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TE Gerald Everett, CHI (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I think San Fran wins going away, but that means they have to throw a lot, benefits Higbee.
Todem
Footballguy
I am going to disagree with you. Before his injury he looked outstanding. Higbee is an outstanding blocker. Hence the extension. Everret is a prototypical stretch TE who is a better receiver.
This story is not over going into 2020 for dynasty.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
So who is the better play this week.......asking for a friend
kittenmittens
Footballguy
As a multi league Higbee owner I hope this is the case, but IMO it's still up in the air. I don't think the Rams mind the two splitting receiving production the way we do.Ministry of Pain said:
-OZ-
Footballguy
You can pretty much guarantee they don't mind having two good TE. They have a lot of weapons on offense, but they haven't been able to pull it together consistently this year.
Frankly, the Rams are the most disappointing team this year IMO.
Todem
Footballguy
Yeah they have that classic Super Bowl hangover complex this season. So hot and cold. And Goff has been...so inconsistent and the OL play has really hurt them to be frank.
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The Frankman
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I was hoping he'd get dealt when I recently traded for Everett, but Cooks being traded instead is still a net-positive for every other Rams receiver. Even moreso if they use the 2nd they got on an OL prospect, or if it allows them to use their 1st on one.
rockaction
Footballguy
I inherited him on my dynasty team. I like his talent, it's just that his situation begs for a little change in some way. I do not think Josh Reynolds will get Cooks's targets, so they've got to go somewhere, and I'm not sure Kupp and Woods aren't already seeing max. What bodes well for Everett potentially? The loss of the Rams's established running game. There may be more two tight end sets where Everett flexes. We'll see. It comforts me a bit that you traded for him and aren't stuck with him, but rather, wanted him on your squad. So did I.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I find myself hoping that McVay uses Everett as the guy who finds the gap between the 2nd and 3rd level of the defense up the seam, now that they're lacking Cooks as the field-stretcher.
This is something McVay did with Reed in Washington often. But you need a reliable guy at TE with that skill-set to build around it in your offense, so once Reed became unreliable it fell out of the offense, and it's not something they've done a ton of in STL in the past until last year. Higbee can block so we have to hope Everett is used more down the field. Together they could be dangerous, and if Higbee misses time Everett rockets up the rankings.
Maybe because 3 games is not much of a sample and we've not even had the draft yet but let's review those games.
Cooks missed two whole games and played 3 snaps in another before getting his bell rung. I'm going to call it 3 missed games. Woods also missed a game during that time which I'll cover.
Everett: got career high 12 targets in one of those games. That's the good news. Another game he got 3 targets and in the third game got banged up and played limited snaps. He got 98 snaps in those 3 games, 16 targets, 11 catches and 103 yards. This is an Everett thread and I think Cooks absence opens up more possibility for two TE sets so I'd take it as good news, especially with the huge game he dropped, but as I break this down further he does not appear to be the biggest winner on the Rams.
Higbee: did absolutely nothing. One game he literally played 42 snaps and did not get a target. He played 101 snaps in those 3 games, got 5 targets, 4 catches for 30 yards. He actually did not break out until Cooks returned so that's a little cause for concern but to be fair he dropped a big game on Seattle when Cooks had returned but only played 27 snaps.
Kupp: he was all over the board, kinda like Everett. Had a monster 7/220/1 game, which was the game Cooks played 3 snaps. Then went into the toilet the other two games putting up a goose egg the following week and a 3/53 the next week. Total tally in those 3 games: 185 snaps, 17 targets, 10/253/1. FWIW in his 13 games with Cooks he averaged 55 snaps so his snaps went up just a touch, but not the production. Also that SEA game I referenced when Cooks only got 27 snaps and 2 targets, that game Kupp only got 20 snaps.
Woods: he missed a game himself so he just had two games without Cooks. 2 games, 138 snaps, 13 targets, 9/131. Had a really solid outing and a really poor one.
