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Yeah I think Hernandez should be the pick. Not out of the question that they go with Rudolph if they don't believe in Webb
You wont have to worry about watching Darnold for 10-15 years ...Jets will be drafting a QB in 3 years
Beyond the arguments of positional value if it came down to Gettleman seeing all the QBs as flawed one way or the other and not worth such a high draft pick and he wasn't offered what he thought was appropriate value for that pick, I have zero problem with him taking a RB whose collegiate tape was better than Gurley and better than Elliot. Not only a (nearly?) generational talent, but reportedly a high character guy, and a culture changer for the team.
I disagree with the "win now mode" conclusion and push back on the entire theory.
IMO there are no on the field reasons not to like Barkley at 2. I think he is going to be really good in the NFL.
It's just a really big investment for an inexpensive position. Bell is the best RB in the NFL and he can't get his team to give him a second contract. Eli has been fading. His QBR the last 2 years has fallen off back to where it was during his first couple years. He is 37. It just seems like now the is the time to move on from Eli and start the Darnold/Rosen era. If you hit at QB, your team is basically in the playoff race for 12+ years.
Right, he's getting the Kirk Cousins treatment. It's not a good thing for RB value. '
I'll take my chances Davis Webb and Barkley over these 2 clowns. Darnold is a turnover machine playing in the friendly climate of Southern Cal ..what is going to happen when he plays in the freezing winds of the Meadowlands? Rosen is known to have a ####ty attitude and he is already embarrassing the team that traded up to draft him ...
Perhaps, I’m not a QB expert so maybe Giants GMs didn’t like them. It seems like that is a very contrarian stance but it may be correct.
The other side of the argument is that if Barkley "shouldn't" be picked at #2 due to positional value, what "should" Gettleman have done?
Not to be contrarian, but I don't know how contrarian it is.
QB or Chubb. Try to trade back.
Most of the stuff I listened to seemed to usually be positive on everyone except for maybe Jackson or Allen. I have heard people call this one of the best QB classes of all time. Seems crazy for a team to have the 2nd pick and a 37 year old QB that hasn't played well since 2015, but not come away with a QB or a trade down.Not to be contrarian, but I don't know how contrarian it is.
Most reports I read by football people, sports writers, message board posters have their favorites and think others will bust. In fact, it's easy enough to find people who think each of these QBs will bust. It's easily possible then to be of the opinion that you think that none will pan out to be worthy of such a lofty pick and financial investment.
You missed my point a bit here.
I mean we can't know what Gettelman thought exactly. Sure, if he didn't like any of the 4 QBs after Mayfield and Chubb doesn't fit their D, what about Denzel Ward? Surely a top CB would help the Giants? Even Quenton Nelson would fill a big need at Guard. Guards make double the amount of money RBs make. That isn't saying much since the average punter contract is bigger than the average RB contract though.
Agree that we can't know what Gettleman thought exactly but his actions in the draft, as all GMs actions do, speak pretty loudly as to what they think. He liked Barkley more than every player, except maybe Mayfield.
Sure and I love Barkley, he’s going to be awesome for the Giants. I’m secretly jealous. To me it’s just the vbd equivalent of drafting a QB in the first round of a fantasy draft.
This is the 1st time I could ever recall the Giants drafting the players they were expected to draft in Saquon and Hernandez. Carter was a great pick ...I dont know much about HillWill Hernandez - G - UTEP
Lorenzo Carter - OLB - Georgia
BJ Hill - DT - NC State
Mighty fine day two if you ask me!!
As much as you can rate drafts before anyone plays a down, IMO Gettleman has had a great draft so far. He has intersected need and value damn well with these players (aside from Barkley) being picked after most rankings I've seen.
... and I posted too soon.
... and Crosby still there a round later and passed on again so what do I know?
I REALLY liked Tavarres King and thought he should stayed over Roger Lewis Jr. Sharp doesn't have the same measurable as King (Sharp is 2 inches shorter at 5'11), but could have the same big play impact.
they really have no depth at WR. I'm surprised they haven't brought in a veteran. doesn't have to be Dez but just somebody who has played in the NFL will do.
That's good to hear. But the Giants have to show some good faith too and start contact talks.
I think in 2 WR sets Shepard will be on the outside opposite OBJ. In 3 WR sets Shepard will move to the slot, Latimer will come off the bench and go outside.
That makes the most sense. I'm not sure I like Shep playing so much outside (inside Shep/Engram combo is more threatening) or Latimer anywhere (this guy couldn't click with Peyton?)
6'1" is Good size not OK and he was projected to be a top 5 corner in 2019 ... it's a potentially great pick for a 3rd rounder.
