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16 minutes ago, Banger said:

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True -- but as I said before the FBI collected a lot of intel on Butina and her contacts (inc possibly via FISA surveillance) before she was arrested...I suspect they have a lot to go on without her. And Trump can't trade Americans once they're arrested soooo

 

 

didn't realize this...

omg, he'd have to pardon her first?

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1 hour ago, Sinn Fein said:

Mueller and his ANGRY democrats are treating the lovely Maria Butina VERY unfairly.  She did nothing wrong and just wants to go home to Russia.  I have issued an executive order making that happen.  In fact she is already on a jet plane.  I don't know when she'll be back again...   1/2

 

... Also, and totally separately, I spoke with Putin this morning and DEMANDED that Russia release Paul Whelan.  I told him that if Russia messed with the Bull, they will get the horns!  Putin is a smart man, he agreed to send Whelan home tonight. #MAGA  #nopuppet  #nocollusion   2/2

 

Collusion spelled correcty. No random capitalization. No way he quotes John Denver

Weak effort.2/10

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I don't know the details, but I just got off the phone with my dad, who is retired Navy, and he is really mad they* keep referring to Whelan as a "retired marine" as, according to my dad, Whelan was discharged for bad conduct, including theft...

Let that ####er rot in Russia, imo

 

"They = media

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32 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

:lol:

I don't know the details, but I just got off the phone with my dad, who is retired Navy, and he is really mad they* keep referring to Whelan as a "retired marine" as, according to my dad, Whelan was discharged for bad conduct, including theft...

Let that ####er rot in Russia, imo

 

"They = media

First page of Whelan’s court martial

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Kevin Poulsen‏Verified account @kpoulsen

Paul Whelan's arrest may be retaliation for Butina, but no way it's a scheme to get her back in a spy-swap. By her sentencing date she'll have already served more than the 6-month maximum contemplated by her plea agreement. She's looking at time-served and a plane ticket home.

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Just now, The Indestructible said:

Kevin Poulsen‏Verified account @kpoulsen

Paul Whelan's arrest may be retaliation for Butina, but no way it's a scheme to get her back in a spy-swap. By her sentencing date she'll have already served more than the 6-month maximum contemplated by her plea agreement. She's looking at time-served and a plane ticket home.

Does she get a plane ticket "home" or just a ticket out of the US? Putin may have an interest in making sure that ticket is to Russia, whether she wants to go there or not.

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Why did Trump endorse old Soviet talking points on Afghanistan?...But there’s one angle to this that lingered in my mind: where, exactly, did Trump get this bogus history lesson?

...It sure would be nice to know who played the role of history teacher for the confused American president.

Maybe Trump just made it up, which is possible given his over-active imagination and his capacity for concocting all kinds of strange beliefs, though the level of specificity suggests someone actually told him a story.

It seems unlikely Trump read it somewhere, since he’s not much of a reader, and it’s implausible to think he’d deliberately brush up on Middle East history from the 1970s. It seems even less likely that he heard this from someone on his staff, since the president’s aides generally don’t encourage him to believe Soviet propaganda. He probably didn’t get this from conservative media, since Fox News doesn’t devote much airtime to covering Soviet foreign policy from the Carter era.

So who put this nonsense in Trump’s head? The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler asked, “Is it possible that Trump’s remarks on Afghanistan … reflect a conversation he had with Putin?”

That need not be a rhetorical question.

Postscript: Jon Chait added yesterday, “Meanwhile, the Russian government is moving an official resolution defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. (The approval is scheduled to take place next month.) Russians have previously called the invasion a tragic error, but Vladimir Putin’s regime — which regards the collapse of the Soviet Union as a world-historical tragedy — is systematically rehabilitating various Soviet crimes.”

 

Maddow made these points tonight, that Trump has previously made bizarre policy claims - they were not liberal, not conservative, not socialist nor even nationalist policy positions found anywhere in the US on three occasions now:

  • Supposed Polish hostility on the Belarus border.
  • The claim that Montenegro was an aggressive nation which might start WW3.
  • And now that the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan was justified and "right." - It turns out that the Putinist Duma in conjunction with the communists are set to approve a resolution stating just that, something which few if any in the US had noticed.

