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The Trump Years- Every day something more shocking than the last! (16 Viewers)

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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
So that whole, "I bet you wimps would never challenge big, bad Donald physically" stuff got me thinking last night.

I sincerely believe that I could defeat an entire gauntlet of all living Presidents in one night, Diggstown style.  I've given this a lot of thought.

I'd start out with a handicap match between me and a team of Carter and Bush 41.  I know this still seems easy, but I'm cognizant of the fact that Bush 41: 1) was once a war hero; 2) was probably the architect of Iran/Contra, so is probably crafty and devious; and 3) is married to who is largely considered to be the meanest of the First Ladies (I envision First Ladies being allowed ringside, but not Veeps).  So I think I'd have to just knock him out of his wheelchair and go for the immediate pin.  I figure Carter would be slow to intervene, but even if he entered the fray, I could probably take a few shots while getting the cover on Bush Sr.  Then I'd offer to allow Carter to take the honorable loss by getting counted out and going to build houses.  As he exited the ring, however, I'd grab him from behind and hit him a Samoan Drop.  Because I want to establish my heel bona fides immediately.

I think I'd take Trump mano a mano in the next bout.  Let's assume he really is 6'3" and 239 lbs.  With that gut, he'd have to have the muscle tone of a jellyfish.  I'd just go for a double-leg takedown and immediately transition to the Boston Crab.  If do right, no Trump can defend.

Clinton is next.  He's had open heart surgery and I must have 75 pounds on him.  But he's the ultimate survivor.  I think I'd need a contingency plan.  Which is why it will be so sweet when Hillary turns on him and beans him with a steel chair before removing the jacket of her pantsuit to reveal a tee shirt with my image on it.  

OK, so now is when the tough matches start.  I guess I'd start with W because everyone loves a heel vs. heel battle.  It's not self-evident to me that I could go toe to toe with The Decider, but I think I could probably outwit him.  Say, "Look, it's the weapons of mass destruction!" before cheap shotting him.  I also figure if I can keep it going 5 or 10 minutes, he'd probably grow bored and lose interest.  I win a tough matchup.

Leaving me with Barry O.  On the bright side, at least it's not Michelle, who I'd definitely favor over me.  My key advantage here is that Obama would never cheat and I totally would.  Like, I'd offer to meet to discuss bi-partisan healthcare reform, and then I'd throw salt in his eyes and kick him in the Baracks.  I think he'd keep fighting back on the power of the hopes of the little Obama-maniacs, but when we brawled into the crowd a group of midwestern white dudes with serious economic anxieties would help me turn the tide.  
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This might be my favorite post in the history of this forum. Its either this or the one about the guy calling doctors of high school athletes, because it=info and had no expiration date. Its 1-2 in some order.

 
knowledge dropper said:
I don’t buy it just like I don’t buy the crap many of you throw around about Trump.  Just trying to put in some context.  For instance, Comet Pizza is ridiculous but Trump assaulting dozens of women is factual to many of you. 
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Well, pizzagate was based on the claim (from anonymous people on 4chan, mind you) that "cheese pizza" really meant "child porn." 

Trump's assaults are backed up by corroborating accounts from people who know the victims, from his ex-wife's own testimony (she only retracted calling it rape, not the content of what happened), and from his own mouth. 

Slightly different quality of sources, I'd say.

 
Well said by Hayes in my opinion and a strong indication of how depraved the Republican party has become.

Chris Hayes‏Verified account @chrislhayes 38m38 minutes ago

BTW, the answer to the question "Why hasn't GOP funded CHIP" is now clear: They were always using it as a hostage/bargaining chip. They appear to view children's healthcare not as a good policy, but as a thing the other side wants that they will use to extract value.

 
packersfan said:
Well said by Hayes in my opinion and a strong indication of how depraved the Republican party has become.

Chris Hayes‏Verified account @chrislhayes 38m38 minutes ago

BTW, the answer to the question "Why hasn't GOP funded CHIP" is now clear: They were always using it as a hostage/bargaining chip. They appear to view children's healthcare not as a good policy, but as a thing the other side wants that they will use to extract value.
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Chances that Trump knows that CHIP is children's health insurance instead of the White House vending machine contract?

 
Slapdash said:
Chances that Trump knows that CHIP is children's health insurance instead of the White House vending machine contract?
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0%

But the core Republicans know what it is and their attitude is sickening. There are some things that should just be an easy bipartisan agreement, like the health of our children. But nope, not for the GOP. Gotta make sure they stick it to the Dems in some way. They are a cold, heartless, cruel lot.

 
packersfan said:
Oh, it never ceases to amaze me the incredible amount of insanity people believe about Obama.
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I know, right.  Like the fact that he was really an alien plant designed to begin tearing us apart socially so that we are weakened for the coming invasion isn't enough to hate the guy, people have to go around arguing about birth certificates from Kenya.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
I know, right.  Like the fact that he was really an alien plant designed to begin tearing us apart socially so that we are weakened for the coming invasion isn't enough to hate the guy, people have to go around arguing about birth certificates from Kenya.
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The alien stuff is true.

