His value hasn’t dropped to anyone who owns him, and he is in a tier by himself. Maybe a couple tier breaks ahead of the rest of the league right now.Thinking of making a play for Mahomes. Value may? have taken a hit with the apparent loss of some weapons. Anyone seen any recent deals or care to put him into a tier with his contemporaries?
Afraid of that... We're in agreement.His value hasn’t dropped to anyone who owns him, and he is in a tier by himself. Maybe a couple tier breaks ahead of the rest of the league right now.
And I say that as someone who owns zero shares and hasn't been trying to acquire him.Afraid of that... We're in agreement.
Counter point: How many of those had said historic season in their first year as a starter?can anyone point to a time in history where a football player equalled or bested a record-setting year in the year immediately following it?
I can't. lets not forget the regression to the mean that's bound to happen. we keep saying what Brady or Manning did doesn't affect this guy, but we've said that for every person everytime someone sets or breaks a record.they never,ever, come close to repeating it again.
Brady tossed 50 td in 2007, never threw more than 39 in any season since.
P. Manning threw 49 Tds in '04,never threw more than 33 in any season since.
OJ Simpson didn't repeat his 2k season, neither did Lt2, cj2k, etc.in fact, none of them outside of OJ , even came close.
take away the 2nd or 3rd best WR in the NFL ( Hill) for at least 8-game suspension, throw in a JAG at RB named D. Williams, the 5th toughest schedule in the NFL in 2019, A. Reid a coach on the hot seat ( SB win or be fired), no-name 2nd and 3rd level oft-injured WRs, and a porous defense switching to a new scheme.
I'm betting anyone who'll take the action, that Mahomes throws no more than 35 TD and probably no more than 4500-ish yards. he simply cannot play at the same level - he might be good but we've seen plenty good players who've never repeated seasons like Mahomes 2018.
he's still a top 5 QB, but calling him the #1 QB in the NFL is hogwash.I'll take A. Luck or Drew Brees or Watson any day, all day, and twice on Sundays over Mahomes.
Chiefs go 8-8 or 9-7.Teams adjust and scheme all off-season to stop Mahomes. Denver's D will be better, Raiders are improving, SD is a SB contender, while KC has gotten significantly weaker with pending suspension of Hill.Dont say that won't matter , it's going to cripple Mahomes' stats.
The NFL’s first rushing yards leader was Cliff Battles, who led the league with 576 yards. The following year he jacked this up a full 28%, finishing with 737 yards. Alas, he failed to re-set his own record, as Jim Musick posted 809.can anyone point to a time in history where a football player equalled or bested a record-setting year in the year immediately following it?
Earl Campbell's 1st three seasonscan anyone point to a time in history where a football player equalled or bested a record-setting year in the year immediately following it?
I can't. lets not forget the regression to the mean that's bound to happen. we keep saying what Brady or Manning did doesn't affect this guy, but we've said that for every person everytime someone sets or breaks a record.they never,ever, come close to repeating it again.
Brady tossed 50 td in 2007, never threw more than 39 in any season since.
P. Manning threw 49 Tds in '04,never threw more than 33 in any season since.
OJ Simpson didn't repeat his 2k season, neither did Lt2, cj2k, etc.in fact, none of them outside of OJ , even came close.
take away the 2nd or 3rd best WR in the NFL ( Hill) for at least 8-game suspension, throw in a JAG at RB named D. Williams, the 5th toughest schedule in the NFL in 2019, A. Reid a coach on the hot seat ( SB win or be fired), no-name 2nd and 3rd level oft-injured WRs, and a porous defense switching to a new scheme.
I'm betting anyone who'll take the action, that Mahomes throws no more than 35 TD and probably no more than 4500-ish yards. he simply cannot play at the same level - he might be good but we've seen plenty good players who've never repeated seasons like Mahomes 2018.
he's still a top 5 QB, but calling him the #1 QB in the NFL is hogwash.I'll take A. Luck or Drew Brees or Watson any day, all day, and twice on Sundays over Mahomes.
