rockaction 23,020 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, travdogg said: The madden curse was always fake news. Most of the time it was just regression to the mean, which Mahomes also had. Side note, while Mahomes is obviously great, Andy Reid deserves a ton of credit here. Mahomes was a prospect many(most?) coaches would have tried to change. Didn't Reid move up in the draft to get him because he knew exactly who he wanted? That's scouting. Edited February 4, 2020 by rockaction 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
travdogg 2,998 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, rockaction said: Didn't Reid move up in the draft to get him because he knew exactly who he wanted? That's scouting. Yep. People forget this now, but there were a lot of draft analysts that weren’t sure Mahomes was a 1st rounder, as he came from a spread offense(Kingsbury’s offense) and was considered raw and reckless. I think very highly of Mahomes, but I think he is also a little like Drew Brees, where he also has the perfect coach for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,043 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Brett Veach, who was the assistant gm at the time, was pounding the table for Mahomes leading up to the draft. I think they said after the draft that they would have taken him with 1.1 if they had that pick. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bicycle_seat_sniffer 5,109 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 everyone in the bears front office and scouting departments should be fired Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 All signs point toward Patrick Mahomes going on a Tom Brady-like run with the Chiefs The mega-contract that Patrick Mahomes will command could be the only thing that could potentially prevent him from having a Brady-like run. Tom Brady gave the Patriots a hometown discount for many years and this allowed them to spend more in other places on building their roster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eNdblu 120 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Faust said: All signs point toward Patrick Mahomes going on a Tom Brady-like run with the Chiefs The mega-contract that Patrick Mahomes will command could be the only thing that could potentially prevent him from having a Brady-like run. Tom Brady gave the Patriots a hometown discount for many years and this allowed them to spend more in other places on building their roster. Mahomes needs to marry Kendall Jenner, the new highest paid supermodel in the world and also setup a shell company called PM15 that the Chiefs can funnel money to so he can take hometown discounts and build the next dynasty. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 Does Patrick Mahomes have the best three-season start to a career in NFL history? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ffmail4me 766 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 Finally own this man in one of my leagues. Gave up Julio, Deebo, Winston, and Haskins for Mahomes and 2.3 pick (12 team PPR dynasty) At first I thought I gave up a lot but having him as my starting QB the next decade (along with Hill, Hardman and Kelce) could pay huge dividends. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stinkin Ref 1,297 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, ffmail4me said: Finally own this man in one of my leagues. Gave up Julio, Deebo, Winston, and Haskins for Mahomes and 2.3 pick (12 team PPR dynasty) At first I thought I gave up a lot but having him as my starting QB the next decade (along with Hill, Hardman and Kelce) could pay huge dividends. I think you stole him....the 2.3 is gravy.....it really only came down to Mahomes for Julio/Deebo..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 Quote Chiefs coach Andy Reid expects Patrick Mahomes to avoid surgery on his kneecap. "Right now he looks good," Reid said. Even with the understanding that he would play through the injury, post-season surgery was always considered a possibility after Mahomes went down in Week 8. It's still possible the Chiefs decide between now and camp that it is in Mahomes' best long-term interest to go under the knife. SOURCE: Adam Teicher on Twitter Feb 25, 2020, 1:18 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted March 2, 2020 Author Share Posted March 2, 2020 Mahomes in 'injury prevention' mode this offseason Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 Patrick Mahomes Says He Didn't Understand How To Read Defenses Until Last Season Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 Quote Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports Patrick Mahomes "isn’t going to do a deal early just because the Chiefs want to." Kansas City obviously wants to extend Mahomes for the long-term, but there are non-football factors playing into the exact timing of that extension. The Super Bowl MVP is reportedly waiting for the new CBA to be implemented and could be waiting until after the NFL signs their new television deals, too. Mahomes will be the highest-paid player in league's history regardless of when a deal is reached, but it sounds like he's going to be strategically patient with the salary cap expected to climb. SOURCE: Sports Illustrated Mar 10, 2020, 6:23 PM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 Patrick Mahomes practicing ridiculous plays in video Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted April 18, 2020 Author Share Posted April 18, 2020 Kansas City boasts three elite options in our 2020 fantasy football projections Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted April 30, 2020 Author Share Posted April 30, 2020 Quote Chiefs exercised QB Patrick Mahomes' fifth-year option. Mahomes is now under contract through 2021. It remains to be seen when the NFL's best player will sign his inevitable ground-breaking deal and become the league's highest-paid QB. Mahomes is an ill-timed offsides penalty away from potentially being a back-to-back Super Bowl champion. Mahomes' off-script magic, combined with coach Andy Reid's always-excellent scheme, figures to continue to give defenses fits for many years to come. SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Apr 30, 2020, 11:22 AM ET Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 IS PATRICK MAHOMES WORTHY OF A QB1 SELECTION? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted June 11, 2020 Author Share Posted June 11, 2020 Players who will shape 2020 NFL season: We may not have seen the true ceiling of Patrick Mahomes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Faust 5,005 Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 Game-By-Game Projections: Patrick Mahomes (2020 Fantasy Football) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Frankman 3,300 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Quote Chiefs signed QB Patrick Mahomes to a 10-year extension through 2031. Ten-year contracts are literally unheard of in the NFL, but if anybody is worth one, it's certainly last year's Super Bowl MVP. Turning 25 in September, Mahomes won the regular-season MVP award in 2018, leading the league with 50 touchdown passes. He took a step back from a statistical perspective last year, but Mahomes put the team on his back when it mattered most in the playoffs, leading multiple postseason comebacks en route to the Chiefs' first Super Bowl title since 1969. Mahomes is on the fast track of becoming the best quarterback in history. The Chiefs had just one player signed through 2024 -- K Harrison Butker -- and Mahomes is inked seven years past that. He's tied to Kansas City https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1280213581628411905 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IHEARTFF 1,043 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 wow good for him Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,319 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Obviously the longest contract in NFL history. Has NBA ever hit that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Frankman 3,300 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Deamon said: Obviously the longest contract in NFL history. Has NBA ever hit that? Magic Johnson of the Lakers had a 25 year, $25m dollar contract he signed in 1981; It was later re-structured to 10 years. Edited July 6, 2020 by The Frankman 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
spider321 1,124 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Mahomes may regret this in a few years, if QB salaries increase significantly. ...unless he negotiated his salary to be a certain percentage of the cap each year. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GroveDiesel 9,082 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Whoa. Gonna be interesting to see what the numbers look like. Are the numbers so crazy that Mahomes was good signing for that long, or did he take a bit of a discount for a long term deal that other younger QBs aren’t going to be thrilled with? Man, the Bills trading that pick is always going to hurt if you’re a Bills fan... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,319 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Frankman said: Magic Johnson of the Lakers had a 25 year, $25m dollar contract he signed in 1981; It was later re-structured to 10 years. Oh damn. had no idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 2,348 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Have no idea on the source but saw on Twitter 200 million gtd Player opt out clause after year 6 Might be some big performance bonuses If he took a 6 year 33 million per year deal the Chiefs got off easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,319 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Milkman said: Have no idea on the source but saw on Twitter 200 million gtd Player opt out clause after year 6 Might be some big performance bonuses If he took a 6 year 33 million per year deal the Chiefs got off easy. link please? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon 5,319 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, spider321 said: Mahomes may regret this in a few years, if QB salaries increase significantly. ...unless he negotiated his salary to be a certain percentage of the cap each year. 🤷♂️ Apparently it's linked to the salary cap. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GroveDiesel 9,082 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Schefter just tweeted out that reports are it will be tied to a percentage of the salary cap for a lot of the years. I think that may be a first. Not sure how you even account for that when doing the rest of your deals going forward. Makes sense for both sides probably though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 6,135 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 It will be interesting how the Chiefs fare with a QB on a top of the market deal vs. a rookie deal. They also need to extend some other guys. In the salary cap era, teams that have paid top of the market for a QB have been less successful then when the QB was on a rookie deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zeeshan2 350 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Worth over 400M https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1280229404589862918?s=09 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KChusker 240 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: It will be interesting how the Chiefs fare with a QB on a top of the market deal vs. a rookie deal. They also need to extend some other guys. In the salary cap era, teams that have paid top of the market for a QB have been less successful then when the QB was on a rookie deal. Drafting well becomes even more important Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LawFitz 1,071 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I foresee % of cap contracts becoming the norm eventually. Less risk of players suddenly becoming unhappy with deal terms midway through. And adds a measure of accountability to the rest of the team for any star player, as it is much more clearly defined what % of team value they are individually extracting. You are an X% player, huh. Okay, let's see you provide that value to us, especially in cases where cap flexibility is built in for the team, should a player not produce that value. Just seems simpler all around for everyone involved. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Dufresne 11,632 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 No CEO is worth that much money. Oh, wait... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GroveDiesel 9,082 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Mahomes’s new deal would take him through 2031. Ezekiel Elliot currently holds the longest contract in the NFL and his deal only takes him through 2026. Pretty incredible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zeeshan2 350 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 450M! https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1280245527955812354 Edited July 6, 2020 by zeeshan2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KChusker 240 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 No cap percentage==I see this as a W The deal will be a steal in 4 years Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rockaction 23,020 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 hours ago, GroveDiesel said: Whoa. Gonna be interesting to see what the numbers look like. Are the numbers so crazy that Mahomes was good signing for that long, or did he take a bit of a discount for a long term deal that other younger QBs aren’t going to be thrilled with? Man, the Bills trading that pick is always going to hurt if you’re a Bills fan... Picking a safety with their pick is always going to haunt Jets fans, Jamal Adams or not Jamal Adams. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShamrockPride 5,292 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 It was a good run KC. Hope you all enjoy your 1 championship. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KChusker 240 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 15 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said: It was a good run KC. Hope you all enjoy your 1 championship. It will be a steal less than halfway through the deal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IheartGuinness 450 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, ShamrockPride said: It was a good run KC. Hope you all enjoy your 1 championship. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GordonGekko 308 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, spider321 said: Mahomes may regret this in a few years, if QB salaries increase significantly. ...unless he negotiated his salary to be a certain percentage of the cap each year. 🤷♂️ Thanks Edited July 7, 2020 by GordonGekko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KChusker 240 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Mahomes in 2 years has literally not lost a game by more than 7 points In 2 games with no Mahomes we went 1-1 against 2 teams that won playoff games One offsides penalty away from a repeat Texans got spotted 24 points and still got blown out Bring it on and watch us repeat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zeeshan2 350 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Rapoport reporting something else: The #Chiefs and QB Patrick Mahomes have agreed to terms on a 10-year extension worth $503 million, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. He gets $477M in guarantee mechanisms and gives the ability for Mahomes to have outs if the guarantee mechanisms aren’t exercised. No trade clause — Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) July 6, 2020 https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1280261912568172553?ref_src=twsrc^tfw Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GordonGekko 308 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, KChusker said: The deal will be a steal in 4 years Thanks Edited July 7, 2020 by GordonGekko Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KChusker 240 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, GordonGekko said: Probably not. I like Mahomes and the Chiefs made as good a bet as any team could make if they were committed to making one in the first place. Cold hard reality - The front office structure who signed Mahomes to this deal will 99.999999999 percent not be there to see the end of the deal. Or even close to the end of the deal. Very long sports contracts are usually a function of a trade off ( i.e. I'm buying the first 4-5 years of that long term deal, knowing the last 2-3-4 years will be ugly, but who cares since I won't be here anyway) Look across modern sports history, how many 8-10 year type deals have worked out for those teams? Father Time is undefeated. And that's the core issue here. Mahomes is now in a constant fight with Father Time for the Chiefs to realize full value in this deal. He is 24 years old, and QB shelf lives are longer than ever before with how protected they are Three years ago Derek Carr set the market at 25 million per year. And here we are at 45 million. If you want to take the bet that we don't easily cross 45 million in the next 5 years be my guest. The pandemic will be a short term issue for the cap (one year--two years max) until the new TV deal comes in at the end of 2022 and the cap--and with it QB salaries--spike like they did for the NBA's TV deal 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Holloway 364 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Dam Prescott is smiling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anarchy99 6,135 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, KChusker said: He is 24 years old, and QB shelf lives are longer than ever before with how protected they are Three years ago Derek Carr set the market at 25 million per year. And here we are at 45 million. If you want to take the bet that we don't easily cross 45 million in the next 5 years be my guest. The pandemic will be a short term issue for the cap (one year--two years max) until the new TV deal comes in at the end of 2022 and the cap--and with it QB salaries--spike like they did for the NBA's TV deal The more top QBs get paid, the more valuable the young bucks on rookie deals will become. Mahomes will be getting 10-15x what the next big thing will be getting. Sure, Mahomes is good, but not as good as a hot shot youngster and $40+ million spent on other players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wigglytuff's Gruff 31 Posted July 6, 2020 Share Posted July 6, 2020 'Mahomes may regret this in a few years.' Haha. Yeah. He'll look back and rue this day for sure. The day he became worth half a billion dollars. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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