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32 minutes ago, Mr. Know-It-All said:

A thought that has occurred to me in the last two weeks, during the election all the polls skewed heavily to Clinton and Trump won. This was largely in part to bad polling data where people who were voting trump didn't own it when talking to pollsters.  Now, post-election I am seeing an outpouring of protests against Trump and very little if any support of his decisions/policies.  Where is his base?  Did they evaporate or is this another case of his supporters not owning up to their support?

First, I think the "bad polling" thing is a bit of an urban legend. Most of the polls were correct or within the margin of error (Wisconsin and Michigan excepted). There's probably an element of truth to the "shy Trump supporter" theory, but I think there's also an element of truth to the "lazy Clinton supporter" theory.

As for Trump's base, they're not hiding at all. He's enjoying an 84% approval rating among registered Republicans. The problem is that Republicans only make up 27% of the voting population.

 

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I won't know for a while, but my final chemo treatment was a week and a half ago, the side effects are subsiding, and I feel better than I have in a long time. Thanks for asking.

So that whole, "I bet you wimps would never challenge big, bad Donald physically" stuff got me thinking last night. I sincerely believe that I could defeat an entire gauntlet of all living Presid

You kidding?  For those on the right, the past 8 years the supporters have been focused almost totally on how much the democrats were the enemy.  It was on fox news, on talk radio, on the breitbart an

1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

I'll say that's a reasonable case summary.

Thanks.

Btw this just gives weight to Yates. I don't doubt she's a partisan, a lot of people in bureaucracy are, she's given money toe Dems, etc., however the point about not arguing without a good basis in reason or law rang true to me.

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I know probably half the posters on this forum are in this thread.  Allow me to make a small plug for my NEW contest in the shark pool.  QB Roulette 2017.   Deadline for entries is March 1st.  Most of you are bored with this thread by now anyway, just admit it.

 

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9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

MCS, pomade can be used for good.... or evil...

Dapper Dan is the sign of a distinguished, edified gentleman, however.

Forgot to add:

I'm down with all the labels I've acquired and shall acquire, but in my mind MoCS is a better descriptor, as it more accurately mimics my mocking nature...for better or worse. :D;) 

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Jim Roberts @nycjim 24m24 minutes ago

White House now says Trump's remark about sending in troops to Mexico was lighthearted. #jokesaboutinvasion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-leaks-idUSKBN15I321

Jim Roberts @nycjim 17m17 minutes ago

This is hard to swallow after Trump bragged on Thursday about talking tough to other countries.

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1 hour ago, Reg Lllama of Brixton said:

Oh and not sure how many of you have read "American Psycho" but do you know who Patrick Bateman's hero was?

 

Hint: It rhymes with Ronald Crump

Lord Dampnut?

Dammit, that doesn't rhyme

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5 minutes ago, squistion said:

Jim Roberts @nycjim 24m24 minutes ago

White House now says Trump's remark about sending in troops to Mexico was lighthearted. #jokesaboutinvasion.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-leaks-idUSKBN15I321

Jim Roberts @nycjim 17m17 minutes ago

This is hard to swallow after Trump bragged on Thursday about talking tough to other countries.

Well duh, who couldn't see that DJT was such a lighthearted being?

The blind stumble aimlessly in their pursuit of this paragon. :(

 

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1 hour ago, Da Guru said:

Just walked the dogs 4 miles in the cold crisp air with a light dusting of snow...got home poured a makers on the rocks and instead of getting fired up watching cable news I am watching Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds relaxing with my wife and enjoying a nice night...I suggest you do the same gents. Tippy Hedron was not bad in her heyday!

Way dated, this is more fun!

(I've been binge watching The Man in the High Castle" tonight)

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1 hour ago, Mr. Know-It-All said:

A thought that has occurred to me in the last two weeks, during the election all the polls skewed heavily to Clinton and Trump won. This was largely in part to bad polling data where people who were voting trump didn't own it when talking to pollsters.  Now, post-election I am seeing an outpouring of protests against Trump and very little if any support of his decisions/policies.  Where is his base?  Did they evaporate or is this another case of his supporters not owning up to their support?  