 
I'm getting a growing impression that there are many in the GOP in congress today that have a greater loyalty to their ideology than their country.  They believe more in their platforms than the do in the platform of America, and they seem willing to sell out American values and subvert the normal rule of law in order to achieve their ideological views.

This makes them revolutionaries/rebels in some way.

 
adonis said:
I'm getting a growing impression that there are many in the GOP in congress today that have a greater loyalty to their ideology than their country.
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It's been going on for well over a decade and when they nominated Trump they locked and loaded that way of thinking and behaving.

 
packersfan said:
It's been going on for well over a decade and when they nominated Trump they locked and loaded that way of thinking and behaving.
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Agreed, but previously they had opposition in power as a check.  Now they don't, and we're seeing the true depravity and absence of american values.  I'm looking at you Nunes, Cotton, Trump, Grassley, Ryan, Freedom Caucus etc.

 
adonis said:
Agreed, but previously they had opposition in power as a check.  Now they don't, and we're seeing the true depravity and absence of american values.  I'm looking at you Nunes, Cotton, Trump, Grassley, Ryan, Freedom Caucus etc.
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The most prominent change I first detected occurred during the Clinton years. That's not to say all was peachy before that but I think there was a significant change that occurred at that time. It sank even lower during the Obama years and hit rock bottom when they nominated Trump. Party over country is real and there's damage being done. 

 
packersfan said:
The most prominent change I first detected occurred during the Clinton years. That's not to say all was peachy before that but I think there was a significant change that occurred at that time. It sank even lower during the Obama years and hit rock bottom when they nominated Trump. Party over country is real and there's damage being done. 
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Currently, the GOP in congress isn't willing to write legislation they don't think the president will pass.  Do they not understand how this works?

 
adonis said:
Currently, the GOP in congress isn't willing to write legislation they don't think the president will pass.  Do they not understand how this works?
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They understand...I’m waiting to see the turn.  How many more elections/special elections turning back to democrats will it take before they realize Trump is the sinking ship?

 
sho nuff said:
They understand...I’m waiting to see the turn.  How many more elections/special elections turning back to democrats will it take before they realize Trump is the sinking ship?
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They're willing to ride the ship down so long as they can rack up as many ideological wins at the expense of the system as possible, before their time runs out.  Deposit that in the Brohan Bank.

They're like the guy who saw a mistake that gave him 1 million dollars in his account, and instead of reporting it, he withdrew it all, and spent it all quickly.  He's going to pay for it, but he had a blast while it lasted.

 
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adonis said:
Currently, the GOP in congress isn't willing to write legislation they don't think the president will pass.  Do they not understand how this works?
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I'm not understanding this question?  When the same party controls the Congress and the President, they always work together on legislation and it is very rare (I can't think of any off the top of my head) where the Congress will pass a law they know their own party's President won't sign as the political embarrassment would be extremely problematic.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
adonis said:
Currently, the GOP in congress isn't willing to write legislation they don't think the president will pass.  Do they not understand how this works?
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I'm not understanding this question?  When the same party controls the Congress and the President, they always work together on legislation and it is very rare (I can't think of any off the top of my head) where the Congress will pass a law they know their own party's President won't sign as the political embarrassment would be extremely problematic.
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I think they've lost sight of their co-equal status with the president, as in almost every interaction over the past year they have carried his water at every turn, including regarding investigations into possible criminal activity by him and/or his campaign.  That's not how our system was designed to work.  

Similarly, our country faces real challenges right now and it requires congressional action to resolve, or at least kick the can down the road another few months.  Congress could easily work within itself to find a solution that would involve both parties, giving a filibuster-proof majority to fixing problems.  But instead, they focus narrowly on their own party, and even more narrowly, on specifically what the POTUS, a man whose ideology is highly suspect at best, wants to do.

There are bargains out there to strike, but they're unwilling to do work as a united body to get things done, and instead are working essentially as a gerrymandered congress where only half of the country's representatives are consulted for legislative decisions.  That's not what was intended.

 
I don't think the Republican party has lost sight of anything. I think it is openly rejecting the ways our country has operated. It is waging an open war on the idea of a bigpartisan government that works for all the people in the country. It has very much become the party of Trump. He is a fitting leader for their new ideology.  

 
Slapdash said:
Chances that Trump knows that CHIP is children's health insurance instead of the White House vending machine contract?
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I think he's just agreeing to it because he wants to meet Erik Estrada

Edit: Oh crap!  Sorry Finn.  I got all excited and didn't read the subsequent posts.  

 
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adonis said:
I think they've lost sight of their co-equal status with the president, as in almost every interaction over the past year they have carried his water at every turn, including regarding investigations into possible criminal activity by him and/or his campaign.  That's not how our system was designed to work.  

