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Probably the worst GM in football

Great news both for Saquon and Jones.

This is very important considering how often the kick Return team is going to be on the field  

Giants are fine at QB ... Daniel Jones 1st 2 seasons compare very similarly to Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield.both of whom are on much better teams. Give him Sanquan, another receiving weapon and continiur to build the Oline and Jones will put up similar numbers.

WR 1 - through Free Agency is the way to go   ... this will Allow the Gianst to pick the Defensive difference maker that they have been missing forever. Parsons, Rousseau or KwityPayne. Pick#  2 the Best Guard or Center available ... Pick 3  # Corner of or In line TE 

Then they will be a playoff team 

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Giants hired Rob Sale as offensive line coach. 

Sale and Giants head coach Joe Judge were together at Alabama a decade ago. Sale spent three years as Louisiana's offensive coordinator -- a stretch in which the Ragin' Cajuns broke many offensive school records, including total offense (6,918), total touchdowns (69), most rushing yards (3,604), most rushing touchdowns (42) and most passing touchdowns (27). The team's production caught the attention of NFL decision makers, and Sale now starts what could be his ascent to an offensive coordinator job in the league. For now, he'll toil under offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, who led one of the NFL's worst offenses in 2020. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, monk said:

What is this?

Giants Departures ... did i miss something?

DT Leonard Williams, EDGE Kyler Fackrell, DT Dalvin Tomlinson, RT Cameron Fleming, RB Wayne Gallman, RB Dion Lewis, DT Austin Johnson

besides leonard, i wouldn't be surprised by any of them.

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41 minutes ago, kodycutter said:

besides leonard, i wouldn't be surprised by any of them.

As far as potential departures/cuts go, I think they kinda HAVE to sign Williams but it's a sure bet the other guys are probably gone (I like Gallman Jr. but Barkley will be back and they can always use a cheap retread like Alfred Morris to back him up). I think they keep Zeitler, but that's about it. This new staff has no loyalties to guys like Mayo or Cody Core.

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On 2/23/2021 at 11:24 AM, Yenrub said:

Good article about the Giants upcoming decision with Dalvin Tomlinson 

https://nypost.com/2021/02/22/giants-dalvin-tomlinson-decision-will-speak-volumes/

"In December 2008, the Giants gave Webster, a reliable cornerback, a five-year contract extension. In the next 10 drafts, the Giants’ second round pick did not receive a multiyear contract extension. "

Big reason why we are where we are....   crazy.

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18 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

Nate Solder intends to play in 2021

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30968530/new-york-giants-nate-solder-intends-play-2021-opting-last-season

He is scheduled to make 10M in 2021 and count 16.5M against the salary cap

was hoping he'd retire, but who walks from that much $.       i'd put that as gettleman's worst move, even with a bunch to choose from.

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1 hour ago, Yenrub said:

Nate Solder intends to play in 2021

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30968530/new-york-giants-nate-solder-intends-play-2021-opting-last-season

He is scheduled to make 10M in 2021 and count 16.5M against the salary cap

I'd like to have Solder back and playing RT for 1 year while Peart gets a little more experience ... The Need to Replace Cam Flemming who was making $4M ... I'm pretty Sure Solder would be better than Fleming 

 

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1 hour ago, monk said:

I'd like to have Solder back and playing RT for 1 year while Peart gets a little more experience ... The Need to Replace Cam Flemming who was making $4M ... I'm pretty Sure Solder would be better than Fleming 

 

Soldier at RT for 1 year at 16.5mm cap hit?     👎

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2 hours ago, kodycutter said:

Soldier at RT for 1 year at 16.5mm cap hit?     👎

I agree with this! In a vacuum I think Solder would be a better option at RT than Flemming, even with Solder having to switch sides. But I don’t think he would be four times better.

The Giants front office is going to have to get creative with the cap.

Quick question did Matt Peart play any guard last season? I know the Giants did a lot of moving players around but don’t recall if Peart played guard at all. I get that it wouldn’t be an ideal spot for a guy that big, I’m just curious.

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22 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

I agree with this! In a vacuum I think Solder would be a better option at RT than Flemming, even with Solder having to switch sides. But I don’t think he would be four times better.

The Giants front office is going to have to get creative with the cap.

Quick question did Matt Peart play any guard last season? I know the Giants did a lot of moving players around but don’t recall if Peart played guard at all. I get that it wouldn’t be an ideal spot for a guy that big, I’m just curious.

I dont think Peart ever rotated in at guard.  not positive but i don't recall him doing that. 

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If Giant cut Solder his dead cap is $10.5mm. If they keep him he costs $16.5mm. So the decision isn't Solder for $16.5mm, its Solder playing RT for an additional $6mm. Not saying they should keep him at that price, just that the money they gain by cutting him isn't $16.5mm.

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Giants might get rid off Zeitler and Soldier... there are a lot of offensive lineman that will be on the market. Andrew Norwell (the guy Giants wanted before they signed Solder), Trai Turner and other are available.

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2 hours ago, Yenrub said:

Interesting. I thought he was gone but Giants like him as a blocker (mountain of a man) and he does good work as a 3rd TE in the jumbo sets. He really did work against Seattle if I remember, when Giants neutralized Jamal Adams by going 3 TE and just playing smashmouth football.