The supporters spent 8 yrs being told they were the enemy.  They've won. They'll sit back and watch the left continue to melt down

You kidding?  For those on the right, the past 8 years the supporters have been focused almost totally on how much the democrats were the enemy.  It was on fox news, on talk radio, on the breitbart and other websites.  The far right, and much of the right in general, for the past 8+ years, has been almost purely anti-liberal, anti-obama.  The tea party made their agenda grinding the country to a legislative halt.  Most republicans followed suit.  An entire year of OBama's term they prevented a Supreme court pick from being appointed because they could.  They blocked, stonewalled, and took us to the brink of default so many times its' not even funny.  Truly unfit, as a party, to govern - just an opposition party devoid of ideas.

Look at the 50+ votes to repeal Obamacare under Obama.  The republicans knew it would never go through, and it was purely symbolic, so they did it again and again, but when they won, and they could ACTUALLY repeal it, they have no #######' clue what they're gonna do.  Same thing about the Iran deal, that Trump bashed on the campaign trail, turns out he's not gonna touch it.  The want to roll back regulations, cut taxes, and no longer care a whit about the deficit.  They'll bend over and pay billions for a wall that is essentially useless, driving up the deficit, for what?  And Mexico is going to pay for it? Lmao...the solutions the administration are floating don't even make economic sense and will likely end up being paid for by, you guessed it, the American people.  An infrastructure bill and tax reform that will balloon the deficit that they've been lambasting Democrats about, pretending that they care.  It's a farce.

The Republican party has been one that has been almost entirely overrun by hot air, by being united around what they're against (liberals and obama), with little focus on what they are for.  This is how Donald Trump gets elected, because he is against all the things they're against, and he was the loudest, most abrasive person in the room talking down those they disagreed with.  He out-hated all the other republican candidates and untied people behind him not because of his policies, but because he was the biggest bully in the room and validated all of their prejudices (not only racial, but prejudices about liberals, immigrants, refugees, "inner city folk", etc).  He threw enough generic ideas out for people to pretend they cared about policies - "renegotiate terrible iran deal", "fix the healthcare system", "fix the broken immigration system", and then he invented other "crises" that don't exist like ridiculous crime surgest across the country all the while we're near all-time lows in almost all of the country.  It's truly bat#### insane that people bought into this, but it shows you how simply hatred-driven the entire wing of the party has become, and how devoid of ideas they are.

So, he somehow wins...and you know he and his team didn't ever expect to win and actually have to, you know, deliver on their promises and complaints (much like the republicans who vote repeal repeal repeal to obamacare without any alternative, knowing full well they'll never have to answer the question "what would you do better?" because Obama was still president)...and now people are understanding what happens when you vote for someone just because they're against the same people you're against, and especially when you vote for the biggest, most abrasive, most boorish, most politically incorrect person in the race.  You get someone SUPREMELY unsuited for the job, who can't handle calls with allies, who acts impulsively and impetuously, who lies habitually, who has thin skin and can't seem to get out of campaign mode where he got away with his lies and half-truths because he was against the same folks his supporters were against.

So now a party somehow finds itself holding the keys to the country they said was headed in the wrong direction, who pointed out at every turn how almost everything being done was horrible, and now they can't seem to do much right.  They're just now grappling with the implications of their rhetoric...it is absolutely sickeningly embarrassing to watch Trump and the Republicans try to run the country right now.  

Trump's boorish and ridiculous actions, EO and calls with foreign leaders included, are not unexpected.  He was going to make bad decisions, he was going to choose bad folks for appointments.  He was going to piss people off, say politically incorrect things, and generally muck up the system.  But all of the Republicans who are spineless, Paul Ryan especially, to stand up to him are the most pathetic out of all of them.  Their precious and fleeting political careers are worth more to them than their integrity.  Even those with the most integrity on the right are only doing half-assed jobs of calling out Trump when he deserves it.  

HIs press secretary repeatedly puts out false information.  Kellyanne Conway repeatedly puts out false information.  He's waging a war on the media and anyone critical of him.  

The whole thing is an American disgrace and people for generations will look back on this presidency with shame, provided he doesn't screw things up to a sufficient degree that we aren't around in generations.  Does anyone doubt his ability to escalate a normal diplomatic situation into a crisis, and for the sake of his ego, not back down and plunge us into war?  What about indefinitely increased tensions with other nations who aren't favorably disposed to us?

