Infinite New York football Giants thread

[IrishTwinkie 464]

The thing with Jones is you can see the bonehead play coming up before it actually happens. Seconds in advance. On both these last two turnovers I had time to scream at the TV "nooooo!". But he didn't listen...  It has to be frustrating for the coaching staff. I am sure they are in his ear about it, but it doesn't sink in. As a fan it is super frustrating. I was waiting for a defensive player to pull a Buddy Ryan on him during the game. 

[Yenrub 788]

So there are reports that Golden Tate has liked an instagram post saying he should be traded. He is apparently unhappy about not getting the ball.

[The Frankman 3,346]

There was a post on FF Reddit breaking down separation for all Giants WRs and apparently Tate had the most separation... I can't confirm it (don't have DVR this year) but someone rewatched the game and broke it down Tweet. Jordan Raanan did the same and surprise surprise.

Edited November 5, 2020 by The Frankman

[monk 196]

On 11/4/2020 at 6:19 PM, Yenrub said:

I know it’s early but if you are the Giants what do you do at the top of the draft?

Take Fields?

Hell no ... If you have a shot at Trevor you get him. Chassing QBs in the top 5 picks just because they are there is disasterous. We would have had Darnold and Haskins if we went that route 

Jones although he was a bad pick is better than s better than Either of them.  We should have waited a year and Picked Tua or  Herbert  ... sure things 

Now we have to live with Jones unless another sure thing like Trevor comes along ... Fields is not a sure thing ... he could just as easy be the  next Haskins, Darnold, Rosen or if lucky Daniel Jones   

[RC94 2,032]

Tate is benched

[The Frankman 3,346]

Damn, Judge don't play around. Wonder what this dude would've done to Odell if Judge was around back then.

[The Frankman 3,346]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1325466432499568640
 

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

#Packers made a run at #Texans WR Will Fuller this week, but that wasn’t the only standout they offered a mid-round pick for. Source said they attempted to trade for #Giants DT Dalvin Tomlinson, tho NYG resisted dealing the captain even though he’s in the final year of his deal.

...seriously?

Edited November 8, 2020 by The Frankman

[Yenrub 788]

Just watched the condensed version of the game.

I’m glad they were able to hold on for the win.

I really like watching Gallman run. He isn’t flashy or anything, but he is a solid back, I don’t understand why previous coaching staffs didn’t like using him. The OL did a good job giving him and Morris room to run. Austin Mack had a nice debut.

The defense played well in the 1st half. They seemed to run out of gas in the 2nd half but did enough to hold on. They had a couple of blown coverages and there was some poor tackling. Clearly they need someone to play opposite Bradberry.

It wasn’t pretty but a win is a win. Hope they are for Philly next week.

[Yenrub 788]

On 11/8/2020 at 12:59 PM, The Frankman said:

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1325466432499568640
 

...seriously?

I guess it means they plan on trying to re-sign him to a long term deal

[The Frankman 3,346]

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Giants waived CB Corey Ballentine.

It's a surprise, as the No. 180 overall pick of last year's draft had been playing 15-25 weekly snaps on defense. Evidently they were not to the Giants' liking. Ballentine will presumably be stashed on the practice squad if he clears waivers, though it's also possible the G-Men are simply moving on from a player they don't view as part of their future. 

This is odd. I know he got off to a terrible start but it's not like he's been an obvious liability the last 2-3 games. Who is taking his spot?

[monk 196]

2 hours ago, The Frankman said:

This is odd. I know he got off to a terrible start but it's not like he's been an obvious liability the last 2-3 games. Who is taking his spot?

He was on the wrong end of a gang like shooting last year ... Maybe there are character issues 

[Yenrub 788]

35 minutes ago, monk said:

He was on the wrong end of a gang like shooting last year ... Maybe there are character issues 

https://www.ksnt.com/news/topeka-police-say-central-topeka-killing-of-wu-football-player-not-drug-or-gang-related/

[monk 196]

Giants Kicked Eagle Asses ... more to to come !!!!!

 

[RC94 2,032]

It's good to see Jones starting to improve.

[Rubi 296]

Playoffs!?Playoffs!?

[The Frankman 3,346]

47 minutes ago, RC94 said:

It's good to see Jones starting to improve.

