Here’s the problem. Let’s assume Eli starts season and we look at their early season schedule. They can realistically start the season 4-2 now you might be locked into Eli for the entire year..
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
My point is you have to sacrifice a season to develop Jones. So if it’s not 2019 with a mediocre team then you lose all of 2020 so now you have 2 years of average to poor results. If your plan was to draft Qb then you should have cut Eli saving18.0m. Frees up cap space to acquire some free agents.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Again, Daniel Jones' ceiling from what I read is 'more accurate Ryan Tannehill/less talented Alex Smith'... that's not winning you many games in the future unless you surround him with studs.
Cutting Eli was never an option. Giants do not do dead cap hits like that, never liked to. That's why I keep posting the Cowboys as a model, Mara/Tisch HATE that. Even idiot Gettleman has stated that.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
Who cares about their schedule? Right now, this is the least talented team in football.
The Frankman
Footballguy
So far the last 1st rounder, the 3rd and 4th rounder look on paper to be really good picks. Dunno about Connelly...
The late 5th rounder is excellent value, but he's a WR... no other DE or OL yet?
EDIT: Wow Giants going HEAVY on corners... just picked another with Corey Ballentine.
The late 5th rounder is excellent value, but he's a WR... no other DE or OL yet?
EDIT: Wow Giants going HEAVY on corners... just picked another with Corey Ballentine.
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
2nd 1st rounder is not bad ... heard him compared to Haloti Ngata and his NFL comp is Shaun Rogers
The Frankman
Footballguy
Yeah I should've included him. From what I read on boards, Giants brass think he could develop into Snacks but more of a middle disruptor. Interesting
Add Ballentine to that list. Just checked his YouTube tape... dude has lateral quickness and is a HITTER. Giants really want their secondary to run stop and light people up.
Yeah does look like another good CB pick ... just wondering why the hell they neglected oline and Mack Wilson
The Frankman
Footballguy
It's very weird... where are the Hog Molly picks on O and D? Yeah they got Lawrence but they only have 2 picks in the 7th left. O line actually may be done depending on the Giants' pursuit of Mike Remmers.
Giants selections from Round 3-on
Giants selections from Round 3-on
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The Frankman
Footballguy
According to ESPN the two best DEs left are Jalen Jelks from Oregon and Jonathan Ledbetter from Georgia. If they are there for teh Giants in the 7th they absolutely HAVE TO GET ONE OF THEM. I know you usually go BPA here, but you gotta get ONE DE unless Giants think they can sign a few undrafted.
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GEORGE ASAFO-ADJEI KENTUCKY T
Weird NFL doesn't even have a grade or profile on him. However I found this article from Redskins site in January that was projecting him to be a 3rd rd pick
https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/1/4/18158149/with-rt-depth-non-existent-in-2019-george-asafo-adjei-could-give-redskins-security-consistency
Weird NFL doesn't even have a grade or profile on him. However I found this article from Redskins site in January that was projecting him to be a 3rd rd pick
https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/1/4/18158149/with-rt-depth-non-existent-in-2019-george-asafo-adjei-could-give-redskins-security-consistency
The Frankman
Footballguy
I saw that article on Hogs Heaven, looks like he could supplant Chad Wheeler at RT real soon according to tape. I love that RotoWorld is taking an L on his draft history.
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The Frankman
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Another Defensive Tackle??? Are the Giants going back to a 4-3 and I missed it?
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Giants UDFAs:
Rutgers RB Jonathan Hillman
Monmouth WR Reggie White Jr.
Buffalo C James O’Hagan
Missouri T Paul Adams
Texas-San Antonio LB Josiah Tauaefa
LI-Post CB Jake Carlock
Northern Colorado WR Alex Wesley
Kentucky TE C.J. Conrad
Purdue S Jacob Thieneman
Alabama LB Jamey Mosley (CJ's brother)
LSU S John Battle
Akron CB Kyron Brown
Central Florida OT Wyatt Miller
Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch
Rutgers RB Jonathan Hillman
Monmouth WR Reggie White Jr.
Buffalo C James O’Hagan
Missouri T Paul Adams
Texas-San Antonio LB Josiah Tauaefa
LI-Post CB Jake Carlock
Northern Colorado WR Alex Wesley
Kentucky TE C.J. Conrad
Purdue S Jacob Thieneman
Alabama LB Jamey Mosley (CJ's brother)
LSU S John Battle
Akron CB Kyron Brown
Central Florida OT Wyatt Miller
Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch
The Frankman
Footballguy
George Asafo-Adjei solidified his game at RT even though he started elsewhere on the line. Check his profile, he could win the job in camp.