All of this we have because an entire party, and entire political group, became united around who they were against, rather than what they are for.  Yet just like Donald Trump did in the campaign, where he accused the other party of all of his faults (find his accusations against Hillary, and they're all applicable to him to a higher degree - Crooked Hillary, while Donald Trump is still getting more income off his business holdings while president?  Are you F'ng kidding me?  No tax returns released?) in the quote above TommyBoy is accusing the liberals of EXACTLY the behavior the right is guilty of.  The left, for the past 8 years, hasn't been focused on the right...the left, has been trying to move things forward with Obama at the helm trying to move the country in a direction according to liberal ideals and the best economics and policies out there.  On the other hand, the party without the presidency has been hell-bent on bringing Obama down, on doing everything possible to oppose him at every turn.

So yeah, it's ridiculous to hear the right pretend that they've been victimized for 8 years.  What's even more ridiculous is watching republican leaders, Trump included, try to govern themselves out of a paper bag and failing tremendously.

Oh, and "in" before this response is simply dismissed as being "unhinged" or other such nonsense, dismissing the post as a whole in one judgment rather than engaging on any specific points.  It's easier to just take something as a whole, pass a judgment on it, and dismiss it than actually disagree with points in a post.

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8 minutes ago, msommer said:

Way dated, this is more fun!

(I've been binge watching The Man in the High Castle" tonight)

Rocky  marathon is on...beginning of IV now.

Blazing Saddles is on too.

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Capt. Ahmed Adnan al-Musawe had survived another day battling Islamic State fighters in Mosul last weekend when he heard startling news: The new American president had temporarily barred Iraqis from entering the United States and wanted tougher vetting.

Captain Musawe, who commands an infantry unit of the Iraqi Army’s elite counterterrorism force, considers himself already fully vetted: He has been trained by American officers in Iraq and in Jordan. And backed by American advisers, he has fought the Islamic State in three Iraqi cities, including three months of brutal street combat in Mosul.

“If America doesn’t want Iraqis because we are all terrorists, then America should send its sons back to Iraq to fight the terrorists themselves,” Captain Musawe told a New York Times reporter who was with him this week at his barricaded position inside Mosul.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/world/asia/travel-ban-drives-wedge-between-iraqi-soldiers-and-americans.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

 

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10 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Iranian baby coming to US for heart surgery after travel ban halt. Let's see what happens to the 60,000+ others negatively affected by Trump's poorly written and executed EO.  Students, tech employees, Iraqi's who risked their lives for our soldiers and so on.

Bad move. That baby is probably "evil".

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:
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Capt. Ahmed Adnan al-Musawe had survived another day battling Islamic State fighters in Mosul last weekend when he heard startling news: The new American president had temporarily barred Iraqis from entering the United States and wanted tougher vetting.

Captain Musawe, who commands an infantry unit of the Iraqi Army’s elite counterterrorism force, considers himself already fully vetted: He has been trained by American officers in Iraq and in Jordan. And backed by American advisers, he has fought the Islamic State in three Iraqi cities, including three months of brutal street combat in Mosul.

“If America doesn’t want Iraqis because we are all terrorists, then America should send its sons back to Iraq to fight the terrorists themselves,” Captain Musawe told a New York Times reporter who was with him this week at his barricaded position inside Mosul.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/world/asia/travel-ban-drives-wedge-between-iraqi-soldiers-and-americans.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Trump has already shown us what he thinks of those military folks from other countries, especially those who say anything slightly negative about him, when he took on Khizr Khan and his wife.  Just one of many disgusting moments Trump had during his campaign.

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12 minutes ago, SoBeDad said:

Iranian baby coming to US for heart surgery after travel ban halt. Let's see what happens to the 60,000+ others negatively affected by Trump's poorly written and executed EO.  Students, tech employees, Iraqi's who risked their lives for our soldiers and so on.

Bad move. That baby is probably "evil".

And if the baby isn't evil now, could certainly grow up into whatever the Iranian translation equivalent of "bad hombre" is.

And yes, that is our president literally talking to Mexican leaders saying "bad hombre" and threatening another country with us sending our military in.  

It's absolutely insane that this kind of stuff is real, but what's more, that so few people are becoming "unhinged" or "melting down" because of it.  It's worth of removing one's hinges from this Trump door.  The stuff that's happening is worthy of melting down and reforging ourselves into something not so broken or corrupted.