At the very least he's starting to learn how to feel pressure; you're not seeing the sacks were he's standing in the pocket like he has all day and he gets hit. Even if the decision is to crumple and get sacked he's not killing the drive with stupid turnovers, which is key. Garrett is also having him bootleg/option more, which I love because his running ability is his best asset.

[Yenrub 788]

27 minutes ago, Rubi said:

Playoffs!?Playoffs!?

Don't talk about playoffs! Concentrate on getting a win next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

 

 

[Rubi 296]

13 hours ago, Yenrub said:

Don't talk about playoffs! Concentrate on getting a win next week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

 

 

Actually with a bye next week , Pheagles at Cleveland and Boys at Minnesota,week 11 is potentially very profitable. imop

[The Frankman 3,346]

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The Florida state attorney dropped all armed robbery charges against former Giants CB DeAndre Baker. 

The charges against Baker were dropped after an attorney representing three of the alleged victims of the armed robbery by Baker was arrested on extortion charges related to the case, according to the Broward County sheriff. The attorney, William Dean, "wanted Baker to pay each of his clients more than $266,000, and, in exchange, the victims ... would either stop cooperating with prosecutors ... or change their initial sworn statements to police," according to the Sheriff's Office. The Giants traded up to select Baker with the No. 30 overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft. It's uncertain if Baker will find his way back into the league. He could still face disciplinary action from the NFL. 

- Ralph Vacchiano

huhn... so Giants should re-sign him right?

[monk 196]

16 hours ago, RC94 said:

It's good to see Jones starting to improve.

I would take Jones over Wentz any day. Wentz is Terrible ! I know Kelce hasn't been snapping good ... but it's not like those snaps arent bouncing in front ogf him or sailing over his head.  They are hitting Wentz in the hands and he drops every one of them ... also his  accuracy is horrible. He's got a great line, and great running game and lots of weapons ... he just flat out sux!   

PFF

Daniel Jones is the Giants highest graded player from yesterday’s game with an 84.2 overall. That’s Jones’ highest game grade of his career as he continues to shred from clean pockets. When kept clean, Jones went 18 for 18 with a 93.1 passing grade

Edited November 16, 2020 by monk

[monk 196]

1 hour ago, Rubi said:

Actually with a bye next week , Pheagles at Cleveland and Boys at Minnesota,week 11 is potentially very profitable. imop

Yeah the bye week is huge right now with Zeitler in protocol. I imagine Judge could come up with a great game plan and preparation with 2 weeks to plan for the Bengals 

 

[monk 196]

50 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

huhn... so Giants should re-sign him right?

I think they should try to work something out  ... That should be a huge humbling experience for Baker. Would have been nice to see what this coaching staff could have done with him  

[The Frankman 3,346]

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Former Giants CB DeAndre Baker had all his charges dropped in Florida court on Monday, per an official release from Broward County Courthouse. 

Back in mid-May, Miramar (Fla.) authorities issued a warrant for Baker and two others on multiple counts of armed robbery and aggravated assault after allegedly taking jewelry and cash from four victims during a party while using a firearm. But now, three of the four sworn statements against Baker have been recanted, and Broward County Courthouse is saying that witnesses are being uncooperative. 

On top of that, William Dean, the lawyer for the alleged victims that recanted their statements, was arrested on Monday for extortion "related to soliciting a cash payout on behalf of the three men in exchange for altered testimony."

"The alleged victims and the known witnesses have become uncooperative and their credibility is inalterably tarnished. The State moved to have one witness held in contempt of court for refusing to answer questions and the defendant's attorney moved to have one of the listed victims help in contempt of court for failing to appear for deposition," the statement read.

The Giants placed Baker on the commissioner's exempt list on July 27, and he appealed his placement on July 28. Baker withdrew the appeal Aug. 7 amid an official charge of those four counts.

With the charges dropped, Baker's attorney, Patrick G. Patel, told SNY's Ralph Vacchiano that getting back into the NFL is the main goal.

"DeAndre is excited," Patel said. "He can’t wait to get back in the NFL, get off the exempt list and get rolling. There’s no reason this shouldn’t happen right away because this kid's been the victim from the jump."

Patel added that Baker has been working out in Florida, and he heard the news about the charges getting dropped while at the gym.