At least some of these guys were signed by the Jets
- Alabama LB Jamey Mosley (CJ's brother)
- LSU S John Battle
- Akron CB Kyron Brown - Dolphins
- Central Florida OT Wyatt Miller
- Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Giants draft pick Corey Ballentine shot, friend killed.
"Early the next morning, Ballentine and a close friend and teammate on the Washburn University football team were involved in a shooting that resulted in the death of Dwane Simmons and a gunshot injury to Ballentine that is considered non-life threatening."
"Early the next morning, Ballentine and a close friend and teammate on the Washburn University football team were involved in a shooting that resulted in the death of Dwane Simmons and a gunshot injury to Ballentine that is considered non-life threatening."
dhockster
Footballguy
I get the Giants don't like dead cap hits. But not cutting Eli makes no logical sense based on their other decisions:The Frankman said:
By trading OBJ and drafting a rookie QB with their first pick, to me, they are conceding they are not in a win now mode but in a rebuilding mode. If they are in a rebuilding mode, they can either pay Eli his 23 million and have him play this year, or cut him and save $12 million against the cap which can be rolled into the future to HELP WITH YOUR REBUILDING!!! The longer the Giants do this hybrid of sort of playing to win now and sort of rebuilding, the longer it will be until they are relevent again.
Giants will be a much better team this year than last and possibly make the playoffs with Eli at the helm.
Aside from the 1st pick I though the Giants had a very good draft ...until they started getting shot.
I like Jones as much as any QB other than Murray but I am sure they could have gotten him lower ... if not Haskins or Lock in the 2nd would have been sufficient. I personally would have waited until next season but I think they can win with Jones.
Other than blowing 1st pick and pick in rd 5 LB RYAN CONNELLY ... think this was a throw away pick (god knows why they didn't take Mack Wilson here) ... Thought it was a very strong draft
Aside from the 1st pick I though the Giants had a very good draft ...until they started getting shot.
I like Jones as much as any QB other than Murray but I am sure they could have gotten him lower ... if not Haskins or Lock in the 2nd would have been sufficient. I personally would have waited until next season but I think they can win with Jones.
Other than blowing 1st pick and pick in rd 5 LB RYAN CONNELLY ... think this was a throw away pick (god knows why they didn't take Mack Wilson here) ... Thought it was a very strong draft
Yenrub
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
It's notable because after trying to watch as much tape and read draft coverage the last week as I have, I've come to a few conclusions.
a) The Giants are trying to create a good young cover unit that will mitigate the need for a huge pass rush up front by being aggressive on the perimeter, solid against the run and blitz safeties and corners.
b) I've come around on the DeAndre Baker pick. Dude has the talent to be a shutdown corner and WANTS to be one. Check out some of DeAndre Baker's his tape/vids here. Julian Love has a chance to start Game One also.
The Frankman
Footballguy
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
So JPP broke his neck in a single car accident last week.
Reportedly likely done for the season.
The off-season has been the most dangerous time of the year for this guy.
This probably makes a whole lot more sense in the Bucs thread, but given his history, I'll leave it here as well.
Reportedly likely done for the season.
The off-season has been the most dangerous time of the year for this guy.
This probably makes a whole lot more sense in the Bucs thread, but given his history, I'll leave it here as well.
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The Frankman
Footballguy
I want to say this is gamesmanship, but I think there are carries to be had behind Saquon and maybe this lights a fire under Wayne Gallman Jr.
RC94
Footballguy
IMO the Giants should have taken a RB like Justice Hill at the end of the 3rd to improve the depth chart behind Barkley. They got rid of the only real playmaker in the passing game in Beckham and are so committed to basing the offense on the running game, there's going to be a huge problem if Barkley gets injured. Barkley is obviously far more talented than any #2 they will have, but their current depth chart is horrible and they lack playmakers in the passing game to shift gears if Barkley gets injured. They should have improved the RBs via the draft. They could have also taken Butler to improve their WRs and playmaking ability on offense. They obviously have so many needs that taking a DE at the end of the 3rd makes sense, but when you take a QB #6 overall, you should provide him with more weapons and depth to work with IMO.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I like Gallman too.
