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2021 New York football Giants (3 Viewers)
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The Frankman
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Yeah that INT was vintage Daniel Jones. Brian Baldinger went in on him on NFL Network for that one; there was a group consensus Jones has to be able to consistently make good decisions/decisions that don't destroy his team's drives.
The two-minute drill just cemented what I already thought; when you limit Jones' choices and reads and keep him as a game manager, he can be much more effective. He's not ready to be a "run the show" QB right now, but he could be a good "protect the ball, one read/throw it short, and let our defense win the game" QB.
The two-minute drill just cemented what I already thought; when you limit Jones' choices and reads and keep him as a game manager, he can be much more effective. He's not ready to be a "run the show" QB right now, but he could be a good "protect the ball, one read/throw it short, and let our defense win the game" QB.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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OK, I just went back and watched the first part of the game. The Int was brutal. No 2 ways about it. Bad decision, bad throw, bad everything.
That said, it wasn't all bad. Mixed bag. The TD was nice. There were some good decisions. He didn't fumble. I don't see the sacks as his fault so much as a group effort. QBs get sacked. It happens. So long as the ball doesn't come out, it's just part of the game. I think it feels magnified when the QBs name is Jones, because every sack is "here we go again".
What's a full game look like here, 70+% completion rate, 280 yards, 2/2, and likely gives y'all 20-40 RuYd to boot?
It's less than ideal, but it's not terrible either. And it's still preseason. Hopefully Danny Dimes adds that Int to his "stuff not to do" list.
That said, it wasn't all bad. Mixed bag. The TD was nice. There were some good decisions. He didn't fumble. I don't see the sacks as his fault so much as a group effort. QBs get sacked. It happens. So long as the ball doesn't come out, it's just part of the game. I think it feels magnified when the QBs name is Jones, because every sack is "here we go again".
What's a full game look like here, 70+% completion rate, 280 yards, 2/2, and likely gives y'all 20-40 RuYd to boot?
It's less than ideal, but it's not terrible either. And it's still preseason. Hopefully Danny Dimes adds that Int to his "stuff not to do" list.
Tanner9919
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nope. that dog won't hunt 
Dimes will not be in a giants uniform next year, probably won't be the starter for very long, either. but....Shepherd has really good value for a comatose sleeper. looks like he's poised for a bit of a step up in WR rankings.
Dimes will not be in a giants uniform next year, probably won't be the starter for very long, either. but....Shepherd has really good value for a comatose sleeper. looks like he's poised for a bit of a step up in WR rankings.
The Frankman
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Tanner9919 and monk in the same thread. What did I do to deserve this?
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Yenrub
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I noticed that Garrett seemed to use more motion last night than I ever recall him using in the past.
On the 2nd sack given up by Thomas, they went with an empty set with Booker lined up out wide to Jones’ left (there were 3 receivers on that side Booker was initially the farthest outside)
Just prior to the snap, Booker came in motion behind the other 2 WR and had a free release and ran a shallow cross. He beat the defender (Pats were in man coverage) but for some reason Jones didn’t throw it to him and was sacked.
If that was Saquon and Jones actually threw the ball, that would have been a big play. I hope to see that play sometime this season.
On the 2nd sack given up by Thomas, they went with an empty set with Booker lined up out wide to Jones’ left (there were 3 receivers on that side Booker was initially the farthest outside)
Just prior to the snap, Booker came in motion behind the other 2 WR and had a free release and ran a shallow cross. He beat the defender (Pats were in man coverage) but for some reason Jones didn’t throw it to him and was sacked.
If that was Saquon and Jones actually threw the ball, that would have been a big play. I hope to see that play sometime this season.
The Big Donkey
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Jones looked pretty rusty to start the game which make sense since it was his first live action of the preseason. He looked slow and indecisive for the first couple of series and the Int was unacceptable ... horrible decision to throw the ball.
I understand the frustration with Jones decisions under pressure but again when you are constently under pressure bad decision are bound to be made. The Starting Oline was horrendous ...actually worse then expected.
