It's not often that a criminal voluntarily commit felonies in front of prosecutors and the entire world. Stupid Watergate, indeed.
Remember that according to the article some of the corroborating evidence is "interviews with multiple witnesses" by the special counsel's office, not including Cohen.Here is what I am envisioning as the corroborating evidence:
1. Cohen prepares his written remarks for the congressional testimony.
2. He wants to ensure that he and Trump are on the same page.
3. He send a draft copy of the remarks to Don Jr. (Because Trump Sr. does not do email)
4. Junior passes on draft to Senior (and perhaps significantly to other people who are now in legal jeopardy) for review
5. Junior responds to Cohen with either edits or an OK from Senior to submit that testimony to Congress.
"I was just going fishing.""Oh, hi there Chris Hanson. Wow I sure didn't expect to see you here. You see, I just drove over to visit what I thought was a 12 year old girl to warn her in person about the dangers of meeting strangers online."
Yeah - I was thinking maybe McGahnRemember that according to the article some of the corroborating evidence is "interviews with multiple witnesses" by the special counsel's office, not including Cohen.
So even if Don Jr copped to all this in talking to Mueller (which seems unlikely) there's still at least one other person out there corroborating.
"Hey guys, don't forget that my long-time personal attorney is a lying, corrupt felon. And that's exculpatory for me because . . . hey, prayer rugs!"
He really doesn't understand why yesterday's story is so problematic for him.
Huh.Article One of Nixon bill of impeachment, approved by House Judiciary Committee, accused Nixon of “approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to...false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings."
Clinton should have been removed from office, but wasn't.Playing devils advocate but how concrete was the obstruction evidence against President Clinton when he was accused of telling Monica Lewinski to deny they had sexual relations in her affidavit? I believe not a single Democrat Senator voted guilty on the obstruction of justice charges. Will this come back to haunt any potential impeachment of Trump? (All this of course is dependent upon “documents”proving Trump told Cohen to lie)
Actual quote: “If you believe Cohen I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge.""Lying isn't perjury" - Rudi Guiliani probably today.
Assuming the reporting is accurate (and I have zero reason to believe otherwise), I count at least three no-brainer items ready for Articles of Impeachment as soon as Congress has done a satistfactory investigation to confirm the widely agreed upon facts:Article One of Nixon bill of impeachment, approved by House Judiciary Committee, accused Nixon of “approving, condoning, acquiescing in, and counselling witnesses with respect to...false or misleading testimony in duly instituted judicial and congressional proceedings."
Also consorting with the enemy is orders of magnitude worse than canoodling with an intern. Maybe the severity of the obstruction might matter.Clinton should have been removed from office, but wasn't.
It does not follow that Trump should remain in office.
probably watching FOXSome notable posters absent this morning......
They are in other threads. Funny how that works.Some notable posters absent this morning......
Talking points not out yetSome notable posters absent this morning......
Clinton perjured himself and encouraged others to commit perjury. Also, he was a rapist. Feel free to keep defending him though.Also consorting with the enemy is orders of magnitude worse than canoodling with an intern. Maybe the severity of the obstruction might matter.
Don't tell me a minority or woman is threatening their safe space again!They are in other threads. Funny how that works.
Need to splice in some "Lock her up" chants.I hope if/when he's eventually in prison that part of his sentencing involves a continuous running clip in his cell of the No Puppet exchange with Hillary.
just woke up. Clifton's notes?Some notable posters absent this morning......
You know, same ole same ole. Huge bombshell revealing DJT is a criminal and Faux covering some elephants grazing in Rwanda.just woke up. Clifton's notes?
No, there is still no evidence that Trump campaign ‘colluded’ or ‘conspired’ with Russia to affect the election in some way. Zero.It's gone from no evidence, to everybody does it, to it's not a crime.
Rapist! BwahahahahaClinton perjured himself and encouraged others to commit perjury. Also, he was a rapist. Feel free to keep defending him though.
Do you think Trump is trying to impede or obstruct this investigation? If you do, why?No, there is still no evidence that Trump campaign ‘colluded’ or ‘conspired’ with Russia to affect the election in some way. Zero.
Even in Manafort’s case where he transferred spring 2016 polling data to Kilimnik- the only feasible instance of collusion so far, already extremely tenuous at best- Kilimnik’s “Russian intelligence ties” are unclear.
“ Manafort’s employment of Kilimnik has fueled speculation because Mueller has stated that Kilimnik has “ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016.”