Eta - Maddow piece here.

Summary here.

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Umm...This is something:

Julian Röpcke

@JulianRoepcke

7h

#BREAKING Germany faces the biggest hacker attack in its history. Private data of almost 1000 German #Bundestag, #Regional Parliament & #EU delegates was leaked. I worked through the leaked data all night. It's shocking! Not affected so far: #AfD. (link: https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/hacker-angriff-daten-von-politikern-gestohlen-und-veroeffentlicht-59349480.bild.html) bild.de/politik/inland… #BTleaks

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1 hour ago, Slapdash said:

Umm...This is something:

Julian Röpcke

@JulianRoepcke

7h

#BREAKING Germany faces the biggest hacker attack in its history. Private data of almost 1000 German #Bundestag, #Regional Parliament & #EU delegates was leaked. I worked through the leaked data all night. It's shocking! Not affected so far: #AfD. (link: https://www.bild.de/politik/inland/politik-inland/hacker-angriff-daten-von-politikern-gestohlen-und-veroeffentlicht-59349480.bild.html) bild.de/politik/inland… #BTleaks

It’s more than something.  It’s probably the biggest data breach and release in the history of the internet.  And every scrap of data is mirrored and re-mirrored and basically every precaution has been taken to make sure it cannot be effectively removed from the internet.  

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22 hours ago, [scooter] said:

Yeah, why travel to Russia to drop off a USB stick? Just convert the files to an encrypted .zip file and upload it to Piratebay.

I once had to respond to a state of MN RFP by hand delivering a USB or CD in an envelope. No printed replies accepted. Also could not mail it.

When I went to actual meeting after they accepted my bid, the team all had printed out copies in front of them. USB was nowhere to be found.

People are dumb

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2 hours ago, parrot said:

Maddow on Trump spreading Russian propaganda IN HIS CABINET MEETING;

 Part 1: https://on.msnbc.com/2R7vkQP 

Part 2:  https://on.msnbc.com/2VuxfNL

:wall:

Even the WSJ is going after him for this one;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-cracked-afghan-history-11546560234

“We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President,”

 

 

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31 minutes ago, parrot said:

Even the WSJ is going after him for this one;

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-cracked-afghan-history-11546560234

“We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President,”

I would be ok if it was a "misstatement"

It was deliberate propaganda straight out of Putin's mouth.

 

Since I am not an elected official:  Impeach the Mother####er 

 

Seriously though - this should be much bigger news than it is.   Our President is literally picking up his talking points from the Kremlin.  

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40 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

I would be ok if it was a "misstatement"

It was deliberate propaganda straight out of Putin's mouth.

 

Since I am not an elected official:  Impeach the Mother####er 

 

Seriously though - this should be much bigger news than it is.   Our President is literally picking up his talking points from the Kremlin.  

A "misstatement" can be intentional or unintentional.   With a little more context, I don't think they were suggesting that it was in any way unintentional;

"As reprehensible was Mr. Trump's utterly false narrative of the Soviet Union's involvement there in the 1980s. He said: "The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there."

Right to be there? We cannot recall a more absurd misstatement of history by an American President. The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan with three divisions in December 1979 to prop up a fellow communist government."

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26 minutes ago, JuniorNB said:

Next week, I expect Mueller to make a huge move. Trump is getting way too crazy and power hungry lately. Expect Don Jr to be indicted.

My opinion is that Mueller knows going after a relative of Trump will really be like hitting the nuclear button, so he's going to save anything like that until right before the end.  Otherwise he's putting the work of the whole group into jeopardy earlier than necessary.  None of us know when the end is, but my guess is that if Junior, Jared, or Ivanka get dinged, we know the endgame is near.  (Insert Avengers reference here.)

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46 minutes ago, Bucky86 said:

Marshall Cohen‏Verified account @MarshallCohen

BIG MUELLER NEWS: The federal grand jury in DC that Mueller has been using was just extended for another six months, per my colleague @kpolantz. The original 18-month term was set to expire but the chief judge of the DC District Court has extended the grand jury's mandate.