I cant understand how Engram always comes up a yard or less short of the 1st down marker or goal line ... it's incredible. If he had put in just a little effort that drive ends on a TD and Jones Ends up with 2 TDs and 0 Ints. That yard is the difference between a good/ok half and a great half
Regarding the RBs ... Booker looks like the least explosive of the group. I have a feeling Clement is going to be cut in favor of Brightwell Which is a shame becasue aside from Barkley, Clement is the most explosive RB on this team ...but the Giants always make the wrong decisions. Brightwell looks better as a receiver out of the backfield than a runner. Penny looked awesome and ran real hard ... I hope it's Barkley, Booker and Clement with Penny as the FB/ 4th RB.
I understand the frustration with Jones decisions under pressure but again when you are constently under pressure bad decision are bound to be made. The Starting Oline was horrendous ...actually worse then expected.
I cant understand how Engram always comes up a yard or less short of the 1st down marker or goal line ... it's incredible. If he had put in just a little effort that drive ends on a TD and Jones Ends up with 2 TDs and 0 Ints. That yard is the difference between a good/ok half and a great half
Regarding the RBs ... Booker looks like the least explosive of the group. I have a feeling Clement is going to be cut in favor of Brightwell Which is a shame becasue aside from Barkley, Clement is the most explosive RB on this team ...but the Giants always make the wrong decisions. Brightwell looks better as a receiver out of the backfield than a runner. Penny looked awesome and ran real hard ... I hope it's Barkley, Booker and Clement with Penny as the FB/ 4th RB.
Oh hell yeah !!! I like this alot !!!!! We need 1 More of these trades or a waived T/G pickup
Check out the Draft Profile on this Guy ...
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/billy-price/32005052-4905-4404-45e3-d74a9d20fb7b
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Yenrub
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Yenrub
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Giants have about 5 Oline coaches consultants etc ... This guy was highly touted coming out of Ohio state maybe they can fix him.
He had a decent rookie season ... not sure what happened after that
OVERALL 55.6 / PASS BLOCKING 66.0 / RUN BLOCKING 57.3
Also as bad as this guys PFF ratings have been ... they are significantly better than Lemieux's
Overall 32.2 PASS BLOCKING 16.9 ... maybe price or gates move to RG
Yenrub
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Oh you didn't come out and say outright but you sure as heck implied it
As if Engram wasn't putting in the effort to score
Your reading too much into it ...Stop with the BS and focus on football ...This is a Giants football thread contibute with content not BS attacks
As for Engram he is known for coming up short ... I was at the game yesterday when he came up short of the first down earlier we we laughing our asses off that he was starting that crap again ... When he came up short of the goaline ... I couldnt believe my eyes.
The Big Donkey
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Regarding Price ... his best season came as a rookie where he started all 10 games @ Center.
He had a PFF pass blocking score of 66 that year which is pretty good ... which would have been 2nd only to Zeitlers 68.7 last year
The next 2 seasons he played primarily G ... 3 games only 1 start at Center last year
So hopefully they can make something out of this ...worst case it's deperately needed depth
He had a PFF pass blocking score of 66 that year which is pretty good ... which would have been 2nd only to Zeitlers 68.7 last year
The next 2 seasons he played primarily G ... 3 games only 1 start at Center last year
So hopefully they can make something out of this ...worst case it's deperately needed depth
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The Big Donkey
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BJ Hill wasn't going to get paid by us next year, comp pick or Billy Price? I don't know. Not a lot of confidence in our front office in identifying offensive line talent, draft/fa/trade.
side note: JPP trade netted us BJ Hill and Kyle Lauletta.