Yet Mueller’s only references that Kilmnik has Kremlin “ties” came in two court filings in 2017 and 2018, and it’s not clear what Mueller meant in either case. In April 2018, Manafort’s attorneys told a Virginia judge that they have made “multiple discovery requests” seeking any contacts between Manafort and “Russian intelligence officials,” but that the special counsel informed them that “there are no materials responsive to [those] requests.” “
In this interview Kilimnik talks about his work with Manafort on the failed deal to bring Ukraine to the EU, and his work for the State Dept.-funded IRI. Kilimnik was born in Soviet-era Ukraine and attended the First Department of the Moscow Military Red-Banner Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR from ‘87-‘92. Whatever evidence there may be of his ‘Russian intelligence ties’ in 2016 is secret, and conflicts with mainstream reporting.
The point isn't to “defend Trump.” It’s that this unfounded conspiracy theory- what appears to be a total fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC- has dragged the US into the dirt for 2 years, brought back McCarthyism, and is headed toward a new arms race. It’s damaged this country’s civic wellbeing for years to come, and opened the door for technocrats/states to censor their platforms under the auspices of fighting ‘Russian disinformation’. The media has crapped on the floor of journalism in the pursuit of this clickbait.
If Mueller knows Trump is not a Russian “plant” and has let the country dabble in this conspiracy theory for 2 years, I think that’s a disgrace. It’s long past time to end this charade.
KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!No, there is still no evidence that Trump campaign ‘colluded’ or ‘conspired’ with Russia to affect the election in some way. Zero.
Even in Manafort’s case where he transferred spring 2016 polling data to Kilimnik- the only feasible instance of collusion so far, already extremely tenuous at best- Kilimnik’s “Russian intelligence ties” are unclear.
“ Manafort’s employment of Kilimnik has fueled speculation because Mueller has stated that Kilimnik has “ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016.”
Yet Mueller’s only references that Kilmnik has Kremlin “ties” came in two court filings in 2017 and 2018, and it’s not clear what Mueller meant in either case. In April 2018, Manafort’s attorneys told a Virginia judge that they have made “multiple discovery requests” seeking any contacts between Manafort and “Russian intelligence officials,” but that the special counsel informed them that “there are no materials responsive to [those] requests.” “
In this interview Kilimnik talks about his work with Manafort on the failed deal to bring Ukraine to the EU, and his work for the State Dept.-funded IRI. Kilimnik was born in Soviet-era Ukraine and attended the First Department of the Moscow Military Red-Banner Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR from ‘87-‘92. Whatever evidence there may be of his ‘Russian intelligence ties’ in 2016 is secret, and conflicts with mainstream reporting.
The point isn't to “defend Trump.” It’s that this unfounded conspiracy theory- what appears to be a total fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC- has dragged the US into the dirt for 2 years, brought back McCarthyism, and is headed toward a new arms race. It’s damaged this country’s civic wellbeing for years to come, and opened the door for technocrats/states to censor their platforms under the auspices of fighting ‘Russian disinformation’. The media has crapped on the floor of journalism in the pursuit of this clickbait.
If Mueller knows Trump is not a Russian “plant” and has let the country dabble in this conspiracy theory for 2 years, I think that’s a disgrace. It’s long past time to end this charade.
BUTTER EMAILS!!! BENGHAZI!!!!1!!! URANIUM ONE!!!!!!1!1!!!!The stories and insanity come so fast I thought it would be useful to recap the past weeks events:
- President was / is the subject of a counterintelligence probe by the FBI
- Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, gave confidential polling information to Russian intelligence agent
- Trump's gov't shutdown becomes the longest in US history is will likely have major impact on economy
- The President took the notes of his interpreter in his secret meetings with Putin...you know the one who orchestrated the hack of our elections
- Pence states ISIS is dead hours after ISIS bombs and kills 4 US citizens in Syria
- Trump implicated in coordinating Cohen's lies to congress over Trump Moscow project likely has impeachment implications
- Guiliani states that the campaign may have colluded with Russia but NOT the President
- Mueller likely investigating Nunes role in Inauguration with respect to foreign influence
- Republican's agree to reduce sanctions on Russian oligarch who was Manafort's former boss and was indebted to
- Cohen, Trump's fixer, paid cash and a boxing glove during campaign to an IT firm to try and rig the poll results in Trump's favor
- Pelosi cancels SOTU on the House floor
- Trump cancels Pelosi's trip to Afghanistan in retaliation
- Trump serves fast food hamberders to college football team
the crazy thing is I probably missed a major thing or two....quite insane and another week of solid winning for the most corrupt administration in our history...any one of these is a bigger scandal than anything in 8 years of the Obama admin...it's just insane.
