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crewmember said:
Are a lot of Americans making a good living growing the corn, or is just going all to corporate profits? Everything is #### these days, the news is usually just will they get more ####ty?
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The only news is that a Mexican senator proposed this bill.  It hasn't actually happened.  The US gets all kinds of crazy bills proposed.  Probably a "scare tactic", but tbf I'm not expert on the Mexican senate.

 
Sammy3469 said:
So the WH is going out with "Flynn can't recall if he talked about sanctions".  Do they expect us to believe that BS?  Perhaps the transcripts would refresh his memory.
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This seems to lead to the thought that the WH already knew he did and likely instructed him to do so.

 
shader said:
The only news is that a Mexican senator proposed this bill.  It hasn't actually happened.  The US gets all kinds of crazy bills proposed.  Probably a "scare tactic", but tbf I'm not expert on the Mexican senate.
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I can't imagine that we are too popular down there at the moment, and I wouldn't be all that shocked if something along these lines was being explored, given Trump's continual aggressive rhetoric toward their country. It isn't a big leap at all to imagine that their politicians are feeling the heat to respond the same way ours would if the situations were reversed.

 
The Indestructible said:
The reddit poster cites 3 sources in support of the proposition, all of which essentially re-state the information that you presented in your chart.  (I say essentially because one of the 3 sources makes no mention of your first category for "no ID required," and the same source also says that Canada requires ID at the polls, but omits the fact that Canada accepts multiple forms of ID.) GROOT's proposition is based on the exact same facts that you posted.
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No, Groot's proposition, which was refuted, and he recanted was:

 30 minutes ago, GROOT said:

Every other country in the world requires voter ID. It's just an excuse
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And I was just pointing that people accuse me of not being able to think for myself and posting only the words of others - and in this instance it was plagiarism and the source was not attributed, yet not a word from the other side who have a hissy fit about posting something not your own that is taken from social media and the source attributed.
 
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NCCommish said:
I have several times recently pointed out policies that have majority support I would be more than willing to work with the other side of the aisle. Heck I would support Trump.on some stuff he claimed to want to do. Even their voters support these things I do. But people love their wedges more than.they do getting things done.
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I should have specifically mentioned your name as well for those that might lead us from this morass.  

 
Matthias said:
Hypocrite is someone who says to eat healthy while wolf wolfing down a cheeseburger and fries. I'm not calling anyone a hypocrite. What I am doing is saying it shows that the rationale is obviously pretextual by the politicians and completely not reflected upon by their followers. But neither are hypocrites. 
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I will consider your words.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Cowboysfan8 said:
Maybe you're right, I honestly don't know if you are or not.

But Id be curious to know the number of  people that are in this country that would like to vote but can't because they can't afford an ID, but also have an iPhone in their pocket
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Generally access to IDs is more about time and effort and less about money, although that does play a role.

There's a good thread about the arguments. I did a quick search and couldn't find it, anyone who's better at searching this board than I am wanna take a crack at it?
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https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/437780-how-much-voter-fraud-is-happening/?page=39

 
honestly, I'm not all that bothered about Flynn talking to the Russians between the election and inauguration.  I think a case could be made that, while he wasn't a US gov't representative at the time, he represented the future administration.

After all, at the end of the day, where is the harm?  Russia did not retaliate to us kicking out their spies (allegedly under the assumption that Trump would smooth everything over).  If that was Trumps actual position, where is the foul?  This isn't a case of a private citizen trying to influence a foreign government, it was a case of an un-inagurated future gov't official communicating the intent of the future gov't.

 
moleculo said:
honestly, I'm not all that bothered about Flynn talking to the Russians between the election and inauguration.  I think a case could be made that, while he wasn't a US gov't representative at the time, he represented the future administration.

After all, at the end of the day, where is the harm?  Russia did not retaliate to us kicking out their spies (allegedly under the assumption that Trump would smooth everything over).  If that was Trumps actual position, where is the foul?  This isn't a case of a private citizen trying to influence a foreign government, it was a case of an un-inagurated future gov't official communicating the intent of the future gov't.
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Lots to unpack but first off- why did the WH lie about it then?

 
jonessed said:
I doubt a lot of those Trump costs get classified as vacation.
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Which has nothing to do with what you originally took issue with.