12:39 PM - 4 Jan 2019

Does this mean this will delay his final report for another six months?

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American detained by Russia was convicted of trying to steal thousands of dollars while deployed to Iraq as a Marine

The Marine Corps found Paul Whelan, the American citizen detained by Russia on espionage charges, guilty of attempting to steal more than $10,000 worth of currency from the U.S. government while deployed to Iraq in 2006 and bouncing nearly $6,000 worth of checks around the same time, according to records obtained by The Washington Post.

The details of the charges against Whelan from a special court-martial that resulted in his discharge for bad conduct two years later add to an increasingly complex picture of the 48-year-old former Marine, whom Russian officials have accused of spying. His case grew more perplexing on Friday after Ireland became the fourth nation to acknowledge him as a citizen and seek consular access.

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The Marines have not provided any additional information about the circumstances surrounding Whelan’s crimes. 

Whelan served as an administrative chief during in the Marines — a job akin to office management that would have given him access to certain sensitive systems, likely including those the service uses to issue orders and hand out awards. 

In addition to convicting him of attempted larceny and bouncing checks, the Marine Corps also found Whelan guilty of falsely using another person’s social security number to sign in the online training system Marines access to complete courses that can advance their rank and pay. The record of conviction says Whelan “proctored” an account on the system without permission. 

The Marines charged him with fraudulently opening electronic proctor accounts on the system, completing multiple examinations and grading his own examinations, which could have resulted broadly in advancements in rank and pay. The special court-martial, however, found him not guilty of that charge. 

The special court-martial also found him guilty of willfully failing to report his leave on three occasions and going absent from his unit twice, in one case for two days. 

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In addition to demands by the Trump administration for greater details on Russia’s claims against Whelan, three other nations are now in the mix and offering potential assistance.

Whelan also carried passports from Canada, where he was born, as well as from Britain and Ireland. Whelan obtained the two European passports through family lineage. ...

- This is an odd resume for a guy hired as a 'security' manager or consultant at an auto parts manufacturer.

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Paul Whelan, the U.S. ex-Marine held in Russia on espionage charges, is also a citizen of Ireland. He has sought consular assistance from the four (!) countries where he holds passports.…

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2 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

:lol:

 

 

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Paul Whelan, the U.S. ex-Marine held in Russia on espionage charges, is also a citizen of Ireland. He has sought consular assistance from the four (!) countries where he holds passports.…

Why does this man have 4 passports?

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Carrie Johnson‏Verified account @johnson_carrie 5h5 hours ago

The presentence investigation report for Paul Manafort has been filed w court in Alexandria, Va., but it remains under seal. Manafort will have a chance to file legal objections. The report will help Judge Ellis determine a punishment for Manafort who's to be sentenced Feb 8.

 

I assume this will cover much of the same topics that Mueller raised about Manafort breaching his plea agreement in the other case - not sure the actual effect here, since he was found guilty.  But there may be other things raised by Team Mueller, and continuing to lie to the SC is probably not going to win many favors from Judge Ellis.

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2 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

You're saying, if not nation state espionage, then corporate espionage? Or simply criminal activity?

I would guess something along the lines of corporate espionage.  This guy looks like a very shady character - and it does not look like he has the background for a security job at a mall, let alone a company with international ties - unless you wanted someone with experience doing shady things...

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2 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

I would guess something along the lines of corporate espionage.  This guy looks like a very shady character - and it does not look like he has the background for a security job at a mall, let alone a company with international ties - unless you wanted someone with experience doing shady things...

Do after Trump trades Butina for him he’s gonna be given a cabinet position?

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3 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

I would guess something along the lines of corporate espionage.  This guy looks like a very shady character - and it does not look like he has the background for a security job at a mall, let alone a company with international ties - unless you wanted someone with experience doing shady things...

With the amount of business in Russia that is owned in fact or in practice by the government or people in the government, corporate espionage is often spying against Russia. 

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