You seriously believe that? Literally, every single statement in that paragraph is wrong.No, there is still no evidence that Trump campaign ‘colluded’ or ‘conspired’ with Russia to affect the election in some way. Zero.
Even in Manafort’s case where he transferred spring 2016 polling data to Kilimnik- the only feasible instance of collusion so far, already extremely tenuous at best- Kilimnik’s “Russian intelligence ties” are unclear.
“ Manafort’s employment of Kilimnik has fueled speculation because Mueller has stated that Kilimnik has “ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016.”
Yet Mueller’s only references that Kilmnik has Kremlin “ties” came in two court filings in 2017 and 2018, and it’s not clear what Mueller meant in either case. In April 2018, Manafort’s attorneys told a Virginia judge that they have made “multiple discovery requests” seeking any contacts between Manafort and “Russian intelligence officials,” but that the special counsel informed them that “there are no materials responsive to [those] requests.” “
In this interview Kilimnik talks about his work with Manafort on the failed deal to bring Ukraine to the EU, and his work for the State Dept.-funded IRI. Kilimnik was born in Soviet-era Ukraine and attended the First Department of the Moscow Military Red-Banner Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR from ‘87-‘92. Whatever evidence there may be of his ‘Russian intelligence ties’ in 2016 is secret, and conflicts with mainstream reporting.
The point isn't to “defend Trump.” It’s that this unfounded conspiracy theory- what appears to be a total fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC- has dragged the US into the dirt for 2 years, brought back McCarthyism, and is headed toward a new arms race. It’s damaged this country’s civic wellbeing for years to come, and opened the door for technocrats/states to censor their platforms under the auspices of fighting ‘Russian disinformation’. The media has crapped on the floor of journalism in the pursuit of this clickbait.
If Mueller knows Trump is not a Russian “plant” and has let the country dabble in this conspiracy theory for 2 years, I think that’s a disgrace. It’s long past time to end this charade.
RightNo, there is still no evidence that Trump campaign ‘colluded’ or ‘conspired’ with Russia to affect the election in some way. Zero.
Even in Manafort’s case where he transferred spring 2016 polling data to Kilimnik- the only feasible instance of collusion so far, already extremely tenuous at best- Kilimnik’s “Russian intelligence ties” are unclear.
“ Manafort’s employment of Kilimnik has fueled speculation because Mueller has stated that Kilimnik has “ties to a Russian intelligence service and had such ties in 2016.”
Yet Mueller’s only references that Kilmnik has Kremlin “ties” came in two court filings in 2017 and 2018, and it’s not clear what Mueller meant in either case. In April 2018, Manafort’s attorneys told a Virginia judge that they have made “multiple discovery requests” seeking any contacts between Manafort and “Russian intelligence officials,” but that the special counsel informed them that “there are no materials responsive to [those] requests.” “
In this interview Kilimnik talks about his work with Manafort on the failed deal to bring Ukraine to the EU, and his work for the State Dept.-funded IRI. Kilimnik was born in Soviet-era Ukraine and attended the First Department of the Moscow Military Red-Banner Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR from ‘87-‘92. Whatever evidence there may be of his ‘Russian intelligence ties’ in 2016 is secret, and conflicts with mainstream reporting.
The point isn't to “defend Trump.” It’s that this unfounded conspiracy theory- what appears to be a total fabrication paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC- has dragged the US into the dirt for 2 years, brought back McCarthyism, and is headed toward a new arms race. It’s damaged this country’s civic wellbeing for years to come, and opened the door for technocrats/states to censor their platforms under the auspices of fighting ‘Russian disinformation’. The media has crapped on the floor of journalism in the pursuit of this clickbait.
If Mueller knows Trump is not a Russian “plant” and has let the country dabble in this conspiracy theory for 2 years, I think that’s a disgrace. It’s long past time to end this charade.