Reynolds: 180 snaps, 19 targets, 9/177/1. Key to note Reynolds did NOT get a snap count bump when Woods was out meaning not a bump over the two other games Cooks missed that Woods played. But he did get his 3 highest snap count games of the season the 3 weeks Cooks missed and his first, second and tied for third most targets. Also I mentioned a few times the SEA game were Cooks only got 27 snaps and Kupp got 20. He got no targets in that game but he did see his 4th most snaps. In the 13 full games Brandin Cooks played he got 5.5 targets a game on 55 snaps. In the 3 games Cooks missed Reynolds averaged 60 snaps and 6.3 targets a game. In the other 12 games Reynolds played without Cooks he averaged 25.9 snaps and 2 targets a game.
Reynolds was no world beater, a new year could be a new scheme and draft has not even happened yet, but based on what I saw last year it does seem to me that the guy on the Rams most likely to soak up Cooks snaps and targets is in fact Reynolds.
rockaction
Footballguy
Reynolds was an FA in our league and the auction got too steep for my blood because I had to revamp a defense with the FA bucks I had. But I wanted him because I figured they'd be moving on from Cooks. C'est la vie.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Still wouldn't be surprised at all if Everett were dealt. Long term, he won't be a Ram and could net a nice pick return given what he's shown flashes of and a weak TE class.
Rams dealt a couple firsts for Ramsey I believe and in dire need to picks to address other holes. (Still owe Ramsey a new contract, which I don't think many will disagree that will come before Everett). Everett's gonna make some cash on his next deal barring injury IMO.
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daveR
Footballguy
As the year went on, they countered the 6-1 defense by using more 2-TE sets. So, I have to ask when the games you are quoting your stats from took place. If they were late in the season, I'm on board. If they were early on, I'd tend to disregard the numbers, suggesting instead that the TEs together were the beneficiaries.
The games I used were the two weeks Cooks missed and the game he played 3 snaps which covers weeks 8, 10,11.daveR said:
Now I do agree with you that late in the season, they did skew more towards two TE sets. My feeling at the time was this was hurting Kupp, but your question got me to look a little deeper. Let's look at those late season games, as well as some other games they went heavy with two TE's.
Here is a week by week look at games Rams used two TE's:
1- 7%
2-8%
3-2%
4--4%
5- 43%
6- 14%
7- 23%
8- 2%
10- 6%
11-76%
12- 3%
13-32%
14-76%
15-4%
16-44%
17- 43%
So we can see they did go more two TE heavy late but it was sporadic, that 4% in week 15 is not a typo.
So a few points I'd draw from this data, some of which I'm making assumptions that may not be true.
1. Two TE sets were on the rise, but again sporadic, and not more then 50% except for two weeks and one of those weeks were were forced, which was week 11. Could make a case if Everett was fully healthy they'd have done it more but they actually started picking up heavy two TE usage in week 11, which is the week I think he got nicked up. If anything looking at this data is seems they wanted to go two TE more when Mundt was the second TE, as I believe he's a superior blocker to Higbee and Everett.
2. We only had one of those games that Cooks missed they went heavy two TE sets which was week 11 but that is complicated to use because that's the week Woods missed which forced their hand into two TE sets. In that game Kupp and Reynolds played over 95% of the snaps because they basically had no other choice. So to your point it's true that they had no games that Woods, Kupp and Reynolds were healthy, but Cooks was out, and they were not running two TE at least 40% of the time. But let's look at what happened in those games that all 4 WR's were healthy.
Week 5 which was 43% two TE sets. Woods was the lone WR seemingly unchanged, running 93% of the snaps. Kupp and Cooks both took big hits to their snap counts from previous 4 weeks. Kupp had been averaging 94% snap counts and went to 67% in that game. Cooks had averaged 92% and went down to 64%. Surprisingly Reynolds went up that game from 19.5% to 40%. So it seemed to be more or a less of a rotation among all WR's not named Woods.
Week 11 we already covered. Cooks and Woods was out so Reynolds and Kupp basically had to be every down players.