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adonis said:
That's a unique way of saying that Trump is breaking new ground in how much he's costing, and personally benefitting from, the federal government - paid for almost entirely by the taxpayers (of which, he is not a member - the fees are too high)
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I don't know what the final cost will be.  How do you know?
 
moleculo said:
honestly, I'm not all that bothered about Flynn talking to the Russians between the election and inauguration.  I think a case could be made that, while he wasn't a US gov't representative at the time, he represented the future administration.

After all, at the end of the day, where is the harm?  Russia did not retaliate to us kicking out their spies (allegedly under the assumption that Trump would smooth everything over).  If that was Trumps actual position, where is the foul?  This isn't a case of a private citizen trying to influence a foreign government, it was a case of an un-inagurated future gov't official communicating the intent of the future gov't.
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Because he wasn't YET a government representative.  And there is a specific law prohibiting private citizens from engaging in diplomatic talk. 

I see where you're coming from,  and I'm sure it's a point a lawyer would make if it ever came before a judge,  but it was illegal. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I don't know about that site, but the entire basis for it is a Russian claim - unlinked - that it is bombing Isis only and not rebels at all. Which is a joke claim, good luck substantiating that from a serious source.
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Well yea, I'm sure there are some rebels fighting with ISIS in ISIS controlled areas, so that could be a generalization of the Russian claim. My point on why I was pleased wasn't who's striking the rebels more it was that I am glad to see we are striking the rebels instead of assisting them now.

 
MikeIke said:
Because he wasn't YET a government representative.  And there is a specific law prohibiting private citizens from engaging in diplomatic talk. 

I see where you're coming from,  and I'm sure it's a point a lawyer would make if it ever came before a judge,  but it was illegal. 
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GTFO. Nobody would care if it wasn't a Trump thing. Just another worthless thing to cry about. 

 
MikeIke said:
Because he wasn't YET a government representative.  And there is a specific law prohibiting private citizens from engaging in diplomatic talk. 

I see where you're coming from,  and I'm sure it's a point a lawyer would make if it ever came before a judge,  but it was illegal. 
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And also these talks were taking place at the same time that Russia was intervening in the US election.  Literally, Russia was helping to elect a candidate whose team was promising them that they would benefit from them winning the election.  That doesn't prove quid pro quo, but it certainly flips the burden of proof IMO.

 
Why does national security adviser Michael Flynn still have a job? It’s amazing to be asking that question less than a month into a new presidential administration. But ever since The Washington Post reported last week that the retired general with noxious Islamophobic views apparently lied about his contacts with Russian officials, the argument for firing Flynn is looking pretty strong. Yet President Donald Trump has shown no sign of having lost confidence in his top national security adviser.
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Donald Trump is weak, and his weakness is being exploited by his underlings in a way that undermines his presidency.

Trump makes bad staffing decisions (if he makes them at all), he hires people for terrible reasons and he sticks with incompetent personnel for still worse reasons. Flynn was clearly tapped for his top national security role because the retired general was a sycophant and campaign loyalist. Flynn’s exotic and virulent attitudes toward Islam likely resonated with Trump, but the quality the president values most in people is whether they’re sufficiently loyal to Donald Trump. There are plenty of retired generals out there, and most of them weren’t forced out of high-ranking national security posts for managerial incompetence. Flynn was the one who told Trump what he wanted to hear.

The president has every reason to fire Michael Flynn, and he very well might at some point in the near or distant future. As long as Flynn remains as national security adviser, it will look as if Trump was either complicit in Flynn’s behavior (or condones it) or just can’t bring himself to get rid of a toady who has disgraced the administration.
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http://www.salon.com/2017/02/13/flynnghazi-keeps-getting-stupider-trump-has-every-possible-reason-to-fire-michael-flynn-but-wont/

 
fatness said:
Which has nothing to do with what you originally took issue with.

I don't know what the final cost will be.  How do you know?
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Yes it does.

Someone posted Obama's vacation cost as a comparison, but I don't see how the figures could be compared.  We don't know Obama's full security cost, we just know his vacation cost.  We don't know Trump's vacation cost, we just know a portion of his security cost.  Without knowing how they divide the costs it's hard to compare anything.

 
gianmarco said:
If that's the case, I'd prefer someone that has a better memory in his position. 
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Like when they rolled out all the bank CEOs in front of Congress after the financial crisis and they all acted like they were completely unaware of anything that was going on, yet when they are grilled over their compensation they act like they are the only ones capable of knowing how everything in the company runs.

