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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (8 Viewers)

That seems silly

Putinnwould never talk to Mueller, but in Assange’s case, anybody can walk into the Ecuadorian embassy at any time.  Journalists, lawyers on other matters, even Pamela Anderson have just waltzed right in and talked to him...but not Mueller?

weird
Well, we already know Mueller is happy to regurgitate whatever spooks tell him.  The FBI/Crowdstrike had already set him up to ignore the Russian hacking allegations.  He didn't have to conduct a real investigation; Assange would have been the key witness. 

They already gave him his man- he just had to find the russia collusion (he didn't).  You could tell the investigation had jumped the shark when they interviewed Jerome Corsi.  

 
Yes.  So?
Hard to credibly suggest they are aligned against the US when they're letting US interrogators in to grill their own diplomats.

Or that US investigators can't go to London to interview people in the Ecuadorean embassy, when they literally did just that.  

 
Hard to credibly suggest they are aligned against the US when they're letting US interrogators in to grill their own diplomats.

Or that US investigators can't go to London to interview people in the Ecuadorean embassy, when they literally did just that.  
1. Why?

2. They did it because Ecuador and the people involved who would be interviewed agreed to it.  Not because the investigators had some authority to make them.

 
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1098970692501028871

New:

New York state prosecutors have put together a criminal case against Paul Manafort that they could file quickly if Trump pardons him, Bloomberg reports.

New York County DA Cy Vance is ready to file an array of tax and other charges against Manafort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/new-york-is-said-to-prep-manafort-charges-if-trump-pardons-him
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1098977034276167690

Sources tell Bloomberg the criminal case against Manafort is seen as an insurance policy should Trump exercise his pardon power.

Skirting laws that protect defendants from being charged twice for the same offense has been one of Vance's challenges.

 
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1098970692501028871

New:

New York state prosecutors have put together a criminal case against Paul Manafort that they could file quickly if Trump pardons him, Bloomberg reports.

New York County DA Cy Vance is ready to file an array of tax and other charges against Manafort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/new-york-is-said-to-prep-manafort-charges-if-trump-pardons-him
Hopefully more quickly than the time needed for Manafort to purchase a seat on the next one way flight to Moscow.

 
What about the tax evasion, money laundering, campaign fund violations, and obstruction of Justice?   Those laws don't count? 
Of course not. Because Hillary is the real criminal and these are just process (ie not real, ie everyone does it, ie not important) crimes if they even happened. 

 
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1098970692501028871

New:

New York state prosecutors have put together a criminal case against Paul Manafort that they could file quickly if Trump pardons him, Bloomberg reports.

New York County DA Cy Vance is ready to file an array of tax and other charges against Manafort.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-22/new-york-is-said-to-prep-manafort-charges-if-trump-pardons-him
The likelihood that former Trump campaign chairman and convicted felon Paul Manafort, 69, will spend the rest of his days in prison increased on Friday, as it was revealed that New York prosecutors have built a criminal case against him in the event that the president attempts to grant him a pardon for federal crimes.

Any possible reliance that Manafort may have had on Trump’s pardon power lost relevance as Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. reportedly has a criminal case at the ready.
- Snookered.

 
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It's like some sort of race to the courthouse with Manafort. Bet on Trump's pardon and then his further thumbing down the DOJ or making a deal with the OSC. It's too late for a (second) deal now, PM is totally untrustable. He's basically just stuck. I'll move fear of Russian hit on him or his over promise of a pardon at this point, but maybe he's just all criminal, some people are, they're hard core criminals just like your standard urban gangster heading to Angola or Joliet or whatever, it's just these guys worked for international tyrants who run/ran armies and secret police.

 
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Even from a nefarious, devious standpoint Trump must be playing whackamole with obstruction right now. Barr, Whitaker, FBID Wray, SDNY USA, DC USA, EDVA USA, Manhattan DA.... LOL, 'hired ex-CIA guys to break into DNC HQ and then fired top DOJ to suppress investigation of that' seems like a Tuesday for Trump right now.

 
That seems silly

Putinnwould never talk to Mueller, but in Assange’s case, anybody can walk into the Ecuadorian embassy at any time.  Journalists, lawyers on other matters, even Pamela Anderson have just waltzed right in and talked to him...but not Mueller?

weird
I can think of a couple of reasons that Assange would be more willing to meet with Pamela Anderson than with Mueller.

 
So Paul Manafort sharing polling data with Russia, that wasn't proof of collusion?
You would think that a candidate's campaign manager sharing polling data with a hostile nation would be enough but it's dark times in which we live. 
A hostile nation that the FBI warned them might be trying to infiltrate the campaign.  Instead, they're lying to the FBI and cooperating with the hostile nation.

 
A hostile nation that the FBI warned them might be trying to infiltrate the campaign.  Instead, they're lying to the FBI and cooperating with the hostile nation.
Yes, unreal that we still have trump supporters at this point.  That propaganda machine the right employs sure does the job on 30% of the country.  Also, why cant they see this stuff?  It's happening right in front of their ####### faces and they deny it.  :loco:

 
Yes, unreal that we still have trump supporters at this point.  That propaganda machine the right employs sure does the job on 30% of the country.  Also, why cant they see this stuff?  It's happening right in front of their ####### faces and they deny it.  :loco:
They’re owning liberal snowflakes and that's all that matters. This evens the score for the war on Christmas and gay marriage. 