A Sept. 2 report by SNY's Ralph Vacchiano revealed that Baker expected to be released by the Giants. Six days later, Baker was waived.

 

Edited November 16, 2020 by The Frankman

[Pip's Invitation 6,711]

33 minutes ago, monk said:

I would take Jones over Wentz any day. Wentz is Terrible ! I know Kelce hasn't been snapping good ... but it's not like those snaps arent bouncing in front ogf him or sailing over his head.  They are hitting Wentz in the hands and he drops every one of them ... also his  accuracy is horrible. He's got a great line, and great running game and lots of weapons ... he just flat out sux!   

PFF

Daniel Jones is the Giants highest graded player from yesterday’s game with an 84.2 overall. That’s Jones’ highest game grade of his career as he continues to shred from clean pockets. When kept clean, Jones went 18 for 18 with a 93.1 passing grade

Eagles line has actually been pretty bad this year because of all their injuries. But it doesn’t explain the whole story of why Wentz has been as bad as he has. 

[rockaction 24,845]

The Baker news. What do you guys make of it? I'm having trouble reading between the lines. The attorney can say that he was the "victim from the jump," but there seems to be a bunch of evidence against him with respect to witness tampering.

Anyone following more in-depth?  Sounds like sketchy people all around.

[monk 196]

33 minutes ago, rockaction said:

The Baker news. What do you guys make of it? I'm having trouble reading between the lines. The attorney can say that he was the "victim from the jump," but there seems to be a bunch of evidence against him with respect to witness tampering.

Anyone following more in-depth?  Sounds like sketchy people all around.

Whether he is guilty or not ... He's clearly not a great guy and hangs out with a ####ty crowd. But all charges have been dropped so you cant convict the guy and he cant be kicked out of the league. He's very lucky and hopefully he is smart enough to answer the wake-up call and take advantage of an unbelievable 2nd chance. 

Also he and his agent should be on the phone with the Giants begging for a 2nd chance at a heavily discounted price and the opprotunity to turn things around. If he doesnt give the Giants the first opportunity to pay them back and immediately starts looking for another big payday ... then he is a piece of garbage character who will eventually be in the same position  

Edited November 16, 2020 by monk

[rockaction 24,845]

7 minutes ago, monk said:

Whether he is guilty or not ... He's clearly not a great guy and hangs out with a ####ty crowd. But all charges have been dropped so you cant convict the guy and he cant be kicked out of the league. He's very lucky and hopefully he is smart enough to answer the wake-up call and take advantage of an unbelievable 2nd chance. 

Also he and his agent should be on the phone with the Giants begging for a 2nd chance at a heavily discounted price and the opprotunity to turn things around 

I agree. I also agree that he's extraordinarily lucky and should take the wake-up call. He was almost in jail for armed robbery, which is going to come with a heck of sentence, presumably. Guy had to be staring at 10-life (edited: I looked it up) at one point.

Edited November 16, 2020 by rockaction

[The Frankman 3,346]

15 minutes ago, monk said:

Whether he is guilty or not ... He's clearly not a great guy and hangs out with a ####ty crowd. But all charges have been dropped so you cant convict the guy and he cant be kicked out of the league. He's very lucky and hopefully he is smart enough to answer the wake-up call and take advantage of an unbelievable 2nd chance. 

Also he and his agent should be on the phone with the Giants begging for a 2nd chance at a heavily discounted price and the opprotunity to turn things around. If he doesnt give the Giants the first opportunity to pay them back and immediately starts looking for another big payday ... then he is a piece of garbage character who will eventually be in the same position  

Or he can easily go play with his friend Quinton Dunbar in Seattle. Bottom Line, Giants bailed on him early in the process and he rightfully should feel somewhat betrayed.

Edited November 16, 2020 by The Frankman

[monk 196]

20 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Or he can easily go play with his friend Quinton Dunbar in Seattle. Bottom Line, Giants bailed on him early in the process and he rightfully should feel somewhat betrayed.

Somewhat betrayed by the team that traded 3 picks to move up and make him a higher paid 1st round pick??? 

