted coming in and out of the courtroom or even the building.
No sign that it was Mueller's office. No sign of defense counsel. The courthouse security had ushered the lawyers into and out of the building for their secret hearing completely under cover. The sealed hearing stayed confidential.
And then, about 10 minutes after the court activity appeared to wrap for the day, a black Justice Department car rolled into Mueller's office building, bringing attorneys including Dreeben and Zainab Ahmad back to their home base.
Mystery Mueller mayhem at a Washington court
Updated 2:07 PM ET, Fri December 14, 2018
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, the E. Barrett Prettyman building - United States Courthouse, April 26, 2013, in Washington D.C.
Washington (CNN)Fridays at the DC federal courthouse are typically days of high alert for the press corps trying to discern what special counsel Robert Mueller's next legal action will be.
But this Friday, court officials went to extreme measures to ensure it was as difficult as possible to figure out what Mueller's team was doing as the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held a secret and mysterious argument about a grand jury subpoena challenge.
An entire floor of the courthouse was closed to the public and press for more than an hour. During that time, attorneys secretly entered the courthouse to argue before three federal appellate judges over a grand jury subpoena.
The mystery of the subpoena appeal appears to date back to early September, when CNN witnessed several lawyers from Mueller's office entering a courtroom to argue against an unknown defense team before a trial-level judge who oversees federal grand jury-related cases.
Clearly, a challenge related to Mueller's grand jury investigation was underway.
Shortly after, that judge, Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court, ruled on a case related to a grand jury subpoena, and the losing party attempted to appeal the ruling. The appellate court batted the case back down to Howell, who held a second sealed hearing on October 5. Though CNN was locked out of the courtroom while the arguments took place, the hearing featured the same team from Mueller's office as before, which included top criminal law appellate lawyer Michael Dreeben.
Mueller's office declined to comment on the hearings.
That same day Mueller's team clashed in a sealed courtroom with an unknown opponent, Howell issued another ruling on the same grand jury subpoena challenge she had decided before, sending the losing party back to the appellate court to ask for reconsideration.
Politico a few days later overheard an attorney at the appellate court discussing sealed Mueller court filings -- and the mysterious grand jury challenge got its argument date set before a three-judge panel at the DC Circuit Court of Appeals.
Argument day arrived Friday.
Typically, DC Circuit Court arguments run smoothly, one after another until three cases have been argued publicly, starting at 9:30 am in a large, portrait-lined courtroom on the Fifth Floor of the federal courthouse on Constitution Avenue. But after Circuit judges David Tatel, Thomas Griffith and Stephen William -- who coincidentally has written two books on Russian history -- heard an immigration-related case Friday morning, the courthouse security went into lockdown mode.
Tatel, Griffith and Williams took a brief recess, indicating they'd return to the courtroom shortly.
Then, security officers cleared the appeals courtroom, allowing only about a dozen law clerks working for federal judges to stay behind, including at least one who assists Howell with her cases.
Security guards also cleared the vestibule to the courtroom and checked the coat closet where attorneys coming to listen to arguments stash their belongings. They locked the door leading to the attorneys' lounge on that floor and shooed the more than 20 reporters prowling the hall away from the elevator bank and told them to vacate the nearby stairwells. At one point, even an elevator wouldn't open its doors on the fifth floor.
The entire level of the building on which the appeals court is housed was locked down.
For more than an hour, the press waited, staking out stairwells and exits. The gaggle of law clerks dispersed about an hour after the arguments started, and then silence. No recognizable attorneys were spotted coming in and out of the courtroom or even the building.
No sign that it was Mueller's office. No sign of defense counsel. The courthouse security had ushered the lawyers into and out of the building for their secret hearing completely under cover. The sealed hearing stayed confidential.
And then, about 10 minutes after the court activity appeared to wrap for the day, a black Justice Department car rolled into Mueller's office building, bringing attorneys including Dreeben and Zainab Ahmad back to their home base.
Henry Ford
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Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
I'm going to ask my daughter to name her next child, if a boy, Robert. It always has been a strong, masculine, sexy, name.
Banger
Footballguy
Seth AbramsonVerified account @SethAbramson
PS/ The level of security/secrecy is *so* high that at least one former federal prosecutor has speculated that the witness is *Trump himself* (which Trump denies). I feel like if it were any of the Trumps, we'd know. Other possibilities: Pence, McGahn, Barrack, Sessions, Hicks...
PS2/ ...Lewandowski, Weisselberg, a former Trump attorney (extraordinary circumstances would have to underlie this subpoena, if so), Schmitz, Gordon, Rhona Graff, Broidy, Nader, a top NRA official, Sater... ...but many of these witnesses are cooperating, so why fight a subpoena?
PS3/ I feel like the man most likely to fight a subpoena—whose identity might lead the feds to close a floor of the DC courthouse; assuming, too, it's not some whistleblower whose name/identity we couldn't possibly know—is Lewandowski. But Sessions, Graff, and Hicks are up there.
Sheriff Bart
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Banger
Footballguy
I know it's been said a dozen times...but THIS has to be the worst week yet due to the number of investigations on nearly every aspect of his business, administration, campaign, inauguration and transition. It's insane.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
The writers must have gotten their hands on some kind bud.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
I'm waiting for the day that Mueller just kills someone with his bare hands.