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15 hours ago, TobiasFunke said:

Going pretty great!  President has historically low approval ratings, the Dems are starting to move left and put up more resistance, Republicans are running scared and afraid to hold town hall meetings or roll back the ACA, and the massive flood of opposition to the immigration EO is helping fight off much of the damage the EO would otherwise be doing to America's reputation in the Middle East and around the world.  Also, he and his supporters are clearly obsessed with the opposition, making themselves look weak and insecure every time they reveal the obsession.  It's a regular Bowling Green Massacre.

well thats good ...at least they arent on some random message board just  talking about fighting the good fight

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6 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Except the left isn't melting down. They're winning. 

No offense Tim, but it appears to me that everyone is melting down right now.

However, it is not necessarily a bad thing imo...system shock can be creative in th elong run. ;)

 

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2 hours ago, CowboysFromHell said:

323 pages and I can count on one hand the number of times a poster has actually engaged in an intelligent defense of Trump's actions so far as POTUS.

And he lost three fingers on that hand.

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24 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Except the left isn't melting down. They're winning. 

 

22 minutes ago, GROOT said:

yeah, just look at the stock market

 

Fake non-sequitur

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46 minutes ago, timschochet said:

melting down

 

46 minutes ago, timschochet said:

winning

Somehow I think connecting these two things pro or con is a mistake and it's almost entirely seen from the Trumpites.

The Trumpites seems to think that their perception that "the left" is "melting down" means they are "winning."

It's weird to me - Trump told them they never win, yet here they basically just poll vaulted over the Dems to clutch a USSC seat. Did Trump do this? No, McConnell did that. Aside from that it's amazing how much damage Trump is doing trashing allies and domestic tranquility and international goodwill and cooperation for things they could have gotten with any other Republican... with far less damage. But hey, they never won right? And now they do? Because the left is melting down? Ok, thereyago.

And maybe the "left" should be melting down. Arguably they lost from apathy, and Trump seems like the perfect cure for that. Here the GOP won more state seats than ever, more governorships than ever, more House and Senate seats than ever (almost), without Trump, and here is Trump giving the opposition the one thing they lacked, motivation. But hey, winning. Maybe melting down is winning, consider that.

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3 hours ago, CowboysFromHell said:

323 pages and I can count on one hand the number of times a poster has actually engaged in an intelligent defense of Trump's actions so far as POTUS.

Because no one here is interested in listening.

I have been here forever (reminding you I am #162 here and was a veteran at Old Yeller) and I don't frankly feel the need to make my opinion known on every little thing. I have attempted on multiple occasions to discuss Trump here and despite never having a beef with any of you, I am called stupid, racist or even worse. Why even bother attempting conversations here when that is the end conclusion?

You guys seriously have to stop. Every little story about Trump--real or imagined is reported here and half turn out to be untrue. I mean it is like living with Baghdad Bob with the media coverage here. Tonight CBS's top story is about the mission in Yemen and you can just hear the loaded language used in that report. Even you most die hard Trump haters have to at least acknowledge that Obama probably green-lighted hundreds of mission where soldiers were lost, but can you remember a network so actively putting the faces of those lost soldiers on the top story of the news for political gain? Frankly I wish they would have because these brave men and women deserve that respect. But honestly Trump approves the mission and a guy is lost=bad. Trump says no to the mission and you guys would have said he doesn't trust the generals.

It is so frustrating that a site that I remember looking at throughout the past 20 years has dissolved into this. We used to have fun here. A beef was settled in a few choice words and no more, but now we have pages upon pages of just flat out nastiness. If Trump is voted out in 2020, I literally will act like I did throughout the Obama years, I didn't attack any of you then because of who you voted for, and I wouldn't do it in the future. .

I have been a paid subscriber here forever because I believed that even though the content wasn't the best (and this year was kind of bad), my money was well spent to support these forums, but I am probably taking my money and I know most of the multiple leagues I am in. that use this site for info, elsewhere. Now you are saying "Oh godness, Joe will really miss that $600.00 :unsure: " He obviously won't, but it is just disappointing what has become of this place.

I am sure if I look back tomorrow this thread will be 8 pages longer with new imagined Trump outrage. I already see CNN has scintillating pieces on how bad his necktie and signatures are on the front page.

Trump is the president. If you don't like it, don't insult those that exercised their right to vote--find a young energetic Democrat to take him down in 2020.

I hope you all have a good night no matter what you think of me.

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9 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

Because no one here is interested in listening.

I have been here forever (reminding you I am #162 here and was a veteran at Old Yeller) and I don't frankly feel the need to make my opinion known on every little thing. I have attempted on multiple occasions to discuss Trump here and despite never having a beef with any of you, I am called stupid, racist or even worse. Why even bother attempting conversations here when that is the end conclusion?