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Giants released Zeitler.

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Giants are releasing veteran guard Kevin Zeitler, clearing nearly $10 million in cap space. Even in a tough free agent market, Zeitler will be in demand considering how well he played.

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I am very surprised he got cut. Giants cap issues must be worse than I thought... starting to wonder if the Giants can even afford to go after Golladay.

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On 1/9/2021 at 2:24 PM, JAK Straw said:

I've seen some discussion that they may try and use Hernandez at RG, should they cut Zeitler for salary cap purposes.

And here we are. Looks scary but they had little choice after using the tag on Williams.

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7 hours ago, JAK Straw said:

And here we are. Looks scary but they had little choice after using the tag on Williams.

Unfortunately I think the Giants are going to have to draft an olineman in the 1st round 

Hernandez has been a bust, Lemiuex was a disaster and we wont have a proven RT. C and LT are still ?

Rashawn Slater is a beast that could play T or G 

PFF has him Ranked as the 12th bst player in the draft 

Slater allowed all of five pressures back in 2019 before opting out in 2020. At only 6-foot-3, he may get stuck inside, but we think he's more than athletic enough to hang on the edge.

 

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15 minutes ago, Yenrub said:

How DG and the Giants ended up in cap hell

Article by Ralph Vacchiano 

 

I can remember when people were trying to convince me that DG was going to fix the Giants cap issues. There weren't really any issues to fix but I was told DG was going to fix them.

He's the worst GM in the league IMO.  I hated the hire and he's done nothing at all to change my opinion.  It should amaze me that he still has a job, but Mara only hires friends and friends of friends so it's not surprising.  IMO the real problem starts with the trust fund baby.

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Rapoport: sounds like Tomlinson will be a priority

While appearing on the Giants Huddle podcast earlier this week, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport implied the Giants also view Tomlinson as a top priority and will do everything they can to re-sign him.

“It sounds like he is a priority [for the Giants],” Rapoport said. “Now I know he’s going to be coveted. If you’re a team like the Giants, you draft well enough where a mid-rounder becomes a really coveted free agent, that’s someone you’d like to keep. I think for Dalvin Tomlinson, the interesting thing for the Giants is not that he’s a very good player, he is a very good player, but he’s also a leader. You rarely have leaders on the defensive line. It just doesn’t always happen that way…

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34 minutes ago, kodycutter said:

Rapoport: sounds like Tomlinson will be a priority

While appearing on the Giants Huddle podcast earlier this week, NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport implied the Giants also view Tomlinson as a top priority and will do everything they can to re-sign him.

“It sounds like he is a priority [for the Giants],” Rapoport said. “Now I know he’s going to be coveted. If you’re a team like the Giants, you draft well enough where a mid-rounder becomes a really coveted free agent, that’s someone you’d like to keep. I think for Dalvin Tomlinson, the interesting thing for the Giants is not that he’s a very good player, he is a very good player, but he’s also a leader. You rarely have leaders on the defensive line. It just doesn’t always happen that way…

As much as DG & Judge preach about culture and having good guys in the locker room, they better figure out a way to bring Tomlinson back!

The dude is young, productive, doesn't miss games, he is a team captain and their Walter Payton man of the year candidate.

They let that guy go and I personally don’t ever want to hear any more bull#### from the Giants about “culture”

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On 3/11/2021 at 1:57 PM, monk said:

Unfortunately I think the Giants are going to have to draft an olineman in the 1st round 

Hernandez has been a bust, Lemiuex was a disaster and we wont have a proven RT. C and LT are still ?

Rashawn Slater is a beast that could play T or G 

PFF has him Ranked as the 12th bst player in the draft 

Slater allowed all of five pressures back in 2019 before opting out in 2020. At only 6-foot-3, he may get stuck inside, but we think he's more than athletic enough to hang on the edge.

 

Slater is 6-3 with 33 inch arms...thats a guard.   he doesn't fit the "giant profile" for a tackle.  Pugh had 32 inch arms.  

 I'd be surprised if he was the pick.

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Ian Rapoport
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The #Giants and OT Nate Solder have agreed in principle to a reworked deal to return to New York, source said, as NYG locks in the experienced tackle. The two sides are working out the final details, but Solder is staying barring any last-minute hiccups.

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19 hours ago, kodycutter said:

Slater is 6-3 with 33 inch arms...thats a guard.   he doesn't fit the "giant profile" for a tackle.  Pugh had 32 inch arms.  

 I'd be surprised if he was the pick.

They need a guard more than they need a tackle ... Just saying people believe he is athletic enough to play either 

Sick of passing on studs becaus ethey are gaurds ...Quenten Nelson , Sherff,  Martin ... if they need a lineman (they do) ...they should consider.

Pugh was a terrible pick no matter how you look at it 

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Dianna Russini
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The New York Giants have made a push to try to sign Leonard Floyd, per source. “Nothing done yet” I’m told.
Learned under Kevin Sherrer and Jeremy Pruitt at Georgia..

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15 minutes ago, kodycutter said:

Curtis Samuel to JAX  4 years $48mill

Corey Davis to NYJ  3 years $37.5mill

Golladay or draft....

I really thought Samuel would join Ron Rivera. JuJu or multiple WRs in the draft I guess....

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