Insomniac
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I don't think you should call them fools, "Enemies of the People" seems more appropriate.
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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (11 Viewers)
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SaintsInDome2006
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Bucky86 said:
- Buzzfeed.
- Cohen.
I thought this was an interesting discussion about trade. Trump is told by our trade rep that yeah MOU's are contracts between countries. Trump says nope, no they're not. Lighthizer just says ok we're not going to use the term MOU anymore. Happened in real time.
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ren hoek
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Henry Ford
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Sconch
Footballguy
Oh so now testimony of a witness is considered evidence? Like in a court and stuff? Since when? Seems shaky.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Huh. That person should familiarize himself with the exclusions and exceptions to the definition of hearsay.
-fish-
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eurotrashman
Footballguy
That judge is no-nonsense. I'm sure she isn't going to be thrilled with him thinking he can bypass her gag order by simply sending his statements to someone else to tweet. Would love to see him thrown in jail just for thinking he's clever.
ren hoek
Footballguy
I had read through Cohen’s statement to that effect.
https://imgur.com/a/sFCleeD
Looking at the DNC schedule around that time, “days before the Democratic convention,” Stone announced a pending Wikileaks publication after talking to his pal Julian Assange.
Gee. Days before the Democratic convention... could that have possibly been July 22nd, when Wikileaks tweeted to the whole world that they had forthcoming DNC leaks pertaining to Hillary Clinton?
Watching the testimony as I wrote this, Cohen says he thought it was July 18th/19th. But the damaging information on Clinton that was to come had already been public knowledge since June of 16.
Basically, Roger Stone told Trump something in late July 16 that had already been public knowledge since June of 2016. WOW!!!
Looking forward to hearing more about this personal phone call, I bet it’s a real thing that actually happened.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Sorry, I missed the part where the June 12 article disclosed that within a short period from July 19 there would be a release of those emails. Can you point it out?I had read through Cohen’s statement to that effect.
https://imgur.com/a/sFCleeD
Looking at the DNC schedule around that time, “days before the Democratic convention,” Stone announced a pending Wikileaks publication after talking to his pal Julian Assange.
Gee. Days before the Democratic convention... could that have possibly been July 22nd, when Wikileaks tweeted to the whole world that they had forthcoming DNC leaks pertaining to Hillary Clinton?
Watching the testimony as I wrote this, Cohen says he thought it was July 18th/19th. But the damaging information on Clinton that was to come had already been public knowledge since June of 16.
Basically, Roger Stone told Trump something in late July 16 that had already been public knowledge since June of 2016. WOW!!!
Looking forward to hearing more about this personal phone call, I bet it’s a real thing that actually happened.
From your article: "Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has said his organisation is preparing to publish more emails Hillary Clinton sent and received while US secretary of state."
The July 22 leaks:
"As Hillary Clinton prepared to announce her 2016 running mate, a trove of nearly 20,000 emails were released by WikiLeaks on Friday, providing an embarrassing inside look at Democratic Party operations on the eve of the Democrats' national convention.
The emails from the Democratic National Committee include discussions of Clinton's chief rival for the presidential nomination, Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-Vt.); details of perks provided to party donors attending the convention; and email exchanges between party officials, journalists and others.+
ren hoek
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1100820252450082818
STATEMENT on Michael Cohen testimony to Congress: WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange has never had a telephone call with Roger Stone. WikiLeaks publicly teased its pending publications on Hillary Clinton and published > 30k of her emails on 16 March 2016.
STATEMENT on Michael Cohen testimony to Congress: WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange has never had a telephone call with Roger Stone. WikiLeaks publicly teased its pending publications on Hillary Clinton and published > 30k of her emails on 16 March 2016.
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Texts, emails, Facebook exchanges, direct Tweets, faxes, Skype calls, Facetime, AOL Messenger, IRC network chat.......nope, no phone calls.
ren hoek
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is self-serving, but I do think it’s possible that Assange was puffing or shading and really got the info from Farage, Guccifur 2.0 or someone else with direct contact.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
Well, if the whole world knows Bin Laden is going to attack America but one guy called his buddy on September 9, 2001 and told him that Bin Laden told him there was an imminent attack in New York and D.C. in a few days, I'd say I'd like to talk to the guy who had specific information because it sounds like he's been in contact.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I find your points spirited, but you have to at least understand the theory of the case. Coordination/conspiracy/collusion necessarily means contacts with Kremlin/GRU/FSB/oligarch, or WL/Assange, or both.
Henry Ford
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apalmer
Footballguy
Assange's secretary, assistant, clerk...nope, no Assange.Texts, emails, Facebook exchanges, direct Tweets, faxes, Skype calls, Facetime, AOL Messenger, IRC network chat.......nope, no phone calls.
-fish-
Footballguy
His repeated DUI's should have prevented him from being admitted in the first place. Even if he wasn't convicted, there's no way he should have passed a moral character exam.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Also, Stone was on the phone with Trump, not Assange.Texts, emails, Facebook exchanges, direct Tweets, faxes, Skype calls, Facetime, AOL Messenger, IRC network chat.......nope, no phone calls.
Sconch
Footballguy
When Stone was on the phone with Trump, he said, "I just got off the phone with Assange." Or something along those lines, if I recall Cohen's testimony correctly.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
>>Roger Stone said to Trump, Cohen says: "Mr. Trump, I just want to let you know I just got off the phone with Julian Assange, and in a couple days there's going to be a massive dump of emails that is going to severely hurt the Clinton campaign."<<
- Dale.
Yep you’re right. My point is just that Cohen actually witnessed the call between Trump and Stone.
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Did he use a lawyer to conceal payments (and avoid FEC scrutiny) to a foreign agent who then worked directly with Kremlin spies to put together a dossier in order to influence a US election?
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I haven't heard of any evidence in support of that specific allegation against Trump. So as far as I know, he didn't. Care to chime in about all the crimes and improprieties Trump's perpetrated that there is evidence of?
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SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
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sho nuff
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes it was a rough day for those who think this is all some deep state conspiracy against Trump.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1 1m1 minute ago
Elijah Cummings, asked if he believes Trump has committed a crime in office, says that based on what he has seen, "It appears that he did." Cummings says he wants to go back and review the transcript.
If this was a rough day, imagine when the impeachment news comes down.
In other news, Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled against Roger Stone on his motion about CNN being tipped off, and that the Special Counsel was in contempt of court for disclosing the indictment before it was unsealed
Its really odd that the GOP did not spend more time developing this, instead of everyone lining up a pointing out that Cohen lied to Congress.
Either they are really bad at their job, or they figured this was a losing argument. Neither scenario paints a pretty picture of the GOP
sho nuff
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Amused to Death
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ren hoek
Footballguy
I would too, if it were a criminal act of terrorism that killed thousands of people. It's doubtful I would apply the same scrutiny to a publisher that leaked emails and didn't commit a crime at all.
Looks like one of our conservative trolls got banned again. Maybe Noonan for circumventing the language filter for a juvenile insult?
eh?
If Assange never committed a crime - why is he holed up in the Ecuadoran embassy?
joffer
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ren hoek
Footballguy
Because the UK refuses to confirm/deny whether there’s an extradition warrant for Assange’s arrest.
But, I was referring to the 2016 leaks specifically.
Sheriff Bart
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SaintsInDome2006
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
The gag order allows him to proclaim his innocence. I think this would fall into that category (but this is a problem with gag orders, they tend to be vague).