Yes bucky. Sit back and wait for the adults to make your argument for you.Woh boy
You missed the President directed people to lie to Congress. When you add all of that up, it makes it look like the administration is flawed.The stories and insanity come so fast I thought it would be useful to recap the past weeks events:
- President was / is the subject of a counterintelligence probe by the FBI
- Manafort, Trump's campaign manager, gave confidential polling information to Russian intelligence agent essentially proving collusion between campaign and Russia
- Trump's gov't shutdown becomes the longest in US history is will likely have major impact on economy
- The President took the notes of his interpreter in his secret meetings with Putin...you know the one who orchestrated the hack of our elections
- Pence states ISIS is dead hours after ISIS bombs and kills 4 US citizens in Syria
- Trump implicated in coordinating Cohen's lies to congress over Trump Moscow project likely has impeachment implications
- Guiliani states that the campaign may have colluded with Russia but NOT the President
- Mueller likely investigating Nunes role in Inauguration with respect to foreign influence
- Republican's agree to reduce sanctions on Russian oligarch who was Manafort's former boss and was indebted to
- Cohen, Trump's fixer, paid cash and a boxing glove during campaign to an IT firm to try and rig the poll results in Trump's favor
- Pelosi cancels SOTU on the House floor
- Trump cancels Pelosi's trip to Afghanistan in retaliation
- Trump serves fast food hamberders to college football team
the crazy thing is I probably missed a major thing or two....quite insane and another week of solid winning for the most corrupt administration in our history...any one of these is a bigger scandal than anything in 8 years of the Obama admin...it's just insane.
Care to explain why?You seriously believe that? Literally, every single statement in that paragraph is wrong.
My point is that the Democrats may have set the bar pretty low. If the proof of obstruction was solid with documents in both cases I would agree that both should have been impeached.Clinton should have been removed from office, but wasn't.
It does not follow that Trump should remain in office.
Clinto was impeached (dec 19, 1998). He was, however, not removed from officeMy point is that the Democrats may have set the bar pretty low. If the proof of obstruction was solid with documents in both cases I would agree that both should have been impeached.
Narrator: He didn't tell the truth.I hope he told the truth.
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According to the NYT story last fall, one of the written questions to Trump from Mueller was, “What communication did you have with Michael D. Cohen, Felix Sater, and others, including foreign nationals, about Russian real estate developments during the campaign?”
7:45 AM - 18 Jan 2019
Why do people keep putting this caveat on everything? Is it because it was reported by BuzzFeed News?GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1 17m17 minutes ago
Schiff: "These allegations may prove unfounded, but, if true, they would constitute both the subornation of perjury as well as obstruction of justice. Our committee is already working to secure additional witness testimony and documents related to the Trump Tower Moscow deal."
He also claimed, on camera, that he personally answered all of the questions himself. So like a typical 9 year old, I'm guessing the answer was simply "none".Narrator: He didn't tell the truth.I hope he told the truth.
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According to the NYT story last fall, one of the written questions to Trump from Mueller was, “What communication did you have with Michael D. Cohen, Felix Sater, and others, including foreign nationals, about Russian real estate developments during the campaign?”
7:45 AM - 18 Jan 2019
Prudence is the right course of action here - when there are many unknowns. It does not matter where the reporting comes from - when you will be an arbiter of its veracity, you should wait to see the evidence yourself, rather than take a position sight unseen.Why do people keep putting this caveat on everything? Is it because it was reported by BuzzFeed News?
That seems silly to me. BuzzFeed News does super elite upper-tier reporting. Denigrating them because they're under the same umbrella as the people who put out dumb listicles and quizzes about which Game of Thrones character you are is like denigrating ABC News and Fox News because they're under the same umbrella as the people who put out Dancing with the Stars and The Masked Singer.
Andrea Mitchell just said twice on MSNBC that NBC has been unable to verify or independently confirm the Buzz Feed article.Why do people keep putting this caveat on everything? Is it because it was reported by BuzzFeed News?
That seems silly to me. BuzzFeed News does super elite upper-tier reporting. Denigrating them because they're under the same umbrella as the people who put out dumb listicles and quizzes about which Game of Thrones character you are is like denigrating ABC News and Fox News because they're under the same umbrella as the people who put out Dancing with the Stars and The Masked Singer.
Sure, I agree. I just feel like there's a lot more skepticism than there would be if the article had appeared in the NY Times. I don't think there should be- if anything I think the Times should be trusted less. BuzzFeed News is batting 1.000 on the Trump-Russia story all the way back to running the dossier. They even corrected the New Yorker's story about Cohen's banking records being lifted from Treasury.Prudence is the right course of action here - when there are many unknowns. It does not matter where the reporting comes from - when you will be an arbiter of its veracity, you should wait to see the evidence yourself, rather than take a position sight unseen.
The House impeached, but Clinton survived what the media called "the Senate impeachment trial". I always wonder why people like to say he was impeached when the Senate must also concur.Clinto was impeached (dec 19, 1998). He was, however, not removed from office