Chiefs go 8-8 or 9-7.Teams adjust and scheme all off-season to stop Mahomes. Denver's D will be better, Raiders are improving, SD is a SB contender, while KC has gotten significantly weaker with pending suspension of Hill.Dont say that won't matter , it's going to cripple Mahomes' stats.
Manning went 37, 55, 39 with the Broncos.....after the ‘04 seasoncan anyone point to a time in history where a football player equalled or bested a record-setting year in the year immediately following it?
I can't. lets not forget the regression to the mean that's bound to happen. we keep saying what Brady or Manning did doesn't affect this guy, but we've said that for every person everytime someone sets or breaks a record.they never,ever, come close to repeating it again.
Brady tossed 50 td in 2007, never threw more than 39 in any season since.
P. Manning threw 49 Tds in '04,never threw more than 33 in any season since.
OJ Simpson didn't repeat his 2k season, neither did Lt2, cj2k, etc.in fact, none of them outside of OJ , even came close.
take away the 2nd or 3rd best WR in the NFL ( Hill) for at least 8-game suspension, throw in a JAG at RB named D. Williams, the 5th toughest schedule in the NFL in 2019, A. Reid a coach on the hot seat ( SB win or be fired), no-name 2nd and 3rd level oft-injured WRs, and a porous defense switching to a new scheme.
I'm betting anyone who'll take the action, that Mahomes throws no more than 35 TD and probably no more than 4500-ish yards. he simply cannot play at the same level - he might be good but we've seen plenty good players who've never repeated seasons like Mahomes 2018.
he's still a top 5 QB, but calling him the #1 QB in the NFL is hogwash.I'll take A. Luck or Drew Brees or Watson any day, all day, and twice on Sundays over Mahomes.
Chiefs go 8-8 or 9-7.Teams adjust and scheme all off-season to stop Mahomes. Denver's D will be better, Raiders are improving, SD is a SB contender, while KC has gotten significantly weaker with pending suspension of Hill.Dont say that won't matter , it's going to cripple Mahomes' stats.
Your arguments on regression to the mean are valid. Mahomes will likely not blow up on a weekly basis but he should be very good and still have those weeks where he can carry a team. That's the kind of automatic play I want on my roster. I'll settle for top 5; calling anyone the #1 is unnecessary.he's still a top 5 QB, but calling him the #1 QB in the NFL is hogwash.I'll take A. Luck or Drew Brees or Watson any day, all day, and twice on Sundays over Mahomes.
Good posting....not sure there is FF player alive that thinks there won’t be regression...its hard not to have regression from what he did last year.....but then I also think there is the thought that “maybe” he could just keep going nuts fantasy wise....Your arguments on regression to the mean are valid. Mahomes will likely not blow up on a weekly basis but he should be very good and still have those weeks where he can carry a team. That's the kind of automatic play I want on my roster. I'll settle for top 5; calling anyone the #1 is unnecessary.
Love Drew, but 2019 Brees is not in the same stratosphere as Mahomes as a dynasty asset. Watson gets the crap kicked out of him. I own Luck and Mahomes in one league and will move/release one for cap reasons. I intend to keep Mahomes based on age and Luck's injury history but can understand anyone's preference for Luck.
Is there evidence of this or are you just speculating. Didn't Reid win the power struggle with Dorsey and install one of his guys as GM?can anyone point to a time in history where a football player equalled or bested a record-setting year in the year immediately following it?
I can't. lets not forget the regression to the mean that's bound to happen. we keep saying what Brady or Manning did doesn't affect this guy, but we've said that for every person everytime someone sets or breaks a record.they never,ever, come close to repeating it again.
Brady tossed 50 td in 2007, never threw more than 39 in any season since.
P. Manning threw 49 Tds in '04,never threw more than 33 in any season since.
OJ Simpson didn't repeat his 2k season, neither did Lt2, cj2k, etc.in fact, none of them outside of OJ , even came close.
take away the 2nd or 3rd best WR in the NFL ( Hill) for at least 8-game suspension, throw in a JAG at RB named D. Williams, the 5th toughest schedule in the NFL in 2019, A. Reid a coach on the hot seat ( SB win or be fired), no-name 2nd and 3rd level oft-injured WRs, and a porous defense switching to a new scheme.
