bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
not true....the fact the knee cap popped means .......Typically the medial patellofemoral ligament (MPFL) is torn and is best repaired with surgery.
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QB Patrick Mahomes II, KC (5 Viewers)
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
he got hurt becase. denver dlinemans knee slammed into his knee cap....nothing to do with the ankle....complete fluke
Sigh... His knee was where it was based on how he was running, on a bad ankle he couldn't push off on properly in a play predicated on pushing through the pile.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Then he shouldn’t have been playing at all if his ankle was so jacked up that he was at that high of a risk of injuring something else due to compensating due to the injury.
Doug B
Footballguy
Right on.
Consider how many times throughout the league that a tailback slams into a stacked line. Then consider how often you hear about tailbacks suffering from a dislocated kneecap.
Unfortunately, I agree with this take. He is too young and too good to risk serious damage. Matt Moore is a capable, veteran backup.
Well there you go. He clearly was hobbled. They called a running play in a situation that wasnt necessary. If your tailback has a bum elbow you dont call a half back pass in the second quarter and have him throw the ball. Its just unnecessary and the risk isnt worth the reward.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Okay, they had one good night, against a terrible o-line. Do you think the defense is more likely to keep playing like that or more likely to play like it did the first six weeks?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe they got tired of being called trash.
i lost my crystal ball, so I don’t know. What I do know is that they have some players & those players appear to have some pride.
they still committed two brain dead penalties on 3rd downs on the 1st drive which led to Denver’s lone score, but after that they played lights out.
most importantly they shut down Denver’s run game, which was their Achilles heel.
Maybe it’ll start a trend. Who knows. But you can’t call them trash after a game like that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
From reading through this topic I’m amazed by all the talk of “he’ll likely shut it down and opt for the surgery”.
Apparently y’all have never seen a single interview with Mahomes.
he strikes me as more the Ronnie Lott “cut it off coach, I’m going back in the game!” type of player than the “show me the Benjamins, imma kick back and watch my team play” type of guy.
just based on playing taped through a high ankle sprain for 2+ weeks should tell you that.
dude is a gamer. If he can brace up & play, I guarantee you he’s gonna do that. I think it’s ridiculous to assume otherwise given what we’ve seen from Mahomes to date. Kid is a football player.
Apparently y’all have never seen a single interview with Mahomes.
he strikes me as more the Ronnie Lott “cut it off coach, I’m going back in the game!” type of player than the “show me the Benjamins, imma kick back and watch my team play” type of guy.
just based on playing taped through a high ankle sprain for 2+ weeks should tell you that.
dude is a gamer. If he can brace up & play, I guarantee you he’s gonna do that. I think it’s ridiculous to assume otherwise given what we’ve seen from Mahomes to date. Kid is a football player.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
thats not really his call....can he wear a brace an get off season surgery? sure....will the team jeopardize him? the chance of him getting reinjured and doing more damage is really high.....
ex-ghost
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Most folks in here have said “he should opt to get the surgery & not risk the paycheck” (paraphrasing)
and yeah - it probably is his call if it’s “play thorough it with a brace or get surgery.” as the options.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
whole-show
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Brady had 4 or 5 sneaks last week (2 for TDs) - he’s like 1100 years old.
rhat was a fluke injury. In several decades of watching football I can’t recall ever seeing a player get hurt on a sneak.
and they got the 1st down - which sustains the drive & leads to scores, which is the entire premise of the sport of football, so I think the risk was worth the reward.
easy to use hindsight to say it was an unnecessary risk, but if he converts & that doesn’t happen no one calls it a bad play call. No one. Not one person would say “I can’t believe they called that sneak!” - they’d just move on to the next play as though something totally normal happened.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d be stunned if he has a tear there and elects to play through it rather than have surgery right away.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Anyone close to Mahomes would want him to have the surgery vs playing on an unstable knee.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m interested because I have Mahomes in Dynasty & Hill in redraft.
and I’d be interested regardless because I’m a FF fantastic.
any other questions?
MAC_32
Footballguy
That is generally how athletes are wired. They want someone to tell them that they can play. Doesn't mean it's in their best interests though.
The if-then tree has a lot of branches on this one, but if he does not have ligament damage and is cleared week 13 and does not change how he plays then he will be at increased risk of a more significant injury. In that scenario he will probably change the way he plays, but it isn't off the table. And even an immobile 70...80% Mahomes is still at increased risk of injury relative to the previous version. It's not going to be stable again until after surgery, that's why it's necessary.
I hope there are enough rationale voices in his inner circle to say the potential reward is not worth the massive risk. He'll be just 24 years old opening day next year. He has a long, prosperous career in front of him if he just avoids serious injury.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If they say he can play through it, it’s not unstable.
its takes like these that seem premature.
I am not wanting Mahomes to risk further injury so my magical football team can do well.
i am just saying if he’s medically cleared to play & then have off-season surgery, I think he’ll do that because he’s a gamer.