He rewarded them with a bad attitude, bad play,  bad character and a lost season ... Any team would have done the same , he knows it, his agent knows it  and if he wants to save face a rehab his character,  reaching out to the Giants at a discount is the right thing to do 

[The Frankman 3,346]

27 minutes ago, monk said:

Somewhat betrayed by the team that traded 3 picks to move up and make him a higher paid 1st round pick??? 

He rewarded them with a bad attitude, bad play,  bad character and a lost season ... Any team would have done the same-

Seahawks let the process play out with Quinton Dunbar.

Edited November 16, 2020 by The Frankman

[Yenrub 788]

1 hour ago, monk said:

Whether he is guilty or not ... He's clearly not a great guy and hangs out with a ####ty crowd. But all charges have been dropped so you cant convict the guy and he cant be kicked out of the league. He's very lucky and hopefully he is smart enough to answer the wake-up call and take advantage of an unbelievable 2nd chance. 

Also he and his agent should be on the phone with the Giants begging for a 2nd chance at a heavily discounted price and the opprotunity to turn things around. If he doesnt give the Giants the first opportunity to pay them back and immediately starts looking for another big payday ... then he is a piece of garbage character who will eventually be in the same position  

Wait what? You think his agent should be on the phone with the Giants?

I’m guessing that the Giants are #32 on Baker’s list of NFL teams to play for right now.

The team didn’t stand by him and they cut bait on him when they didn’t have to.

I believe he was already on the commissioners exempt list, they could have left him there and said we are going to let the legal system run its course.

[monk 196]

19 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Seahawks let the process play out with Quinton Dunbar.

Quinton Dubars charges were dropped a month before Baker was released 

[monk 196]

11 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

Wait what? You think his agent should be on the phone with the Giants?

I’m guessing that the Giants are #32 on Baker’s list of NFL teams to play for right now.

The team didn’t stand by him and they cut bait on him when they didn’t have to.

I believe he was already on the commissioners exempt list, they could have left him there and said we are going to let the legal system run its course.

If they left him on the exempt list ... they would have had no case to recoupe the money that theyve paid him.

What kind of person would think  like that ... They let me go because I was out partying , gambling and performing armed robbery ... Screw them 

A person of character would say ... this team had faith in me ... traded 3 picks to move into the 1st rd for me paid me tons of money and I ####ed them over.  Now I want to repay them in good faith and save my career 

[The Frankman 3,346]

3 minutes ago, monk said:

If they left him on the exempt list ... they would have had no case to recoupe the money that theyve paid him.

What kind of person would think  like that ... They let me go because I was out partying , gambling and performing armed robbery ... Screw them 

A person of character would say ... this team had faith in me ... traded 3 picks to move into the 1st rd for me paid me tons of money and I ####ed them over.  Now I want to repay them in good faith and save my career 

HE DIDN'T PERFORM THE ROBBERY!!! He can save his career with a team that believed in him.

Edited November 16, 2020 by The Frankman

[monk 196]

Yeah and OJ didnt kill anybody 

[Yenrub 788]

10 minutes ago, monk said:

If they left him on the exempt list ... they would have had no case to recoupe the money that theyve paid him.

What kind of person would think  like that ... They let me go because I was out partying , gambling and performing armed robbery ... Screw them 

A person of character would say ... this team had faith in me ... traded 3 picks to move into the 1st rd for me paid me tons of money and I ####ed them over.  Now I want to repay them in good faith and save my career 

Per reports that I have seen Baker has always maintained that he was innocent

So his point of view is probably more like, they let me go because I was out partying and ACCUSED of performing a robbery.

Also just because the Giants traded up to get him doesn’t mean he OWES them anything.

He worked hard enough to earn a scholarship to UGA, he worked hard enough while at UGA to get drafted high. If you look at that draft at worst, he was going to be drafted in the 2nd round.

[monk 196]

8 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

1 - Per reports that I have seen Baker has always maintained that he was innocent

So his point of view is probably more like, they let me go because I was out partying and ACCUSED of performing a robbery.

2 - Also just because the Giants traded up to get him doesn’t mean he OWES them anything.

3 -He worked hard enough to earn a scholarship to UGA, he worked hard enough while at UGA to get drafted high. If you look at that draft at worst, he was going to be drafted in the 2nd round.