Similarly, our country faces real challenges right now and it requires congressional action to resolve, or at least kick the can down the road another few months.  Congress could easily work within itself to find a solution that would involve both parties, giving a filibuster-proof majority to fixing problems.  But instead, they focus narrowly on their own party, and even more narrowly, on specifically what the POTUS, a man whose ideology is highly suspect at best, wants to do.

There are bargains out there to strike, but they're unwilling to do work as a united body to get things done, and instead are working essentially as a gerrymandered congress where only half of the country's representatives are consulted for legislative decisions.  That's not what was intended.
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I know "what was intended."  This is a rather useless argument in the grand scheme.  There is plenty to hit the GOP on without this, because it's not a good argument.   This is how our system works and how it has worked for some time.  It's also myopic in a way - I don't recall you demanding Obama get enough GOP support for legislation to make anything he signed filibuster proof (and I think you meant veto proof as well).  It wasn't an argument for Bush or Clinton either.

Or any of the other Presidents.  Yes the party in power is working together, and you feel to the detriment of everything that is good and holy.

Welcome to politics.  This isn't a new argument, it just different words for the same thing.  The GOP sucks.  And they do.  This GOP sucks.  No argument from me and I've been hitting them since this joke of President was a joke of a candidate.  

 
Yankee23Fan said:
I know "what was intended."  This is a rather useless argument in the grand scheme.  There is plenty to hit the GOP on without this, because it's not a good argument.   This is how our system works and how it has worked for some time.  It's also myopic in a way - I don't recall you demanding Obama get enough GOP support for legislation to make anything he signed filibuster proof (and I think you meant veto proof as well).  It wasn't an argument for Bush or Clinton either.

Or any of the other Presidents.  Yes the party in power is working together, and you feel to the detriment of everything that is good and holy.

Welcome to politics.  This isn't a new argument, it just different words for the same thing.  The GOP sucks.  And they do.  This GOP sucks.  No argument from me and I've been hitting them since this joke of President was a joke of a candidate.  
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Yeah, meant veto-proof  :wall: .

I think that Obama, for some time, attempted to work with Republicans to make some of the legislation bipartisan.  There were attempts to include republicans, which were largely rebuffed by republicans who stuck together as one unit and refused to work on things like the ACA, despite numerous opportunities.

I think the country needs to go back toward a spirit of working with the other side rather than everyone going to their corner.  This includes congress, as well as districts across the country.  When solutions are reached without buy-in from the other side, the next set of elections will simply undo what was done and we end up just in a tug of war democracy rather than one that actually solves problems and moves us forward.

It's been like this for a while, imo the republicans are more guilty of this than the democrats even though dems aren't without blame.  It happens at local levels due to gerrymandering.

I'm just sick of it all...the dysfunction, and how the GOP in congress isn't doing their job as a check on the power of the presidency.  It's incredibly dangerous and it enables Trump to continue to do the kind of things he's doing that are bad for our country.

And it's not so much that the party in power is working together...if that's all they were doing, i'd sit back and grumble that they're just making bad policy.  But what they're doing is undermining our system at multiple levels.  GOP representatives running interference for Trump in the Russia investigation, doing things that seem fairly clearly obstruction of justice (looking at you nunes).  Folks being willing to lie about things Trump has said in an attempt to cover for him (cotton/grassley/many others pertaining to Russia).  Not acting more forcefully to ensure our country is protected against Russian threats to our elections in 2018 or beyond?

It seems like they're willing to sacrifice structural elements of our country in order to achieve short-term political victories.  That's a dangerous position to put our country in, imo.

 
knowledge dropper said:
Obama reportedly trolling for male prostitutes and coke.  
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knowledge dropper said:
Well the other part of the story was Obama’s boyfriend was mysteriously murdered before the 2008 primaries.   
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knowledge dropper said:
I don’t buy it just like I don’t buy the crap many of you throw around about Trump.  Just trying to put in some context.  For instance, Comet Pizza is ridiculous but Trump assaulting dozens of women is factual to many of you. 
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:thumbup:  Atta boy.  Go big or go home.

 
packersfan said:
It's interesting how some people don't just think Obama and the Clintons are bad people but murderers too. 
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Not enough to be wrong, but you have to be criminal these days.

It gives me some hesitation to say that because I realize that I believe Trump is criminal...but of course, I feel justified in that opinion (but then again, I would...wouldn't I?)

:)

 
McJose said:
You would think that would be a selling point for people like that.
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People like "that" is my mother-in-law.  It's not a selling point for her because, instead, she needs a firm reason to justify why she irrationally hates Hillary and wants a guy like Trump who is (arguably) going to lower taxes and help the retirement account.

 
Zow said:
People like "that" is my mother-in-law.  It's not a selling point for her because, instead, she needs a firm reason to justify why she irrationally hates Hillary and wants a guy like Trump who is (arguably) going to lower taxes and help the retirement account.
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There should be saner ways to do it than insisting the other candidate is literally a killer.

Jesus. 

 
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