Week 14, the only other week they went past 50% on two TE usage. Again we have Woods seemingly untouched at 99% of the snap count. And again similar to week 5 we actually saw a rise in Reynolds snaps when they go more two TE. With all 4 WR's healthy he got 66% of the snaps(but no targets and strangely 3 carries). Kupp and Cooks were the two that got crushed, with Kupp dropping to season low 29% of the snaps and Cooks to 39%.
Week 16 and 17 basically show the same thing- 43-44% two TE usage, Woods absolutely unimpacted getting almost every single snap, Kupp and Cooks both down in 60% snap count area, Reynolds in the 40% range.
You may draw a different conclusion then me but here is the conclusion I draw on the entire Rams WR corp, before of course factoring in who they might add later.
1. Woods is the WR you want to own in 2020
2. Kupp is the one that is most impacted by the two TE sets. In the 6 games they used two TE sets 20% or more he played 58% of the snaps if you don't count week 11 when he had to play every down. If you look at it from more two TE heavy usage of 40% of more in each game, which is closer to how they finished the year, he's running 54.5%. Comparatively speaking he was at a 94% snap count the games they went two TE less then 20% of the time,
3. Hard to get a handle on Reynolds but they seemed to like to use him more when they went two TE and Cooks was healthy. I still believe after reviewing all of this that barring an addition that takes his role that Reynolds is the prime player to benefit from Cooks leaving, but saying that I'm not stumping for him because I don't think the upside is much and I'm guessing based on this data he's more in the 60-70% range on snaps.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Sorry I know this thread is about Gerald Everett, I just wanted to add some data in regards to Josh Reynolds.
Game 8 Brandin Cooks only played on 3 offensive snaps. He missed the next two games.
In those 3 games Cooks missed Reynolds played on 88% 95% and 94% of the offensive snaps in Cooks absence.
Reynolds averaged 2.6 targets per game for the season, but had 6.3 targets in the 3 games where Cooks was out, 44% of Reynolds total targets came in those 3 weeks.
Reynolds has a poor catch rate compared to Cooks in presumably very similar role, 10% worse last season and only 50% for his career.
I don't see a connection between the playing time of the WR being less because of the Rams using 2 TE aside from a couple of games.
For the last 5 weeks of the season Higbee played at least 86% of the snaps while Gerald Everett's snaps declined after game 9.Johnny Mundt did play 70% of the snaps week 14 and then 44% and 41% in the last 2 games of the season.
Looking at just those 3 weeks and snap counts it seemed to reduce snaps for Cooper Kupp more than Woods and Reynolds who look like they split time after Cooks came back from injury. Woods snap counts were not affected at all.
Game 8 Brandin Cooks only played on 3 offensive snaps. He missed the next two games.
In those 3 games Cooks missed Reynolds played on 88% 95% and 94% of the offensive snaps in Cooks absence.
Reynolds averaged 2.6 targets per game for the season, but had 6.3 targets in the 3 games where Cooks was out, 44% of Reynolds total targets came in those 3 weeks.
Reynolds has a poor catch rate compared to Cooks in presumably very similar role, 10% worse last season and only 50% for his career.
I don't see a connection between the playing time of the WR being less because of the Rams using 2 TE aside from a couple of games.
For the last 5 weeks of the season Higbee played at least 86% of the snaps while Gerald Everett's snaps declined after game 9.Johnny Mundt did play 70% of the snaps week 14 and then 44% and 41% in the last 2 games of the season.
Looking at just those 3 weeks and snap counts it seemed to reduce snaps for Cooper Kupp more than Woods and Reynolds who look like they split time after Cooks came back from injury. Woods snap counts were not affected at all.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Seems weird that they would draft Everett’s replacement going into the final year of his deal and then refuse to entertain trade offers. I’m sure they just aren’t being offered enough to be worth it.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
They'll get a comp pick at the end of the year when he's gone (which given their cap situation.....almost a certainty of that).
