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Ummm ...you said those others aren't "consistent winning QBs" and now winning doesn't matter?
Hey Giants ... get on it.
Agreed. The OLine needs to get a pipeline moving. At times Manning had time to throw yesterday, other times? Eeeesh.
Same here bro. I am willing to bet there's a large contingency of fans in this market who would have preferred to see the end of the Giants game if it meant only missing a little bit of the first quarter. I know as an NFL fan, let alone Giants, I'd prefer to see the end of a good game than the first several minutes of my team's 1st quarter.
Oh come ON Giants you could've shored up right tackle!
Smoke and mirrors. Cratering YPA and no deep arm strength anymore + no athleticism, he might have a year left if the Giants legit put a lot more work into the line next year (draft 2 OL in the first 3-4 rounds, sign a 3rd as a FA). Otherwise go after Teddy B. Also Shurmur has to stick to the gameplan: Eli as game manager and work Saquon first, then allow Eli to spread it around (no locking in on OBJr.)
I agree somewhat but this is the first time in years (maybe ever) that Eli has had the benefit of a high % low risk passing game. I think he has looked sharp as hell in the short to mid passing game. He threw a bullet TD to Fowler while rolling right yesterday.
Which is almost impossible to accomplish in one offseason. If they can get the OL squared away, that would be good enough for me. We'd be as good as the Bucs with top offense/worst defense type of team. It's going to take a lot of money to fix their problems.
It depends what they use their 1st round pick on. Is there a stud pass rusher/top OL around? I'm not sure at this point but we'll have to see. They might also cut ties with Olivier Vernon to save a ton of cash.
https://twitter.com/Giants/status/1079457472228675584
Apple traded midseason. Best defensive player is Landon Collins, who missed the last 3-4 games due to injury. Janoris Jenkins is still a good corner but he fell off hard from his elite status last season. Oliver Vernon was a stud last year but injuries really sapped him to the point Giants may make him a salary cap cut in Spring 2019. Giants are in an odd situation where they have a lot of young up-and-comers but they're not there yet. BJ Hill, Dalvin Tomlinson, BJ Goodson, Curtis Riley, and don't forget Sam Beal their supplemental corner pick.The Fearless said:
I would like to see the Giants address the RT position via free agency perhaps Daryl Williams (Panthers).
It's surprising how bad the line was earlier in the year... and now they are so close to a starting 5. They obviously need depth but they haven't been on eposition away from a solid line in years. I mentioned RIley because as bad as he was at times he showed flashes that can be corrected. Young safeties have it rough in today's NFL. Giants have no plans to trade OBJr., so they'll need to make do with what they have. The big question for the Giants is when their draft spot comes up at #6 and Dwyane Haskins and Jonah Williams are on the board... who do they draft?
https://www.sny.tv/giants/news/key-takeaways-from-giants-gm-dave-gettlemans-end-of-season-press-conference/302320218
Were they bad because of their QB play, Oline, or Defense? Giants led the NFC east in Scoring and Eli was sacked 47 times ... Defense allowed the most points in the AFC eastMAC_32 said:
Eli was sacked 47 but some of that is Eli’s fault. He’s a statue back there and has almost no feel for pressure when it comes.
And after every sack, Eli gets up. He takes a beating, that not many QBs could you say would be able to withstand. He's not a mobile QB, that is a fact. Put a mobile QB in there and you think he'd do better? Maybe, but my money is on the mobile QB would be running for his life instead of being tackled quickly. Would the results be much different, though?
Deshaun Watson was sacked like 58 times with a better oline
Mobil QB is also much more likely to be injured so you'd better have a real capable backup (mo money )
Giants were .500 over the last 8 games of the season. 3 of those loses were to playoff teams and they lost by 1, 1, and 3 points in those games
Mind going into more depth about why the offense isn't also a problem? I'm only watching from afar, but my impression of it has been between inconsistent and awful. Wins over Nick Mullens, Josh Johnson, and one of those QB carousel games for Tampa wouldn't have me feeling that next season will be better either. But perhaps there's something I'm missing about the offense from afar. I could barely stay engaged in those horrendous performances against Philly and Atlanta, so I shut down watching this team at that point.
They were all Learning a new offense ... New Head Coach and Offensive coordinator
You’re misunderstanding me. Eli can’t feel the pressure. That’s the difference between him and Peyton and Brady. Both Peyton and Brady knew how to slide around in the pocket. You don’t need to be a running QB to avoid the rush. You just need to be able to feel the pressure coming and move away from it. Eli is oblivious to it.
Agree to disagree here. There were times this season where Eli was beaten to his spot. Put me, you, anyone in this thread and we could have done a similar job as Flowers was doing. Getting our butts handed to us as the DE smashes into Eli before he's had time to even plant his back foot. Flowers in particular but the entire line was that bad. To say Eli is oblivious to the rush is just hating. The sacks don't even begin to measure the number of times Eli pressured and hit early in the season. Yes, Eli was looking at the rush. Because his life depended on it. The line was not trust worthy in anyway. In the second half it became more so and Eli's play improved. Defending the Giants in the beginning of the season was stupidly simple. Rush 4, watch them get home and get other 7back. Blitzes weren't needed. Ever.
Well then how do you explain the fact that Brady has been sacked more often than Eli ... despite being on a better team with a better oline for almost his entire career.Boone22 said:
They are both averaging 28 sacks per 16 games for their careers ... Eli's percentage is slightly less than Brady's
Watson did not have a better offensive line. At best, it was equally as bad as the Giants line.
Not throwing stones and I didn't watch the game, but it seemed like Houston lived on its D (which was clearly better than the Giants D) with just enough magic from Watson this season. Watson seemed to have no answers this weekend when the chips were down. I am not dissin' Watson. Rather simply underscoring the point that one guy can only do so much to make for the 5 guys in front of him. Sometimes those 5 guys stink so bad, you can't tell what you really have.
Haskins isn't falling to the 2nd round