SaintsInDome2006
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jomar
Footballguy
this is the best reality tv series in the history of everything. everyday, some little tidbit comes out. the most riveting suspense in the history of this country. Trump is going to be very proud of the ratings this thing gets. the best ever! many people are saying this, but this time it will really be true
Sheriff Bart
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The Football Freak
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Banger
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Andrew ProkopVerified account @awprokop
CNN saw Zainab Ahmad and Michael Dreeben return in car to SCO office shortly after mystery grand jury witness arguments wrapped.
Dreeben is no surprise because he handles appellate. Ahmad's presence is more interesting because we know little about what she's been up to, as @emptywheel has written: https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/12/05/updating-the-mueller-docket-what-has-zainab-ahmad-been-working-on/ …
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The Hoarse Whisperer Retweeted Andrew Prokop
1) Zainab Ahmad doesn’t lose
2) She led the Mike Flynn case
3) Mike Pence is the person most inculpated if the WH’s claims that they didn’t know what Flynn had been doing were false
squistion
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Mueller's team responds to Flynn's sentencing memo:
"Nothing about the way the interview was arranged or conducted caused the defendant to make false statements to the FBI on January 24."
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1073675258480058368
"Nothing about the way the interview was arranged or conducted caused the defendant to make false statements to the FBI on January 24."
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1073675258480058368
SaintsInDome2006
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SWC
Bromigo
that bear would see ole bobby coming and would kill himself first and that is because rule number one of the forest is you do not i repeat do not mess robert fn mueller take that to the bank brohans
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cosjobs
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Does the NRA connect Trump to Russia?
Radio Atlantic Podcast with Natasha Bertrand
On this week’s Radio Atlantic, Alex Wagner talks with the Atlantic staff writer Natasha Bertrand to catch up on the week’s news. Then, to make sense of how the gun lobby, Russia, and the Trump campaign connect to one another, she’s joined by Mike Spies, a staff writer for The Trace, who covers the gun lobby.
Listen to learn how the NRA evolved from a small sportsman’s organization to a Washington powerhouse to now, it seems, a potential back channel to the Kremlin.
(Note: This episode was taped before news of investigations into Trump’s inauguration spending.)
Radio Atlantic Podcast with Natasha Bertrand
On this week’s Radio Atlantic, Alex Wagner talks with the Atlantic staff writer Natasha Bertrand to catch up on the week’s news. Then, to make sense of how the gun lobby, Russia, and the Trump campaign connect to one another, she’s joined by Mike Spies, a staff writer for The Trace, who covers the gun lobby.
Listen to learn how the NRA evolved from a small sportsman’s organization to a Washington powerhouse to now, it seems, a potential back channel to the Kremlin.
(Note: This episode was taped before news of investigations into Trump’s inauguration spending.)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Update on today’s events?
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Prison congress?
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It is true. I will be running for Congress in 2020, and I will win. Stay tuned.
12:23 PM - 14 Dec 2018
He's got Ren's vote.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Papadopoulos should have said "running from Congress".
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Why aren’t felons barred from running?
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It is true. I will be running for Congress in 2020, and I will win. Stay tuned.
12:23 PM - 14 Dec 2018
He's got Ren's vote.
/s Louisiana
SaintsInDome2006
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Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Nunes is on Fox. You'll never believe it but doesn't understand what the big deal is.
ETA "The whole Russian collusion thing was dying out" after the election.
"He (Flynn) admitted to lying though."
Nunes: Yeah, but that's also entrapment.
"Nobody put a gun to his head. He admitted to lying"
Cavuto called him repeatedly on his BS.
ETA "The whole Russian collusion thing was dying out" after the election.
"He (Flynn) admitted to lying though."
Nunes: Yeah, but that's also entrapment.
"Nobody put a gun to his head. He admitted to lying"
Cavuto called him repeatedly on his BS.
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Henry Ford
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dkp993
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Banger
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He knows that may be the last statement on Trump crimes before leaving he knows that it won’t age well
dkp993
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hmm.... Liddy and a team of covert ops broke into DNC ops to see what they could see about Muskie’s personal history, right?
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ren hoek
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To be fair, I never cited FARA. Only that my understanding is she needed to report to the AG to have continued the work she was doing legally.
Sheriff Bart
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Sheriff Bart
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There were (thankfully) fake bomb threats nationwide today. Guess where they all originated from?
That's right, Moscow.
That's right, Moscow.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
No, the Muskie thing happened in February 1972 -- one of Nixon's operatives planted a fake letter accusing Muskie of using an ethnic slur. Muskie probably could have weathered the storm except that he basically melted down during a subsequent press conference.
As for Watergate, one of Nixon's aides (Jeb Magruder) has stated that the purpose of the break-in was to find out if the Democrats knew about Nixon's receipt of $100,000 from Howard Hughes.
BTW, Roger Stone was a longtime pusher of the conspiracy theory that John Dean ordered the Watergate break-in to steal documents related to a sex ring that he was supposedly involved with. (Hmmm...didn't Stone start the Pizzagate story as well? Wonder if that whole thing wasn't just a giant re-write of his old script.)
OrtonToOlsen
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/fancychick/6428900779Papadopoulos should have said "running from Congress".