You guys seriously have to stop. Every little story about Trump--real or imagined is reported here and half turn out to be untrue. I mean it is like living with Baghdad Bob with the media coverage here. Tonight CBS's top story is about the mission in Yemen and you can just hear the loaded language used in that report. Even you most die hard Trump haters have to at least acknowledge that Obama probably green-lighted hundreds of mission where soldiers were lost, but can you remember a network so actively putting the faces of those lost soldiers on the top story of the news for political gain? Frankly I wish they would have because these brave men and women deserve that respect. But honestly Trump approves the mission and a guy is lost=bad. Trump says no to the mission and you guys would have said he doesn't trust the generals.

It is so frustrating that a site that I remember looking at throughout the past 20 years has dissolved into this. We used to have fun here. A beef was settled in a few choice words and no more, but now we have pages upon pages of just flat out nastiness. If Trump is voted out in 2020, I literally will act like I did throughout the Obama years, I didn't attack any of you then because of who you voted for, and I wouldn't do it in the future. .

I have been a paid subscriber here forever because I believed that even though the content wasn't the best (and this year was kind of bad), my money was well spent to support these forums, but I am probably taking my money and I know most of the multiple leagues I am in. that use this site for info, elsewhere. Now you are saying "Oh godness, Joe will really miss that $600.00 :unsure: " He obviously won't, but it is just disappointing what has become of this place.

I am sure if I look back tomorrow this thread will be 8 pages longer with new imagined Trump outrage. I already see CNN has scintillating pieces on how bad his necktie and signatures are on the front page.

Trump is the president. If you don't like it, don't insult those that exercised their right to vote--find a young energetic Democrat to take him down in 2020.

I hope you all have a good night no matter what you think of me.

I agree. I'm donating mine to the victims of the Bowling Green Massacre instead.

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14 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

can you remember a network so actively putting the faces of those lost soldiers on the top story of the news for political gain? 

It's astonishing that you could write this without irony. The answer is of course I can remember it. There was a network obsessed with the deaths of 4 Americans and spent nearly two years featuring it as their #1 story. 

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It's astonishing that you could write this without irony. The answer is of course I can remember it. There was a network obsessed with the deaths of 4 Americans and spent nearly two years featuring it as their #1 story. 

 

 

 

 

Are you referencing Benghazi? That wasn't a special ops military mission green lighted by a president and is completely irrelevant to this.

Obama sent troops in harms way and they did their jobs and did great things. He got OBL for goodness sake.

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11 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

Are you referencing Benghazi? That wasn't a special ops military mission green lighted by a president and is completely irrelevant to this.

Obama sent troops in harms way and they did their jobs and did great things. He got OBL for goodness sake.

And didn't try to prove how great his op was by releasing a "retrieved" video that's been circulated for several years?

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

And didn't try to prove how great his op was by releasing a "retrieved" video that's been circulated for several years?

Did the Trump people release that video? I mean I am asking seriously. CBS and ABC said the military released it. CBS's words were to "justify the raid the military presented a video which was actively available years before"

Regardless of that Henry, did the media scrutinize every Obama authorized raid? I think Obama did a good job taking out ISIS, but I guess I just missed the coverage of every soldier lost in these raids--and I means pictures and bios and such every night.

 

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2 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

Did the Trump people release that video? I mean I am asking seriously. CBS and ABC said the military released it. CBS's words were to "justify the raid the military presented a video which was actively available years before"

Regardless of that Henry, did the media scrutinize every Obama authorized raid? I think Obama did a good job taking out ISIS, but I guess I just missed the coverage of every soldier lost in these raids--and I means pictures and bios and such every night.

 

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11 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

Did the Trump people release that video? I mean I am asking seriously. CBS and ABC said the military released it. CBS's words were to "justify the raid the military presented a video which was actively available years before"

Regardless of that Henry, did the media scrutinize every Obama authorized raid? I think Obama did a good job taking out ISIS, but I guess I just missed the coverage of every soldier lost in these raids--and I means pictures and bios and such every night.

 

That may be a matter of your political perspective.  Yes, they did. Partially because Obama lifted the gag order of soldiers dying that Bush put in place.  

If Obama had skipped the situation room and a soldier had died we would have heard about it every day for a year and there would have been 6 congressional hearings followed by Ted Cruz standing up and proclaiming he should be impeached.  

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