 
MikeIke said:
That's because he wasn't accused of profiting from it. 
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My comment had nothing to do with profiting.  It was the expenses accumulated by he or his family doing normal, day to day stuff.  

Michelle going out on a shopping day had some pretty astronomical expenses associated with it, but people have to go about doing what it is they do.

 
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It would not be the only time Mr. Cohn was a lonely voice in Mr. Trump’s inner sanctum. Two and a half months after that initial meeting, with key economic posts in the White House and cabinet still vacant, he has become the go-to figure on matters related to jobs, business and growth. He resigned from his position at Goldman in December to become director of the president’s National Economic Council.

People with knowledge of his new role said that Mr. Cohn, a Democrat, is summoned to the Oval Office for impromptu meetings with the president up to five times a day — and that he reaches out to the president on other occasions. Mr. Trump, said one of these people, is oriented toward the bottom line when it comes to shaping policy, often asking Mr. Cohn, “What do you want to do?”

The direct access to the president has been crucial as Mr. Cohn navigates a White House where Mr. Bannon and the policy director Stephen Miller are power brokers whose worldviews differ from his, and where unexpected presidential complaints, broadcast on Twitter, can significantly recalibrate the day’s agenda.

Topping Mr. Cohn’s current to-do list: corporate and individual tax reforms, to be carried out at the same time; improvements to infrastructure to create new jobs; and regulatory relief in general.

He is also studying how to revamp the Affordable Care Act, which Mr. Trump vowed during the campaign to repeal — a promise that is proving to be more complicated to keep than he had expected.

Mr. Cohn is working with a health care specialist and consulting with House Republicans: Speaker Paul D. Ryan; Kevin McCarthy, the majority leader; and Jeb Hensarling, chairman of the Financial Services Committee. Mr. Cohn is determining which aspects of the act may be worth keeping (allowing people to stay on their parents’ plans until age 26 and mandating coverage of people with pre-existing conditions) and which may not (allowing people to sign up for health insurance outside of the typical enrollment periods).
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One guy. Working on:individual tax reform, corporate tax reform, coming up with infrastructure iprovements that will create jobs, general regulatory relief, and reforming the ACA. Trump has one guy working on this. :lol:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/11/business/dealbook/trump-economic-cabinet-gary-cohn.html?_r=1

 
moleculo said:
honestly, I'm not all that bothered about Flynn talking to the Russians between the election and inauguration.  I think a case could be made that, while he wasn't a US gov't representative at the time, he represented the future administration.

After all, at the end of the day, where is the harm?  Russia did not retaliate to us kicking out their spies (allegedly under the assumption that Trump would smooth everything over).  If that was Trumps actual position, where is the foul?  This isn't a case of a private citizen trying to influence a foreign government, it was a case of an un-inagurated future gov't official communicating the intent of the future gov't.
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Why do you need spies when you get your intel straight from the WH?

 
This is some real Help-Run-The-Country qualification.

Stephen Miller and Jason Islas grew up in sunny southern California in the late 1990s, united by their passion for Star Trek. But Miller stopped talking to his friend as they prepared to jump from Lincoln Middle School to Santa Monica High School.

Miller only returned Islas' phone calls at the end of the summer, to coldly explain the reason for his estrangement. “I can't be your friend any more because you are Latino,” Islas remembers him saying.
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http://www.univision.com/univision-news/politics/how-white-house-advisor-stephen-miller-went-from-pestering-hispanic-students-to-designing-trumps-immigration-policy

 
IvanKaramazov said:
And also these talks were taking place at the same time that Russia was intervening in the US election.  Literally, Russia was helping to elect a candidate whose team was promising them that they would benefit from them winning the election.  That doesn't prove quid pro quo, but it certainly flips the burden of proof IMO.
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That is bigger then anything the Clinton Foundation was ever accussed of.  I assume their are recording of Flynn's phone call.

#wherearethephonecalls

 
Eh.  If you have to go all the way back to middle school (!) to dig up dirt on somebody, you're sort of building the opposite case of what you're trying to build.  

I don't mean this as a defense of Miller.  I just don't think it's wise or appropriate to go back that far into a person's youth.  

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Eh.  If you have to go all the way back to middle school (!) to dig up dirt on somebody, you're sort of building the opposite case of what you're trying to build.  

I don't mean this as a defense of Miller.  I just don't think it's wise or appropriate to go back that far into a person's youth.  
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Yeah, but in Miller's case, that is not too long ago :oldunsure:

 
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