Don't think there's a chance he's dealt now unless they get an offer they absolutely can't refuse. Would have happened at the draft earlier this year IMO......in a really weak TE draft.
If he's able to stay healthy this year, he'll be in line for a big payday
The Frankman
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rockaction
Footballguy
Everett looks great -- athletic and fluid as all get out -- and then he does something like fumble like he did last week. Was happy to see the Rams going back to him when the game was still in the balance. A good day for Everett, but I doubt anybody started him.
RealReactions
Footballguy
Forced between him and and Irv smith Jr this week with Wallers bye. Rams have a better offense but play a harder defense. I'm most likely biting the bullet and plugging him in. I have 0 confidence in Minnesota
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Also plugging in Everett during Waller’s bye. I had thought by now that Mo Alie-Cox would be that bye week fill-in for me but he wasn’t startable anymore even before it came out he wasn’t playing this week. So I had to deal Gus Edwards for Everett to fill the hole in my lineup.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I don't have any great comps for Everett (really nice combination of physical tools, good NCAA production solid draft capital, but somewhat undersized). Engram is probably closest, but is even smaller. Jared Cook maybe, but with a completely different build. Wouldn't be shocked to see Engram put up some low-end/borderline TE1 seasons.
Great QB, 3rd receiving target role is wide open, and coaches seem legit excited about him.
11-12ppg in TE favored leagues is good for TE12-20 and I think that seems about right. No one will have him as their TE1 on purpose, but as a deep-league flex, TE2 or best ball option he should be money.
Great QB, 3rd receiving target role is wide open, and coaches seem legit excited about him.
11-12ppg in TE favored leagues is good for TE12-20 and I think that seems about right. No one will have him as their TE1 on purpose, but as a deep-league flex, TE2 or best ball option he should be money.
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Biabreakable
Footballguy
While only a 1 year contract $6 million does seem like a fairly strong commitment. It is slightly higher than the $5 million average for a starting TE right now.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Hate to share my personal story, but my TE's in TE-premium over the past four years are at once a mess and promising. Higbee, Everett, and Trautman all enter 2021 with an upgraded situation. And I'm still holding Hurst and Tremble.
Anyway, Everett could shine in 2021. What portion of Russell Wilson prod does this guy get?
I'll see y'all in the 2021 weekly WDIS threads.
Anyway, Everett could shine in 2021. What portion of Russell Wilson prod does this guy get?
I'll see y'all in the 2021 weekly WDIS threads.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
24-251-2
23-262-4
29-269-3
These are the no name droids who led the Seahawks at that position since Jimmy Graham took his talents to Green Bay. These are not the tight ends you are looking for.
You can build a decent narrative around why Evererett will outperform his TE20 ADP. He’s free, go get him. But Russ’s Jedi mastery of utilizing his TEs is probably not the story.
Seattle is always always always a low volume offense and their starting WRs are high snap count, high volume guys. The new OC was McVay’s passing gave coordinator & he wanted Everett. They will see a slight uptick in PA and pace. Gerald should see career highs across the board. But the opportunity for market share is limited and last time I checked Will Dissly ain’t dead yet.
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I think that's a little bit of a disingenuous of an analysis because over the last couple of years RW was just getting used to go a guy and he would get hurt. That position has been a turnstyle for them.
I will admit it's not a clear cut situation but as a later round pick i like the upside.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
very good point, Wilson, Hollister, Dissly (probably 1-2 more)
but like I said, he’s free, go get him late round, easy cut if it doesn’t work out, gravy if he’s any good
LAR always have their TEs blocking 20%+ of the time and Eskridge will be soaking up slot snaps, so I guess I just don’t think Everett see many routes run.
HOWEVER, last year’s triumvirate had 458 routes run - 6th most TE routes run. Split 3 ways and low volume but you might be on to something.
All true
All three of those guys held value when they were healthy though. I rode Dissly for a 3-4 game stretch where he was putting up pretty good numbers in 2019. Saved my season!