Yes you’ve made that clear. Which is fine I respect that you put your opinions out there regardless of whether or not I agree with them and often times I do agree. Let’s see what happens brother.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He owns him in fantasy leagues, so he is only concerned about what Mahomes does for him between now and the end of this season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I like to think the Chiefs have top medical people who will help him make that determination.
You’re saying IF that’s the case.
what if it’s a low risk of further injury? Shut it down regardless because any risk is unacceptable?
as you said, many branches to the if-then. One of those branches is that it’s not a huge risk of further damage.
should he not play then?
everyone here seems to be dwelling on worst case scenarios (as usual)
MAC_32
Footballguy
Everything I’ve read has said that if there’s a tear he can rest and play through it with a brace at the increased risk of reinjuring and possibly causing serious long term injury. I guess we could argue the semantics of the word “unstable” but it is undoubtedly less stable.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not making a determination one way or the other because no one’s seen an update.
and I’m not saying what I want to happen.
I’m speculating on what might happen if the MRI comes back relatively clean. many athletes have opted to play through minor things & wait for surgery. in some corner cases that works out to be a terrible decision.
in many cases it works out ok. but we don’t know what his options are, so it seems premature for everyone to call for Mahomes to shut it down.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s a branch that says he can possibly play through it.
so that branch does exist.
but like everyone else, I wait with baited breath to see what his situation is.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Oof.
Yes, he can play through it...at increased risk of serious injury. Subluxation is what happened to Zach Miller, who almost lost his leg and his range of potential outcomes for that injury included death.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh for sure. Any ligament damage is going to effect the overall stability of the knee.
And sure - a bad low hit will undoubtedly result in further damage.
but then again, one bad low hit to a healthy knee could result in damage as well.
I don’t know what’s gonna happen. I’m of course hopeful he plays because 1. The NFL is more fun with him playing, 2. That means it’s the most minor form of the injury.
as a dynasty shareholder I also kind of hope he gets the surgery & shuts it down.
i’m not arguing what I want to happen - I’m just saying what I think he might do. Because football players are wired like that.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Dramatic much?
football is a violent sport. Every player is at risk Of serious injury on every play.
if he’s medically cleared to play through it, that would seem to indicate that his risk of death is not that high.
lets see what the update looks like later & then y’all can talk about death & dismemberment.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, the only league I have him is dynasty.
so I hope he shuts it down and gets surgery if he needs it because he’s more valuable to me over the long run.
as I’ve said several times: this isn’t about what I want. It’s what i speculate what might happen because football players want to play football.
see that quote up there? That’s you being 100% wrong, projecting something stupid that I never said.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Tyreek in one redraft.
mahomes in dynasty. If he needs surgery, I hope he gets it. Long terms health matters to me.
again - if y’all read the words I type instead of the mischaracterizations others have typed misrepresenting my words, you’d see what I’m saying.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
He will be 100% week 1 2020 if he gets the surgery now.Dramatic much?
football is a violent sport. Every player is at risk Of serious injury on every play.
if he’s medically cleared to play through it, that would seem to indicate that his risk of death is not that high.
lets see what the update looks like later & then y’all can talk about death & dismemberment.
He will not be 100% anytime in 2019, no matter what we find out today.
If he is given option 2 and chooses to play then his risk of not being 100% week 1 2020 increases. Nobody can quantify a number. But that article I linked provides some context about what those risks are. There wasn't anything dramatic about what I said about that range of potential outcomes either. I'm trying to write with facts in mind. For whatever reason you're not.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m also about facts.
and the fact is that we do not know what his options are right now because there’s been no update.
thats the only fact we have. That we don’t have the facts.
but please do continue discussing the level of risk for a player we don’t have a prognosis for.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hit by a bus.
electric toothbrushes can short out & electrocute you too I believe.
so many ways to die. We are but all one bad step from shedding this fragile mortal coil.
MAC_32
Footballguy
The best case is described in the article. Your refusal to accept it does not change that. It just makes you wrong.
houndirish
Footballguy
Just a shame to see this kid get shelved for a few weeks (best case). Mahomes is one of those guys that's just enjoyable to watch and easy to root for. Hopefully he avoided a major structural injury and can get back out there slinging it soon.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I haven’t refused to accept anything.
how many times do I have to say it? If he needs surgery, I hope he gets it. Because I have him on my dynasty team and want long-term health.
but if he’s cleared to play with a brace, that’s what i think he will do because he’s a football player and football players want to play football, even at risk of greater injruy
that’s me; speculating on what I think Mahomes will choose if he’s given that choice in that “best case scenario”.
there’s no right or wrong there. It’s a speculation. If he chooses one way or the other given one outcome or the other, we’ll know if my speculation was right or wrong. And I’m ok if it’s either.
is reading comprehension the problem for you here?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Absolutely agree. The NFL is more fun with Mahomes playing in it.
that’s me, selfishly hoping he can play this year.