1 - Of course 

2 - Technically he doesnt owe them anything. I guess that goes for any drafted player but that's a character issue that will resurface.  Albert Haynesworth did not feel that he owed the Redskins anything 

3 - I agree he was blessed with football talent 

Edited November 16, 2020 by monk

[wgoldsph 962]

16 minutes ago, monk said:

1 - Of course 

2 - Technically he doesnt owe them anything. I guess that goes for any drafted player but that's a character issue that will resurface.  Albert Haynesworth did not feel that he owed the Redskins anything 

3 - I agree he was blessed with football talent 

What character issue? How does not wanting to play for a team that didn't support you show a lack of character?

[Smack Tripper 2,748]

Intellectually I still want the tank

But I will say, I respect what Judge has done so much, I can't in good conscious root for it now, go win the damn division. 

They've all kept playing so hard they deserve success

[IrishTwinkie 464]

Playoffs or not, I am cautiously please with what I am seeing. The improvements are obvious. The OLine is finally doing something productive. It seems like years since they've even approached "Not completely Crappy". There are legit holes now and legit pockets. There is light years of improvement from where they were at the start of the season.  And the defense is holding up on their end too. I just hope this continues. If they remain competitive in the games they have left, playoffs or otherwise, the season will be a success. 

[Yenrub 788]

I just re-watched the shortcuts version of the game.

I like how the OL is improving and creating some running space for Gallman.

I have always liked Gallman, the kid is doing a good job with this opportunity. I know Saquon is a much better back than Gallman, but I hope Saquon is learning to hit the holes and take what’s there instead of always trying to hit the home run so to speak.

Garrett has been doing a good job with the offense lately, but I would like to see him sprinkle in a screen or two into the mix.

[The Frankman 3,346]

1 minute ago, Yenrub said:

Garrett has been doing a good job with the offense lately, but I would like to see him sprinkle in a screen or two into the mix.

Not sure Jones can throw it. We saw what Eli could do with Saquon screens; Jones has criminally underutilized his RBs in that department.

[Yenrub 788]

9 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

Not sure Jones can throw it. We saw what Eli could do with Saquon screens; Jones has criminally underutilized his RBs in that department.

True. The Giants don't throw to their RB's all that often especially since Saquon went down. I think the RB's have combined for less than 5 catches per game. 

[Yenrub 788]

Surprisingly to me, Paul Schwartz from the NY Post says that Baker would love to return to the Giants. Other beat writers make it seem like there is no chance of that happening however.

[The Frankman 3,346]

https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1328450537541472259
 

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Jordan Raanan @JordanRaanan

Joe Judge on the DeAndre Baker news: "Wish him the best luck in the future. We've made the decision we think is best for the program. That is all I have to say about that."

 

Pretty clear he's not coming back. #Giants

Well so much for that. 🙄

Edited November 17, 2020 by The Frankman

[RC94 2,032]

Just because the charges were dropped in this case, doesn't mean he's innocent.  It sounds like the Giants may think he's lucky to get off for this reason and doesn't deserve another chance, at least with the team.  if they believed he was innocent they probably would have let the legal process play out or at least would be willing to resign him and give him another chance now.

[The Frankman 3,346]

That was quick

https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1328882722744496130
 

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Mike Garafolo @MikeGarafolo

The #Chiefs are expected to sign former #Giants CB DeAndre Baker to their practice squad in the coming days, source says. The 2019 first-round pick is headed there for a visit, as @NYPost_Schwartz noted. That’s the only planned visit and, barring a snag, he’ll be a Chief.

 

Edited November 18, 2020 by The Frankman

[Yenrub 788]

29 minutes ago, The Frankman said:

That was quick

https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1328882722744496130
 

 

Not surprising, dude was a 1st round pick just a season ago plus he isn’t coming off of injury.

Low risk signing for the defending champs

[monk 196]

WTF??

Giants unexpectedly fire offensive line coach Marc Colombo, replace him with Dave DeGuglielmo

https://www.giants.com/news/joe-judge-replace-offensive-line-coach-marc-colombo-with-dave-deguglielmo

[The Frankman 3,346]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1329121565208961034

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet

The thought was to have Dave DeGuglielmo in to consult with OL coach Marc Colombo. A fixer. But when told of the plan, Colombo did not take it well. He said so. And then he was out.