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WR Kenny Golladay, NYG (3 Viewers)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Yeah I wouldn't bother drafting him in redraft leagues this year... it he should get on the field in 3wr sets this year..Stealthycat said:
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
when was the last time a rookie Lions WR dominated ? just being real
Calvin Johnson before Jim Caldwell arrived, opened up his Herminator playbook, started kicking FGs and losing and made Calvin give up & retire.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
1 HOF WR excelled as a rookie in DET
and that is why you do NOT get all hyped up about a WR like Golladay
or any rookie WR for that matter, because only a few of them hit and in DET not so many at all
and that is why you do NOT get all hyped up about a WR like Golladay
or any rookie WR for that matter, because only a few of them hit and in DET not so many at all
flapgreen
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Take it to the give up thread. The only thing that makes me hesitate with Kenny g is he is already 24, so he may be at his ceiling, but big fast and huuuuge hands.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Well I was referring to the Calvin Johnson statement. Caldwell isn't going to be there for much longer anyway.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Agreed but he did have a younger break out age in college so I'm not as worried as I would be if it was lets say his senior year. His breakout age was 19.8 btw according to player profiler.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Say what? Calvin was good as a rookie, but he didn't dominate. He wad the 3rd most productive WR on the Lions that year. Add to that, Caldwell has taken the Lions to the playoffs 2 of his 3 years as a coach. That is a lot better than any other coach the Lions had during the Calvin era. Calvin had 1500 and 12 in 14 games during his first year with Caldwell so I'm not sure how he was limited by Caldwell.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I know you posted this in June, but they've given boldins locker away so he doesn't appear to be in the plans. Someone needs what Ricky proehl was to Kurt Warner- a solid reliable old man strong wr4.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I doubt anyone thinks Golladay is going to "dominate" as a rookie. This is a dynasty thread.
squistion
Footballguy
That was a straw man argument as no one has said or implied that.Dr. Octopus said:
However, some people think he might have some fantasy appeal this season, particularly if Marvin Jones struggles again as he did after the first few weeks of 2016.
In any event, his dynasty stock has been steadily rising from a 3rd in rookie drafts to as low as the early 2nd in some leagues.
Because the idiot named Mike Martz was too busy signing and playing AzHakim and ignoring a superior WR.
Caldwell doesn't have what it takes to win in the playoffs. he coaches scared. Would rather take the 3 points and be down 4 than throw into the EZ and tie the game with a TD. He's had 1 good season and has gone downhill since then. 9-7 is nothing to write home about & they were in full reverse at the end of he season.
Let's see if Caldwell has the balls to throw into the EZ. He ignored Calvin so many times it was criminal, all to end up with a FG and a loss. As a new Golladay owner, I sure hope they fire him.Faust said:
Hankmoody
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
That was the straw man. He implied by asking the question, that someone had made that assertion - but no one had.
Hankmoody
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squistion
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Futz
Footballguy
It would be easy to say "consider who he's playing against" (back up reference) but the types of catches he's made in this game are big time on any level of football. He showed really good concentration and body control. He's trying to win the ball which rookies aren't always apt to do right away. They are used to running freely in college and are bigger and faster than the competition so that they don't need to fight for the ball. He kind of reminds me of a slightly taller Keenan Allen. Lanky but with fluid body control and sticky hands.
I'll say this, between Golladay and this rookie TE Michael Roberts, they will be much better in the redzone this year. Stafford is the real winner and is creeping up my board.
I'll say this, between Golladay and this rookie TE Michael Roberts, they will be much better in the redzone this year. Stafford is the real winner and is creeping up my board.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I believe he was going against Quincy Wilson the whole time. Wilson was a 2nd round pick this year and is projected to start. So he wasn't beating up on a great player, but it's no 4th string practice squad guy either. As for Roberts, he stunk. I am sure it will take awhile for him to be ready. TEs are notoriously slow at developing.
Futz
Footballguy
He fumbled twice with one recovered, true. These are pretty common first game rookie year jitters and lessons. However, he jumps off the screen with his size 6' 4" 270, scored 16 TDs last year in college and almost set the record at the combine for having the biggest hands EVER recorded. This makes me a bit giddy at his red zone possibilities. It's early and speculative,but if I were in dynasty, I'd be watching both of these guys closely. I might even take a late round flyer on Golladay in a redraft as a bye week TD prayer.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
I haven't really watched Golladay so the preseason highlights are my first impression of him.
I agree with you about the body control. On his first TD reception he is almost running backwards and he gets position on the ball without losing concentration. The second TD was a similar type of play where the QB is underthrowing him a bit and he is able to box the defender out coming back to the ball.
I definitely thought he looked good on these plays, it is somewhat of a risky throw at the same time though if a defender is able to get in front of him. Making plays like this consistently will earn the QBs trust to take these risks though.
His second TD was against Tevin Mitchel.
It's true that his size is imposing as possible red zone weapon but the issues with the fumbling and drops have been something plaguing him all during camp.
I did a draft today which was going on during the game and someone took Golladay in round 16 so he's popped up on redraft radar.
Futz
Footballguy
Now see I don't think QBs trust players with that throw (especially rookies) unless he's proving reliable in practice.
And some HC's truest even less. John Fox, long gone Jeff Fisher, Marvin Lewis, the clown in Detroit. Golladay should start. Jones is so bland.
WagesOfZin
Footballguy
When trying to evaluate dynasty value for rookies, one thing I always look for is a steady stream of reports that "player X" stood out, starting in mini camp and running through the preseason. When a player generates a consistent amount of buzz, I take note.
This would be one of those times I've taken note. Don't sleep on this guy. Don't expect him to start games for you in 2017, but this amount of consistent positive press is attention worthy.
This would be one of those times I've taken note. Don't sleep on this guy. Don't expect him to start games for you in 2017, but this amount of consistent positive press is attention worthy.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
That is a good point and I guess the silver lining related to my observation.
As always I am a Vikings fan, so I am viewing this from a perspective of how will the Vikings defense stop him. Being aware of this tendency could cause defenders to play technique that will allow them to undercut those routes. There is give an take with everything. If the defensive backs play more even with him so they can undercut his route on these throws behind him, then that opens things up for him to beat them over the top.
It is a good skill to have and I agree with you about him already earning trust with the QB and coaches from practice for them to execute these plays.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
And he's got Mike Williams at #12. Not #12 overall, which might make a bit of sense. At #12 amongst WRs. Reactionary might be kind. Silly.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If your dynasty rankings change that dramatically before a single game has been played, what's the point? Seems they are way too redraft orientated if you are going to dock a guy for missing the first month that much.SayWhat? said:
socrates
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why is that an ugly offer? Jones is arguably the more valuable player. I can see preferring Golloday (even before this recent news), but Jones was drafted well ahead of him in most rookie drafts.
The Captain
Footballguy
Lions homer here and I'm fully on board the hype train. Just dealt Carroo and 2018 2nd for Kenny in one league and Tyrell Williams straight up in another. Over paid in both for now. Hoping these deals turn into steals down the road.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I'm not a fan of Jones at all, he's a taller Tyler Boyd. Both of whom I don't like. He'll have 1 or 2 good seasons I bet, but at best he's Stevie Johnson. I'd rather take the at best of Golladay who could be a featured #1.