I'm betting anyone who'll take the action, that Mahomes throws no more than 35 TD and probably no more than 4500-ish yards. he simply cannot play at the same level - he might be good but we've seen plenty good players who've never repeated seasons like Mahomes 2018.
he's still a top 5 QB, but calling him the #1 QB in the NFL is hogwash.I'll take A. Luck or Drew Brees or Watson any day, all day, and twice on Sundays over Mahomes.
Chiefs go 8-8 or 9-7.Teams adjust and scheme all off-season to stop Mahomes. Denver's D will be better, Raiders are improving, SD is a SB contender, while KC has gotten significantly weaker with pending suspension of Hill.Dont say that won't matter , it's going to cripple Mahomes' stats.
In Dan Marino's first season as the starter, he blew up for 5084 yds and 48 TD's. He came close just 2 yrs later with 4746 and 44Counter point: How many of those had said historic season in their first year as a starter?
I would be shocked if Reid was fired if they did not win the Super Bowl. Hopefully if that happened Detroit would hire him and then we could suffer making it to the playoffs every year.Is there evidence of this or are you just speculating. Didn't Reid win the power struggle with Dorsey and install one of his guys as GM?
The list of coaches with more job security than Reid is pretty short....like maybe oneIs there evidence of this or are you just speculating. Didn't Reid win the power struggle with Dorsey and install one of his guys as GM?
Great example. Even though Marino played majority of year, still valid comp.In Dan Marino's first season as the starter, he blew up for 5084 yds and 48 TD's. He came close just 2 yrs later with 4746 and 44
Patrick Mahomes says he has improved his conditioning this offseason.
"I’ve gotten more muscular and (have) less baby fat, I guess you would say," Mahomes said. "So that’s been the big thing for me — sculpting my body in the best way possible so I can go through the season and feel just as fresh at the end as I did at the beginning." Mahomes said he is still at his 2018 weight. Getting in better shape is always a good idea for an NFL player, but especially one like Mahomes who took some big shots during his MVP 2018.
SOURCE: Yahoo Sports
Jul 2, 2019, 3:57 PM ET
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
I have Mahomes and Hill in a 2 player keeper league. I'm currently pretty happy.I’m going to be the guy who takes him in the first round. If Tyreek the freak is going 16 games, the guy throwing him passes is going to score more fantasy points than everybody else.
Is it possible to go Hill / Mahomes at the turn?
I would think it’s possible.I’m going to be the guy who takes him in the first round. If Tyreek the freak is going 16 games, the guy throwing him passes is going to score more fantasy points than everybody else.
Is it possible to go Hill / Mahomes at the turn?
OverO/U on Mahomes passing attempts this year? He threw it 580 times last year fwiw.
Well if you think he'll throw more and I agree then you got to think Tyreek will have and even better year than he had last year. 50 will be tough to duplicate but I think Mahomes has a better chance than any QB to throw 50 TDs back to back.Over
- Last year, they were so efficient at scoring, they only needed 996 total plays to become the 3rd highest scoring team ever. Since I doubt they can keep up that pace, I expect more total plays, and that includes passing. Can he hit 50 again? Doubtful, but over 580 attempts shouldn't be hard at all. Kareem Hunt is a great pass-catching RB, but an even better runner. That's not the case for Damien, who is better at receiving.
Kent Swanson @kent_swanson
You can say "Mahomes looks great." and everyone will rightfully say "Duh."
I'm telling you, it's different.
BJ Kissel @ChiefsReporter
Patrick Mahomes is ridiculous. That’s all.
Drops sidearm after stepping up and to the left in the pocket and fires a dart in traffic to Tyreek Hill, who was coming across the field on the far side.
It’s like watching a video game in person.
BJ Kissel @ChiefsReporter
Patrick Mahomes TD bomb to Tyreek Hill. 60-plus yards in the air. Rinse and repeat.
A few plays later, Mahomes throws another one deep to Byron Pringle.
#ShowTime
According to ff calc, his ADP over the last month has been going up slightly.Curious. Has his adp been rising or staying put? Nothing but raves out of camp so far.