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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (10 Viewers)
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Then...actually using words...explain the comment about people falling for buzzfeed again? Considering the only time buzzfeed was the dossier and now this latest. Also...understand that not even the sc statement says that the report was false. You get that, right?
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I think farce is certainly the wrong word.
farce /färs/ noun
a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.
Which part of the OSC investigation fits this definition?
The dossier seemed like a farce at first blush, but it certainly looks less so now.
farce /färs/ noun
a comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations.
Which part of the OSC investigation fits this definition?
The dossier seemed like a farce at first blush, but it certainly looks less so now.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes your posting seems to be the very definition of a troll when you do this. Again...you are making claims but refuse to back them up. Nothing confusing about as I don’t believe many at all...if any have stated the man will go down for collusion. So confusion would be what I feel when you make such an accusation. Though not all that confusing given your responses.
TROLL TROLL
You are indeed smart enough to never put all your eggs in the collusion basket, but then you try to act dumb and ignorant of all those that do... it is a confusing angle, I admit.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Eh... we don't know how much the change in DOJ leadership played in giving that statement. Perhaps it wouldn't have happened under Sessions/Rosenstein
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
You have to pay the troll toll
ren hoek
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think it's ok to hold in abeyance on some stories pending confirmation - Cohen in Prague, Assange-Manafort are a couple examples. - However on the flipside I think the press has also been overly cautious at times in reporting what has actually transpired to date in the actual submissions and reports to date. Mueller's message is fine believe what you want to believe but don't act on it until you hear it from him. And it happens all the time with investigation skeptics. 'Oh Flynn was tricked into this, and Papa was cornered into that, oh gosh poor Butina, just you wait'; but what happens when they actually show in court is all that actually matters, all that wishcasting and imagineering on their behalf melts away. Same is true of Mueller supporters. Something else is going to come out of Gates, Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, Papa and the rest of the them, but it won't really happen until you see it in black & white under the signature of the OSC.
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
It's funny how the Trump guys pop up like whack-a-trolls every time the media corrects a typo, but when the actual stories get released they are nowhere to be found. If you guys had any credibility, you'd be proclaiming "NO COLLUSION!" every time Rudy accidentally admits that there was collusion.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
ren hoek
Footballguy
That was my thought as well - this sounds more like a directive from Whitaker than anything else.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
I think you might be confused. I don't see or hear any crickets. But, since the OSC made their statement, I have seen a bunch of cockroaches crawling out of the woodwork.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
FBI says it was denied access to Rybka.
- Per Julia Davis, who also says some of Rybka’s group was sent directly back to Belarus.
- Also per Davis, the arrest was filmed by press awaiting her arrival, RU didn’t care if the images got out.
- Per Julia Davis, who also says some of Rybka’s group was sent directly back to Belarus.
- Also per Davis, the arrest was filmed by press awaiting her arrival, RU didn’t care if the images got out.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
He's trying to spin the Steele Dossier but he's got his talking points all wrong.
He was supposed to say "Hillary funded", not "Hillary gave millions to".
He was supposed to say "worked with Russians", not "worked directly with the Kremlin"
He was supposed to say "gather intel on an opponent" not "spy on an opponent".
So, instead of being 'technically' true, his talking point ends up being a lie.
I guess this is what happens when you get rusty from not reciting your Trumpisms on a daily basis.
Dedfin
Footballguy
Rove!
Footballguy
Clinton subborned perjury, destroyed evidence, committed perjury, and obstructed justice but the Senate decided that those things don’t rise to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors.
Zow
Footballguy
Tim, good reporters make mistakes. I know this personally because a lot of my work gets covered in the media. A lot of it is wrong because the issues are complicated. It's nobody's fault and nothing is ill-intentioned.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If your Putin/Assad apologist, Tucker Carlson-loving hero Greenwald has to go back three years to find errors in a story whose underlying narrative was 100% accurate I’d say that’s pretty impressive, especially for a newspaper that publishes dozens of political stories a day. Pobody’s nerfect!
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Rove!
Footballguy
Not only did he nit get the boot, he continues to hold an esteemed place in the party. He campaigns for key candidates, he gets prime speaking spots at the conventions etc. I see this as continued tacit agreement that with the Senate decision.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Agreed that the Dems should not invite him to further events.
Ok, with that out of the way, what should THIS Congress do about THIS obstruction of justice and suborning of perjury?
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Threaten Baron I guess. It's what Trump does right? Threaten family members to get what he wants?
ren hoek
Footballguy
I dunno, I think it's pretty weird for American newspapers to launder anonymously-sourced spook propaganda to stigmatize dissenting viewpoints, but to each his own I guess
Rove!
Footballguy
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
People believe what they want to believe. It's even worse when journalists do it.
He got a BJ. Think about how that compares to what Trump has done. As far as a threat to our democracy. A BJ. Seriously.
Rove!
Footballguy
He sexually harassed Paula Jones and then trashed her reputation and committed felonies to undermine discovery in the ongoing legal case.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The comp for this instance are the Trump coverups of his affairs - Daniels/Clifford & McDougal. Trump’s behavior was actually worse, NDA’s, intimidation through the courts, the affairs were when his wife was pregnant and with young child. The shell LLC and the campaign finance crimes were something Clinton never did with Lewinsky.
The comp for the Russia-Trump investigation would be Alger Hiss IMO, maybe Aaron Burr as VP and post VP. There is no presidential comp for that because no president has remotely ever been accused of such behavior.
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Rove!
Footballguy
My personal view is that those do rise to the level of removal, but, I have to respect the legal precedent that has been set by previous case law defining “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's not how precedents work. You can hear this about the Edwards case vs Trump-Daniels/McDougal. Just because someone was acquitted with a different set of facts doesn't mean they stop charging people with the crime under those other different fact situations.
What case law defines "high crimes and misdemeanors"?
I'd like to see what the Justices have to say about it.
By "move on", you mean, "invent something else" of which to accuse Trump and start reporting that.
Got it
sho nuff
Footballguy
Nothing was invented to accuse him of.By "move on", you mean, "invent something else" of which to accuse Trump and start reporting that.
Got it
Henry Ford
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I've been traveling so not up to date on the news but I wanted to come back to this. I understand (and somewhat share) your frustration but I still maintain that we don't need some large conspiracy or criminality. I think this can be explained by a combination of incompetence, the desire to stay in power at all cost and the belief that the ends justify the means (see SC justices).
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yet another madcap filibustering interview from Giuliani on CNN this am, I'm sure the takeaway will be Giuliani saying that it's ok to threaten prosecution of a family member to intimidate a witness.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Giuliani talked over Tapper KAC style the whole time, maybe allowed 4-5 questions. About whether Trump & Cohen talked, he started out by saying that that was before he was Trump’s lawyer so...
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Despite the OSC statement, I think this suborning perjury thing is far from over.
Something tells me if it is true with Cohen, it'll be true with others as well in their testimony to Congress or the FBI.
Something tells me if it is true with Cohen, it'll be true with others as well in their testimony to Congress or the FBI.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I don't think BF is lying per se. More likely (if the story really is 100% false) they were duped.