Jeezuz ... Gettleman has really been unbelievably bad ... It'sactually hard to be as bad as he's been!
jhib
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Good link for Giants up to date cuts
https://www.bigblueview.com/2021/8/30/22648671/new-york-giants-roster-cuts-tracker-nfl-news-rumors-trades-updates-more
So Far
https://www.bigblueview.com/2021/8/30/22648671/new-york-giants-roster-cuts-tracker-nfl-news-rumors-trades-updates-more
So Far
- David Sills
- Chad Slade
- Niko Lalos
- Madre Harper
- Griffin Stewart
- Matt Cole
- Brian Lewerke
- Corey Clement
- Damion Willis
- Austin Mack
- Alex Bachman
- Devonte Downs
- Jonotthan Harrison
- Kenny Wiggins
- Jake Burton
- Brett Heggie
- Willie Henry
- Ifeadi Odenigbo
- Jackson Barton
- Jordyn Peters
- Jake Hausmann
- Chris Johnson
- Ted Larsen
- Ryan Anderson
- David Moa
- Elijah Qualls
- Casey Kreiter [Waived with reported plan to re-sign him]
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The Big Donkey
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link
Ralph Vacchiano
"Multiple agents now have told me they've heard from the Giants about an O-line client they have who was cut today ... So there certainly is an expectation, at least, the Giants will be active on the waiver wire at that position and over the next week."
Good old Dave going dumpster diving for OL help.
Ralph Vacchiano
"Multiple agents now have told me they've heard from the Giants about an O-line client they have who was cut today ... So there certainly is an expectation, at least, the Giants will be active on the waiver wire at that position and over the next week."
Good old Dave going dumpster diving for OL help.
Yeah but when your Oline Roster is a Dumpster ...one mans trash could be another mans treasure
There are plenti o guys waived so far that are better than what the Giants currently have
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RC94
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This is one of the reasons I didn't like the trade for Price, as minor as it was. I would rather have any draft capital they could get for Hill, even if it's comp pick, and sign free agents to be backups on the o-line. I doubt Price is better than some players who are going to be available after cuts.
The Big Donkey
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I dont get this one ... After trading for Price I dont think the giants need another G ... I wonder if Lemieux is more injured then they originally thought.
Giants now have 9 Olinemen (Maybe Larson gets waived) 6 of them are G/Center types and only 3 Tackles
The Big Donkey
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Giants sending a 2022 fourth-round pick to Baltimore, and the Ravens are sending back Bredeson, a 2022 fifth-round pick and a 2023 seventh-round pick.
Unless this guy ends up starting at LG ... this was another dumb Gettleman trade ... Gettleman really values his 6th and 7th round picks !
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The Big Donkey
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I have a feeling tha they are going to have to waive Gilaspia and 1 of either Dante Pettis or John Ross in order to bring back Kreiter and add another TE. I dont see who else can go unless there is an injury
The Big Donkey
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@DDuggan21
Giants left guard Shane Lemieux has a partially torn patellar tendon, per sources. Lemieux has missed two stretches of practices during camp. He participated in today’s walk-through and the plan is for him to try to play through the injury without surgery.
Giants left guard Shane Lemieux has a partially torn patellar tendon, per sources. Lemieux has missed two stretches of practices during camp. He participated in today’s walk-through and the plan is for him to try to play through the injury without surgery.
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The Frankman
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This sux for Lemieux but I have to be honest I think either one of the two guys they just traded for, Price or Bredeson, are better options than Lemieux when healthy, never mide with a partially torn petella tendon. I'd rather they IL him and bring in a veteran another lineman like OT Tyrell Crosby or C Matt Skura
Yenrub
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So the plan is to let a guy who had a PFF grade in the 30's if I recall properly play through a torn patellar?
Good Grief Charlie Brown!!
The Frankman
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Beal could be one of the guys on the block when they bring back Kreiter and add another TE.
I'm actually glad that Beal made the team because it means they see something in what would otherwise be a thrown away 3rd round pick
Because they cant replace his 6 special teams tackles ... If he didnt make them no one else would and all of them would have resulted in TDs !!
The hard on for Lemeiux is getting a little a weird
Holy crap I just looked at Ebners salary last year ... They paid him $2M for his 6 special teams tackles ...LOL! WTF???
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Jordan Raanan
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The Giants claimed LBs Justin Hilliard (SF) and Quincy Roche (Miami) and WR Collin Johnson (Jax).
No Giants players were claimed.
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The Giants claimed LBs Justin Hilliard (SF) and Quincy Roche (Miami) and WR Collin Johnson (Jax).
No Giants players were claimed.
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