I think he and Smith will have different roles
Gallman likely to spell Saquon between the 20’s – Smith to spell Saquon in short yardage situations
Without a doubt ... Giants were under 2 minutes away from going 7-1 the 2nd half of last season. They lost 2 games by 1 pt and 1 game by 3 pts in the final minute or seconds of each game. Giants averaged 34 pts in 3 of the final 4 games without Odell and over 30 pts in 7 of the final 8 games ... So they can score and their line should be much improved.CBS Sportsline has the Giants ranked next to last in their post draft power ranking. Only the Dolphins are worse. Not to sound to optimistic but I like
the G-Mens chances to outperform their expected output.
They butchered their 1st pick of the draft but still had a very strong draft overall. I can see 4 of the draft picks starting or making significant contributions on defense ... DT Lawrence, Baker, Xman and Love. This plus the addition of Golden who should be a significant player on D makes the defense much better than the end of last season
The Frankman
Footballguy
It's weird that Betcher and the Giants seem to want to build an aggressive, ballhawking secondary seemingly w/o the requisite pass-rushers to do it. They're talking up Markus Golden and moving Dexter Lawrence and B.J. Hill around, but that's really hard to do with such a young unit. Also
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/05/03/PNJM/1cc30cee-6a59-441d-ab1b-d5eeea55e45b-050319_er_giants_08_.JPG?width=520&height=390&fit=bounds&auto=webp
Holy crap I thought this was a Photoshop
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/05/03/PNJM/1cc30cee-6a59-441d-ab1b-d5eeea55e45b-050319_er_giants_08_.JPG?width=520&height=390&fit=bounds&auto=webp
Holy crap I thought this was a Photoshop
The Frankman
Footballguy
It's funny how proactive the Giants have been on their offensive line. All of a sudden not only did they address the starters with this signing, but they fixed the depth with the Halapio/Pulley loser backing up and the rookie RT they got in the draft.
Yenrub
Footballguy
It says it was "minor" back surgery and the deal is only 1 year @ $2.5 million so low risk. He played for Shurmur in MIN and Shula in CAR so not much of a learning curve. Best case - veteran starter and upgrade at RT tackle ... worst case - depth and competition
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az_prof
Footballguy
The Giants have definitely improved the OL; how much is yet to be determined. Nate Solder is solid at LT. Hernandez has a year of experience now at LG and played better as his rookie year advanced. Right Guard is improved with addition of Zeitler. And if Remmers is healthy enough to play, he is an improvement playing at RT. Center is still below average, but overall, this unit should be much better and that should help the whole offense.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Between Halapio and Pulley, you should get at least league average play. Remember, Halapio looked solid before the injury.
The Frankman
Footballguy
Again, Giants are suddenly loaded at CB if Beal recognizes his potential. A refresher:
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I'm pretty excited about the Giants right now. Maybe I'm being over optimistic but from 2nd half last season till now I think the Giants have improved significantly.
Was looking at the PFF ranking for Giants O'line last season they were way down at the bottom first half of the season Around 25-27 range and ended up 21 overall. Then added this beast
https://www.google.com/search?q=kevin+zeitler&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS769US770&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi7re6h8KriAhUDd98KHQIOCdkQ_AUIDygC&biw=1920&bih=1097#imgrc=WQiVnpAYx9eaWM:
And Remmers to improve 2 of the weakest links from last season
I think they are going to easily be a top 15-10 Oline if healthy
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Yenrub
Footballguy
This article about the OL makes me feel a little better about the season
https://nypost.com/2019/05/20/o-line-guru-giants-trio-can-restore-units-glory-days/
https://nypost.com/2019/05/20/o-line-guru-giants-trio-can-restore-units-glory-days/
Giants seem like a real happy family right now
DBs look great from what I've been hearing. Peppers is all over the place and a vocal leader. Bethea been the mentor,. Beal starting at CB and has looked great. Baker has looked great and Love has been versatile.
The attendance has been near 100%
And Odell has shown up for 1 of his 6 OTAs ... good riddance!
DBs look great from what I've been hearing. Peppers is all over the place and a vocal leader. Bethea been the mentor,. Beal starting at CB and has looked great. Baker has looked great and Love has been versatile.
The attendance has been near 100%
And Odell has shown up for 1 of his 6 OTAs ... good riddance!
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Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Really? You actually liked that trade? I feel it was a bad move made by a bad GM. Draft a rookie QB but take away his best receiver. Genius.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Because he pressured Eli into to throwing the ball to him and would rant and rave if he didn’t. So Eli would force it I to Odell whether he was open or not resulting in a lower QB rating.
if he could screw up a veteran like Eli imagine what he would do to an I experienced rookie QB
if he could screw up a veteran like Eli imagine what he would do to an I experienced rookie QB
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