 
Yes, unreal that we still have trump supporters at this point.  That propaganda machine the right employs sure does the job on 30% of the country.  Also, why cant they see this stuff?  It's happening right in front of their ####### faces and they deny it.  :loco:
So many people so happy to vote against their interests.

 
1. Why?

2. They did it because Ecuador and the people involved who would be interviewed agreed to it.  Not because the investigators had some authority to make them.
1. Because an adversarial nation wouldn't let US interrogators do that.  

2. They would agree to let the US interview Assange.  From there it'd be up to Assange whether to agree to it.  He already had a deal with the DOJ to assist with Vault7 redactions and offered to assist in Russia investigation as well.  Then Comey shut it down.  Wikileaks has stated that the SCO never once reached out to anyone from their organization.  There has never been any apparent attempt by the SCO to interview him.  

@ren hoek, it's hard to call two nations that have expelled each other's diplomats aligned with one another.
Ecuador expelled US diplomats?  Are you referring to 2009/11?  Moreno hates Assange.  If it weren't for international pressure to obey his own Constitution and international law, he'd probably have turned him over to the US a long time ago. 

They just let US forces in to interview Ecuadorean embassy officials about Assange.  That's about as cooperative and subservient as it gets.  If the SCO actually wanted to interview him and conduct a real investigation, they almost certainly had the wherewithal and leverage to do so.  

 
1. Because an adversarial nation wouldn't let US interrogators do that.  

2. They would agree to let the US interview Assange.  From there it'd be up to Assange whether to agree to it.  He already had a deal with the DOJ to assist with Vault7 redactions and offered to assist in Russia investigation as well.  Then Comey shut it down.  Wikileaks has stated that the SCO never once reached out to anyone from their organization.  There has never been any apparent attempt by the SCO to interview him.  

Ecuador expelled US diplomats?  Are you referring to 2009/11?  Moreno hates Assange.  If it weren't for international pressure to obey his own Constitution and international law, he'd probably have turned him over to the US a long time ago. 

They just let US forces in to interview Ecuadorean embassy officials about Assange.  That's about as cooperative and subservient as it gets.  If the SCO actually wanted to interview him and conduct a real investigation, they almost certainly had the wherewithal and leverage to do so.  
I don't believe that's accurate.

 
Mueller still :fishing:  for any case to make
He has already made several cases.  No fishing needed.
Robert Mueller is superb choice to be special counsel. His reputation is impeccable for honesty and integrity. Media should now calm down - Newt Gingrich, May 17, 2017

“(Mueller) has sterling credentials and is above reproach,” -Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

“(Mueller) will serve with integrity and professionalism, and will conduct a thorough and fair investigation.” - Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.)

“He’s a well-respected law enforcement professional,” -John Cornyn (R-Texas)

“I see it as a positive thing, especially having Bob Mueller involved. It brings a lot of public credibility to whatever process they go through.” - Richard Burr (R-N.C.)

"Mueller is a great selection. Impeccable credentials. Should be widely accepted." - Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah

"(Mueller is) a well respected and trusted veteran of the FBI" and said "this special counsel appointment is a step in the right direction on getting answers on the many questions we have with Russian meddling in our election and our democracy." - Rep Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill.

"The issue of Russian meddling in our election must be investigated fully & former FBI dir. Mueller is well qualified to oversee this probe." -  Sen. Rob Portman (- Ohio)

 
Why would he want polling data? What’s a good, legit reason for him wanting it?
He didn't.  Manafort sent him to transfer the data to Ukrainians from the same party he'd done lobbying/consultant work for.  Most of it was publicly available but some of it was private polling data.  One reason I've seen mentioned is that it was about demonstrating value from his work on the Trump campaign in order to collect on money owed from his work with Yanukovych- revenue that dried up once Yanukovych left town.  

I'm not sure what we think Russians were supposed to have done with Spring 2016 polling data.... where to target their Yosemite Sam memes 6 months later? 

 
He didn't.  Manafort sent him to transfer the data to Ukrainians from the same party he'd done lobbying/consultant work for.  Most of it was publicly available but some of it was private polling data.  One reason I've seen mentioned is that it was about demonstrating value from his work on the Trump campaign in order to collect on money owed from his work with Yanukovych- revenue that dried up once Yanukovych left town.  

I'm not sure what we think Russians were supposed to have done with Spring 2016 polling data.... where to target their Yosemite Sam memes 6 months later? 
It's a little weird that you take his statements at face value.

 
He didn't.  Manafort sent him to transfer the data to Ukrainians from the same party he'd done lobbying/consultant work for.  Most of it was publicly available but some of it was private polling data.  One reason I've seen mentioned is that it was about demonstrating value from his work on the Trump campaign in order to collect on money owed from his work with Yanukovych- revenue that dried up once Yanukovych left town.  

I'm not sure what we think Russians were supposed to have done with Spring 2016 polling data.... where to target their Yosemite Sam memes 6 months later? 
And why would Manaforts role in the Trump campaign be a way of paying them back?

 

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